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What's missing in U.S. gun control scramble? Bullets
Reuters ^ | January 20, 2013 | Peter Henderson and Daniel Trotta

Posted on 01/20/2013 7:50:05 AM PST by stevie_d_64

SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK (Reuters) - In tracking down illegal weapons, the smoking gun may not be a gun at all.

Bullets are one thing Sacramento Police Detective Greg Halstead can count on to root out weapons that otherwise would be impossible to find. They are also largely missing from the gun control debate in Washington.

Since 2008, California's capital has required ammunition dealers to take names and thumbprints of bullet buyers. They send the information electronically to police computers, which compare the names to an FBI criminal database.

Halstead begins his day looking at a list of buyers, picking out the ones who aren't supposed to own ammunition - or guns. The thumbprint left by each prohibited buyer is nearly perfect evidence of crime.

"The ammunition case is a slam-dunk solid," said Halstead, who regularly turns up illegal guns at homes he otherwise would have no reason to search. Some 154 felony convictions and 92 misdemeanor convictions have resulted so far.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; nra; obama; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/20/2013 7:50:16 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: stevie_d_64

Well, there’s an admission that California is keeping a database of ammunition buyers. Any surprise that gun rights groups would be adamantly against universal background checks being proposed by the Obama administration?


2 posted on 01/20/2013 7:53:43 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe

This does nothing but to increase my resolve to buy even more ammunition on a regular cash-basis as long as that is still an option.

The author claims that this California ‘official’ thinks the lifetime of a bullet is only ‘days’ ......he could not be more wrong.


3 posted on 01/20/2013 7:57:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: stevie_d_64

Exactly! When somebody murders another person with a hammer, they always leave out the nails. When they kill someone with a baseball bat, they always leave out the baseballs. We need to start tracking hammer and baseball bat owners by checking into who is buying nails and baseballs.


4 posted on 01/20/2013 7:59:34 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (HealthCare IS NOT a right. The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

CA has;

Handgun registration
Will have long gun registration in 2014
All firearms sales must go thru a dealer
(some curio long guns exempt)
10 day waiting period
Approved handgun roster
10 round magazine limit

Basically a gun grabbers dream recipe.


5 posted on 01/20/2013 7:59:45 AM PST by umgud
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To: Tench_Coxe

CA has;

Handgun registration
Will have long gun registration in 2014
All firearms sales must go thru a dealer
(some curio long guns exempt)
10 day waiting period
Approved handgun roster
10 round magazine limit
AWB

Basically a gun grabbers dream recipe.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 8:00:07 AM PST by umgud
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To: stevie_d_64

“Since 2008....”

“Some 154 felony convictions and 92 misdemeanor convictions have resulted so far.”


OK, have no problem with the 143 felony convictions. Felons are not allowed to own weapons. BUT, that is a really small number for a state like CA for a 4 year time span. And what were the 92 misdemeanor convictions? Somehow I am not impressed. And remember this is from Reuters. (anti gun bias)


7 posted on 01/20/2013 8:00:51 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: stevie_d_64

There was a time when a man could go into any hardware store and buy four cartridges to go deer hunting. Then the 1968 Gun Control Act required record keeping of all ammo sold, so hardware stores began to require you to buy a full box.

You also could not buy handguns, rifles or shotguns across state lines.

Then in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan signed a new law that did away with the record keeping of ammo, and allowed you to buy rifles and shotguns only across state lines.


8 posted on 01/20/2013 8:04:02 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: stevie_d_64
"The ammunition case is a slam-dunk solid," said Halstead, who regularly turns up illegal guns at homes he otherwise would have no reason to search. Some 154 felony convictions and 92 misdemeanor convictions have resulted so far.

I can't tell for certain if the claim is that the thumbprint at purchase requirement has resulted in the 246 convictions. One suspects some Clintonian parsing here.

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9 posted on 01/20/2013 8:04:19 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: stevie_d_64

Years ago I used to reload bullets I dug out from an old military shooting range backstop. Many were still in good shape, only having rifling on them. Others were so damaged I melted them down and cast new bullets.

I still know where there are thousands of spent bullets in the ground. Then I also used lead lining from building insulation designed for noise suppression.

Then there is plumber’s lead and lead solder.


10 posted on 01/20/2013 8:07:50 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: stevie_d_64
The smart, thrifty gun and shooting enthusiast reloads his/her own. (Still looking for the her ) :-) Learn how. It is fun and gives you a sense of independence.
11 posted on 01/20/2013 8:07:50 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Gaffer
I have ammo in airtight boxes from 1970 that still works fine, besides if killing is the object, my prison career has taught me up close and personal with edged weapons is much easier and hard to track. They don't tell you the numbers of criminal that have been corrected by edged weapons in jails and prisons without finding the perpetrator, all they officially know is that they are contained in a certain area. FYI
12 posted on 01/20/2013 8:09:55 AM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: umgud

All that to get around the Public’s rejection of a handgun ban back in 1982. Remember Proposition 15?

I still remember the good old days when we were promised that the Government ONLY wanted to register handguns. Long guns would not be affected they said.


13 posted on 01/20/2013 8:11:16 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Gaffer
Hand load and you can save money too.
14 posted on 01/20/2013 8:14:03 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: stevie_d_64

Anyone remember years ago (1990s) when the FEDs seized several train car loads on Ammunition because it was made in China and forbidden in the US?

We saw lots of news reels on the seized cars on the MSM to the joy of the news reporters.

Anyone remember what happened to those car loads of ammo?

They looked at the head stamp, and Uh ho, it was legal Russian ammo. They had to give it all back.


15 posted on 01/20/2013 8:15:49 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And registration won’t lead to confiscation. Remember the SKS mandatory buyback?


16 posted on 01/20/2013 8:17:01 AM PST by umgud
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To: bdfromlv
my prison career has taught me up close and personal...

I used this with him, and now my son-in-law is practicing for the time when he'll have to tell his 3 daughters' prospective dates "I ain't got no problem going back to prision....." [BTW, I am assuming you are/were a guard....ha ha]

17 posted on 01/20/2013 8:17:51 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Texas Fossil
-- Felons are not allowed to own weapons. --

Or ammunition. And they know it. Federal offense. 18 USC 922(g)

(g) It shall be unlawful for any person--

(1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2) who is a fugitive from justice;

(3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); ...

to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

A few points. The courts have ruled that ANY possession affects commerce, so a product that never leaves one state is still properly an object for federal prohibition; and all you pot smokers out there, who possess arms or ammo, you are committing a federal felony.
18 posted on 01/20/2013 8:20:43 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Then in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan signed a new law that did away with the record keeping of ammo, and allowed you to buy rifles and shotguns only across state lines.

That's really inconventient, not to be able to buy a firearm from your local gun dealer.

19 posted on 01/20/2013 8:21:48 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - Rene "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: IMR 4350

This I realize...and while it could save money, I’ve decided I have too doggone many interests that cost me a lot of money.....guns, bayonets, fighting knives....leather holster making, gunsmithing (e.g., rebuilding Garands and Carbines - upgrading 1911s, et al)....I just can’t afford another full setup of stuff (I’m somewhat OCD on this - whenever I start up with something, I get the best of everything I think I’ll need)....


20 posted on 01/20/2013 8:22:06 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Wheel weights are also good.

I've shot straight wheel weight cast bullets from a .41mag with little to no leading problems.

21 posted on 01/20/2013 8:23:20 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Gaffer

Spending $500 bucks now if better than giving the govt your fingerprint later.


22 posted on 01/20/2013 8:30:19 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

After centuries of trying, the alchemist’s dream may come true: lead will be the new gold.


23 posted on 01/20/2013 8:32:38 AM PST by pingman (ust)
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To: pingman
Yes indeed it will, and people better wake up to that fact before it's too late.
24 posted on 01/20/2013 8:41:59 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

I think wheel weights are now being made with zinc and lead.

Probably for epa/lead problems.

Sure messes up a pot of lead.


25 posted on 01/20/2013 8:54:08 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Gaffer

Yes, for state and federal. C/LEO for 28 yrs and that phrase has worked on many a young person, compliance in and out.


26 posted on 01/20/2013 8:56:53 AM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: IMR 4350

Do you remember how many rounds and what caliber the feds bought up last year. Apparently they got all surplus on hand and is probably the reason .223 is over 100% more expensive if you can find it.


27 posted on 01/20/2013 8:59:35 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Scrambler Bob

I haven’t done any casting myself for several years now. Still have my molds and getting ready to buy some more for different cal.

As far as I know, here in Texas the WW haven’t changed since a lot of people still use straight WW for cast bullets.


28 posted on 01/20/2013 9:05:55 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Wheel weights too. I still have a big can of them from when I worked at gas stations in high school.


29 posted on 01/20/2013 9:11:51 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: stevie_d_64

The herd in the Republic of California needs to be thinned. Apparently AIDS didn’t do its job on all the queers living there. The patriots in CA need to ban together and start fighting this evil.


30 posted on 01/20/2013 9:21:37 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: Tail Gunner John
I don't shoot the .223, but for the last 4 years anytime there was .223 for sale at a gun show people were buying it as fast as they could.

Private citizens have been stockpiling, and not just .223 but everything, because they knew the day was coming.

Us “gun nuts” have been proved right and it's just a matter of time before us “SHTF nuts” are also proved right.

The day is coming.

Those of us with the beans and bullets will soon be laughing at those without.

31 posted on 01/20/2013 9:26:23 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Cboldt
Or ammunition. And they know it. Federal offense. 18 USC 922(g)

When we were applying for our FFL license last summer, the feds found a 39 year old felony on my husband. This drug felony was to be purged from his records upon completion of his sentencing, community service and probation). The state legislature, Washington state, 9 years later overturned all purged felonies for rapists, murderers and drug convictions, needless to say they made my husband a felon 9 years after he was cleared.

It obviously came up in the FFL background check. The ATF agent working on our license said that until we got this cleared up with the state, if the feds were to come to our home and we had any guns, collectors or otherwise, any ammunition or spent shells anywhere on our land, 80 acres, they would throw my husband in jail.

32 posted on 01/20/2013 9:35:10 AM PST by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Tail Gunner John

.40cal HP was the predominant caliber, but there were others, too:

http://theintelhub.com/2012/08/16/federal-government-ammo-buildup-social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-hollow-point-rounds/

Lots of articles, here:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=fed+govt+buys+ammunition&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest


33 posted on 01/20/2013 10:05:31 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: IMR 4350
anyone interested in casting bullets should look at:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forum.php

34 posted on 01/20/2013 10:40:50 AM PST by Taylor42
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To: Tench_Coxe

Registration in city of Sacramento only.


35 posted on 01/20/2013 12:11:50 PM PST by Longbow
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Then there is plumber’s lead and lead solder.

Pure lead "smears" and solder has tin in it to promote adhesion of the solder to other metals (it "wets" the surface). However some tin is desirable in a bullet alloy, just avoid using solder as the only alloy in your bullets.

You can add antimony to lead and increase its hardness which will prevent undo smearing. The good news is that wheel weights (used to balance auto/truck tires) are an alloy of lead and antimony and are usually replaced with new when re-balancing your tires. The result is garages tend to wind up with bucket loads of them which aren't easy to get rid of because of the toxic lead. Look around and you'll probably find someone who will give you all you'll ever need.

You'll need to melt the wheel weights down in a cast iron pot to separate the alloy from the steel mounting clips which sink to the bottom. Before pouring off the alloy, skim off the dross which is the crud floating on the molten alloy, then pour the alloy into an ingot mold. You can make a mold from a short piece of angle iron with flat steel caps welded on the open ends of the angle iron. The end caps should be long enough to act as feet to hold the mold facing upward.

You should check reloading manuals for a good bullet alloy recipe. The basic ingredients being pure lead, wheel weights, and soft bar solider (typically 60/40 lead to tin ratio). The manual should give you information on the percentage of antimony to lead in the weights so you can calculate the proper amount of the ingot you made to add to the pure lead and bar solder to make bullet casting alloy.

Regards,
GtG

36 posted on 01/20/2013 2:11:09 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I failed English. I meant ONLY rifles and shotguns could now be bought across state lines. Not handguns.


37 posted on 01/20/2013 3:43:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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