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Buying Silver At $100 And The Rebirth Of Counterfeiting
TMO ^ | 1-20-13 | Dr Jeff Lewis

Posted on 01/20/2013 6:30:10 AM PST by blam

Buying Silver At $100 And The Rebirth Of Counterfeiting

Commodities / Gold and Silver 2013
January 19,2013
By: Dr Jeff Lewis

The debate about buying silver rounds, “junk silver” or silver Eagles goes on and on.

Although better prices may be available on silver rounds, investors continue to worry about the “China scare” and rumors of counterfeit silver coins.

Also, the confiscation* of fiat money purchasing power via inflation will happen long before counterfeit makes an impact, so getting more metal for the money makes the most sense at this time.

*(Confiscation of actual metal is separate issue we cover elsewhere).

Silver Eagles Gain Popularity

As a result, more investors seem to leaning towards buying silver Eagles and old, pre 1965, circulated or “junk” silver coins.

While nothing is wrong with silver Eagles, it does take longer and longer to realize the intended return on investment. Furthermore, you do not necessarily get the premium back if and when you decided to trade or sell your coin(s).

Sadly, one of the more bullish reasons for increased investment demand is the growing lack of confidence in the U.S. Dollar, which could actually taint the image of U.S. Dollar denominated silver Eagles.

When it comes to money and wealth, people tend to figure it out, especially when scarcity becomes an issue.

The Recognition Factor

Fears of counterfeit coins are not completely unfounded, but fakes are not that common.

It is also very difficult and expensive to pull fakes off with 0.999 percent silver, and even harder with old circulated silver coins. Even with gold, it is very rare to discover good fake coins, and both of these metals are rare to begin with.

While it may not be that big a threat in the silver market now, when silver tops $100 per ounce, many investors are concerned that generic rounds may become less accepted due to the higher counterfeit risk.

The Counterfeit Trigger

So, what price could trigger a wave of counterfeit coins? The $100 level will probably not be enough of a tipping point to make sufficient money from counterfeiting to justify the expense and risk.

Although based on the way silver has moved in this bull market, the $100 level could be a test and the market could easily see a deep, 50 percent correction from that point before retesting it.

Maybe double or triple that price would prompt further silver coin counterfeiting, but even then, it is not an easy process. Besides, insufficient time to ramp up production would be a limiting factor, whether the silver is melt, mined or counterfeit.

This scenario is like a big earthquake that could hit at any minute. The situation where you have one commercial trader holding a massive percentage of the net short position in a commodity is so bizarre.

It will probably depend on who shows up on the short side as the market moves higher — even beyond the $50 level. If the large silver shorts eventually cover in a panic, the price could easily overshoot considerably.

At least the debate is not about the silver ETF.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coins; counterfeiting; currency; siklver
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1 posted on 01/20/2013 6:30:23 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

If Americans were permitted to print their own money it would be worth as much as that being regurgitated by edict of the FED.


2 posted on 01/20/2013 6:34:30 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: blam
Gold...Buy The Dips

"Jim Rogers, billionaire and cofounder of the Soros Quantum Fund, publicly stated two months ago that he plans to “sell federal debt and purchase more gold and silver.”

3 posted on 01/20/2013 6:44:28 AM PST by blam
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To: IbJensen
If Americans were permitted to print their own money it would be worth as much as that being regurgitated by edict of the FED.

A point often missed.

The difference between you and me is that if we print counterfeit money we go to jail. When the Fed does it, nobody goes to jail. The economic consequences, however, are identical.

4 posted on 01/20/2013 6:45:40 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: blam

silver typically trades 40-60 : 1 on gold (currently 53:1)

if silver were to trade at $100/oz... that would put gold around $4000-6000/oz (let’s say $5,300/oz at today’s ratio)

this would be about a 215% jump in gold price... which would mean:

* gas would move from $3.40/gal to $10.71/gal
* bread would move from about $2.99/loaf to $9.42/loaf
* deli roast beef would go from $8.99/lb to $28.31/lb

pretty much exactly what 0bama and the commies on the left have been pushing for over the passed few decades.


5 posted on 01/20/2013 6:51:00 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: blam

“While nothing is wrong with silver Eagles, it does take longer and longer to realize the intended return on investment. Furthermore, you do not necessarily get the premium back if and when you decided to trade or sell your coin(s).”

I buy Morgans not as an investment but as a means of having something easily converted into dollars and as a means of a hedge against the inflated Fed notes.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 6:51:51 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: InterceptPoint

Walter Williams said that if a person is arrested for printing money, he should claim he was merely engaging in monetary policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoS52fVtVQM


7 posted on 01/20/2013 6:53:33 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: blam

If counterfeiting of coins is a problem and if there is a premium that is not redeamable on selling, why not just buy silver?

Silver can be purchased fine .9999 or sterling .925 from lots of places. The Navajo silver smiths literally stand in line to purchase small quantities of various thickness, widths and lengths of silver sheet in the Gallop New Mexico supply houses. These suppliers also sell casting grain, BB size pellets that can be weighed out in very small quantities.

The same shops also purchase silver. The scrap left over after fabricating is saved and returned. It is graded depending on if it is pure or contains solder or other such impurities.

The trade in silver is very active in the southwest


8 posted on 01/20/2013 7:05:14 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: count-your-change
Going in a few minutes to look at these:

Bulk Silver SALE - $26 (Summerdale)


9 posted on 01/20/2013 7:05:34 AM PST by blam
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I’m not buying silver as an “investment” to hopefully be converted back into more worthless paper dollars than I paid for it. I’m buying it as insurance so that when I need to buy a chicken at some point in the future I’ll have something of value to trade!


10 posted on 01/20/2013 7:05:34 AM PST by 762X51
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To: 762X51
"I’m buying it as insurance so that when I need to buy a chicken at some point in the future I’ll have something of value to trade!"

I like scrap silver coins because everyone recognizes them without suspicion, etc.

Insurance, insurance...not investing.

11 posted on 01/20/2013 7:10:50 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Why Buy Silver, I am saving up for some Platinum, if I can make the coin right I will be richer than bill Gates after I make a Treelion Dollar Platinum coin!

One, Treee-Lee-Ion Dollars, Mwahahahah!!!

12 posted on 01/20/2013 7:30:21 AM PST by GraceG
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To: blam
“precious” metals are where we find them. I've made good money from gathering up old lawn furniture and t.v. antennas to be sold for the scrap aluminum in them.
13 posted on 01/20/2013 7:33:49 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: InterceptPoint
The difference between you and me is that if we print counterfeit money we go to jail. When the Fed does it, nobody goes to jail.

The difference is the Fed doesn't print counterfeit money

14 posted on 01/20/2013 7:37:46 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: blam

$6.50 for one silver quarter? 26 times the value. The cost of a 15K house in 1964 should cost $ 390,000 today. No wonder economist say housing is cheap.

Or price of silver is a bubble. My guess would be silver is priced right.


15 posted on 01/20/2013 7:43:34 AM PST by Orange1998 (DO NOT PRESS CTRL W)
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To: blam

Sigh: I still remember when silver was REAL MONEY! In Utah my dad got paid in REAL SILVER DOLLARS!

Even the paper money had the words...”Pay to the bearer on demand, in SILVER,.....”

Anyone remember when GOLD was real money?

Anyone remember when the SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES declared GOLD and SILVER the ONLY legal tender in the US?


16 posted on 01/20/2013 7:47:47 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: 762X51

I’m buying it as insurance <<<<<

BINGO!...We have a winner!!!


17 posted on 01/20/2013 7:51:53 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: blam

FYI, silver coins are not pure silver. IIRC, a quarter has about .18oz, not .25, so that’s not $26 an oz, more like 33. Still, ot a bad deal though.


18 posted on 01/20/2013 8:23:52 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: blam

How did you arrrive at 6.50?

http://www.coininfo.com/

Shows about 5.75 as current price


19 posted on 01/20/2013 8:28:05 AM PST by Manta (Obama to issue executive order repealing laws of physics)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Dear "El Cid?" - Your post caused me to go back to read that most famous campaign speech of William Jennings Bryan, his "Cross of Gold" given at the Democrat Convention in 1896. While this appeal to the then burning issue of 'bimetallism' (silver AND gold as reserve metals), this bit earlier in this speech reminds us that the appeal to class warfare and 'fairness' has a very long history in the Democrat Party;

Upon the side of the idle holders of idle capital, or upon the side of the struggling masses? That is the question that the party must answer first; and then it must be answered by each individual hereafter. The sympathies of the Democratic Party, as described by the platform, are on the side of the struggling masses, who have ever been the foundation of the Democratic Party.

20 posted on 01/20/2013 8:32:38 AM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence but it is the road to our ruin!)
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