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What's missing in U.S. gun control scramble? Bullets
Reuters ^ | January 20, 2013 | Peter Henderson and Daniel Trotta

Posted on 01/20/2013 7:50:05 AM PST by stevie_d_64

SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK (Reuters) - In tracking down illegal weapons, the smoking gun may not be a gun at all.

Bullets are one thing Sacramento Police Detective Greg Halstead can count on to root out weapons that otherwise would be impossible to find. They are also largely missing from the gun control debate in Washington.

Since 2008, California's capital has required ammunition dealers to take names and thumbprints of bullet buyers. They send the information electronically to police computers, which compare the names to an FBI criminal database.

Halstead begins his day looking at a list of buyers, picking out the ones who aren't supposed to own ammunition - or guns. The thumbprint left by each prohibited buyer is nearly perfect evidence of crime.

"The ammunition case is a slam-dunk solid," said Halstead, who regularly turns up illegal guns at homes he otherwise would have no reason to search. Some 154 felony convictions and 92 misdemeanor convictions have resulted so far.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; nra; obama; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Wheel weights are also good.

I've shot straight wheel weight cast bullets from a .41mag with little to no leading problems.

21 posted on 01/20/2013 8:23:20 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Gaffer

Spending $500 bucks now if better than giving the govt your fingerprint later.

22 posted on 01/20/2013 8:30:19 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

After centuries of trying, the alchemist’s dream may come true: lead will be the new gold.

23 posted on 01/20/2013 8:32:38 AM PST by pingman (ust)
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To: pingman
Yes indeed it will, and people better wake up to that fact before it's too late.
24 posted on 01/20/2013 8:41:59 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

I think wheel weights are now being made with zinc and lead.

Probably for epa/lead problems.

Sure messes up a pot of lead.

25 posted on 01/20/2013 8:54:08 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Gaffer

Yes, for state and federal. C/LEO for 28 yrs and that phrase has worked on many a young person, compliance in and out.

26 posted on 01/20/2013 8:56:53 AM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: IMR 4350

Do you remember how many rounds and what caliber the feds bought up last year. Apparently they got all surplus on hand and is probably the reason .223 is over 100% more expensive if you can find it.

27 posted on 01/20/2013 8:59:35 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Scrambler Bob

I haven’t done any casting myself for several years now. Still have my molds and getting ready to buy some more for different cal.

As far as I know, here in Texas the WW haven’t changed since a lot of people still use straight WW for cast bullets.

28 posted on 01/20/2013 9:05:55 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Wheel weights too. I still have a big can of them from when I worked at gas stations in high school.

29 posted on 01/20/2013 9:11:51 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: stevie_d_64

The herd in the Republic of California needs to be thinned. Apparently AIDS didn’t do its job on all the queers living there. The patriots in CA need to ban together and start fighting this evil.

30 posted on 01/20/2013 9:21:37 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: Tail Gunner John
I don't shoot the .223, but for the last 4 years anytime there was .223 for sale at a gun show people were buying it as fast as they could.

Private citizens have been stockpiling, and not just .223 but everything, because they knew the day was coming.

Us “gun nuts” have been proved right and it's just a matter of time before us “SHTF nuts” are also proved right.

The day is coming.

Those of us with the beans and bullets will soon be laughing at those without.

31 posted on 01/20/2013 9:26:23 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Cboldt
Or ammunition. And they know it. Federal offense. 18 USC 922(g)

When we were applying for our FFL license last summer, the feds found a 39 year old felony on my husband. This drug felony was to be purged from his records upon completion of his sentencing, community service and probation). The state legislature, Washington state, 9 years later overturned all purged felonies for rapists, murderers and drug convictions, needless to say they made my husband a felon 9 years after he was cleared.

It obviously came up in the FFL background check. The ATF agent working on our license said that until we got this cleared up with the state, if the feds were to come to our home and we had any guns, collectors or otherwise, any ammunition or spent shells anywhere on our land, 80 acres, they would throw my husband in jail.

32 posted on 01/20/2013 9:35:10 AM PST by thirst4truth (
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To: Tail Gunner John

.40cal HP was the predominant caliber, but there were others, too:

Lots of articles, here:

33 posted on 01/20/2013 10:05:31 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: IMR 4350
anyone interested in casting bullets should look at:

34 posted on 01/20/2013 10:40:50 AM PST by Taylor42
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To: Tench_Coxe

Registration in city of Sacramento only.

35 posted on 01/20/2013 12:11:50 PM PST by Longbow
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Then there is plumber’s lead and lead solder.

Pure lead "smears" and solder has tin in it to promote adhesion of the solder to other metals (it "wets" the surface). However some tin is desirable in a bullet alloy, just avoid using solder as the only alloy in your bullets.

You can add antimony to lead and increase its hardness which will prevent undo smearing. The good news is that wheel weights (used to balance auto/truck tires) are an alloy of lead and antimony and are usually replaced with new when re-balancing your tires. The result is garages tend to wind up with bucket loads of them which aren't easy to get rid of because of the toxic lead. Look around and you'll probably find someone who will give you all you'll ever need.

You'll need to melt the wheel weights down in a cast iron pot to separate the alloy from the steel mounting clips which sink to the bottom. Before pouring off the alloy, skim off the dross which is the crud floating on the molten alloy, then pour the alloy into an ingot mold. You can make a mold from a short piece of angle iron with flat steel caps welded on the open ends of the angle iron. The end caps should be long enough to act as feet to hold the mold facing upward.

You should check reloading manuals for a good bullet alloy recipe. The basic ingredients being pure lead, wheel weights, and soft bar solider (typically 60/40 lead to tin ratio). The manual should give you information on the percentage of antimony to lead in the weights so you can calculate the proper amount of the ingot you made to add to the pure lead and bar solder to make bullet casting alloy.


36 posted on 01/20/2013 2:11:09 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I failed English. I meant ONLY rifles and shotguns could now be bought across state lines. Not handguns.

37 posted on 01/20/2013 3:43:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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