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‘Voice of the Pope’ backs Obama gun edicts
Examiner ^ | 1/20/13 | David Codrea

Posted on 01/20/2013 11:34:19 AM PST by Nachum

In an editorial aired yesterday on Vatican Radio, Fr. Federico Lombardi, director of the press office of the Holy See, called “initiatives announced by the United States government in view of limiting and controlling the diffusion and use of arms … a step in the right direction.

“Forty-seven religious leaders of various confessions and religions have issued a call to American politicians to limit firearms, which ‘are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths,’” Lombardi stated in his address. “I’m with them.”

While acknowledging “that arms, throughout the world, are also instruments for legitimate defense,” and even admitting “No one can be under the illusion that limiting their number and use would be enough to impede horrendous massacres in the future,” Lombardi nonetheless asserted “it is necessary to repeat tirelessly our calls for disarmament, to oppose the production, trade, and smuggling of arms of all types.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; guncontrol; obama; pope; secondamendment; voice
In case you were wondering
1 posted on 01/20/2013 11:34:34 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 01/20/2013 11:35:51 AM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Do not let the NRA hear that!


3 posted on 01/20/2013 11:36:20 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Nachum

Who cares? The Pope does not vote in America. He holds no office.

The Pope should be more worried about his church dwindling to nothing in Europe and leave politics in America to Americans.


4 posted on 01/20/2013 11:38:25 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: RitaOK

The Pope should not play with evil like that.


5 posted on 01/20/2013 11:39:06 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Nachum

Those who desire control always favor gun restrictions and the church has a long history of wanting control.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 11:39:42 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Nachum

It is really none of their business.

Christ did not carry a sword but we know two of his disciples did. We also know that Peter carried one as he used it to slice off the ear of one of the soldiers who came to arrest Christ.

It seems to have been something which Christ had no problem with nor did he demand they carry one. He did ask for swords from his disciples but that was just to carry out prophecy.


7 posted on 01/20/2013 11:44:22 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: txrefugee

please do read the article. It isn’t the Pope who said anything. It was a priest who spoke for himself.


8 posted on 01/20/2013 11:45:21 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: Nachum

Two things to consider: they get all their information about the US from our press; and Lombardi is an Italian leftist who has gotten the Pope into trouble several times by making statements that reflected his personal take on things and had nothing to do with the Pope.

I think the Pope was close to getting rid of him a couple if years ago, but for some reason (probably feeling there were more important battles) he didn’t.


9 posted on 01/20/2013 11:45:32 AM PST by livius
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To: Nachum
‘Voice of the Pope’ backs Obama gun edicts

Sounds more like the voice of the Evil One !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
10 posted on 01/20/2013 11:45:59 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: livius

Look for “pressure” coming from “conservative” Catholics to ask the Vatican to have Lombardi disciplined.


11 posted on 01/20/2013 11:52:45 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: livius

“Look for “pressure” coming from “conservative” Catholics to ask the Vatican to have Lombardi disciplined.”

Correction: Look for “pressure” coming from “conservative” American Catholics to ask the Vatican to have Lombardi disciplined.


12 posted on 01/20/2013 11:54:14 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Nachum

Is this the Mouth of the Pope?

13 posted on 01/20/2013 12:04:41 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Nachum
When he reins in his priests from chasing alterboys...
then maybe (non-Catholic) people will give him a little begrudged credibility...
14 posted on 01/20/2013 12:08:00 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Nachum
Are they thinking at all the innocent lives that have been saved because people were armed? Like that lady who saved her twin girls and herself when a bad guy broke into her house?

She was able to do so because she was armed for protection and security.

I don't get it. Or, maybe they don't get it.

15 posted on 01/20/2013 12:11:47 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: Nachum

The false profit and the anti-christ, who would have known?


16 posted on 01/20/2013 12:12:08 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: Nachum
The Catholic Church teaching is crystal clear:

In his Encyclical Letter from 1995, EVANGELIUM VITAE, Pope John Paul II writes:

"......Christian reflection has sought a fuller and deeper understanding of what God's commandment prohibits and prescribes. There are in fact situations in which values proposed by God's Law seem to involve a genuine paradox. This happens for example in the case of legitimate defense, in which the right to protect one's own life and the duty not to harm someone else's life are difficult to reconcile in practice. Certainly, the intrinsic value of life and the duty to love oneself no less than others are the basis of a true right to self-defense."

He goes on to say:

"...legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the State. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason."

Pope John Paul II knew exactly what happens when innocents are disarmed, having lived under both Nazism and communism. He did not believe in disarming citizens and neither does the Catholic Church, this spokesperson's personal opinion notwithstanding.

17 posted on 01/20/2013 12:17:58 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Nachum

I sent that to my Priest yesterday, I haven’t heard back yet doubt I ever do.

Catholics are having enough trouble with the Church today without stirring up American gun owners.

If they want empty pews, keep screwing around with America’s Freedoms.


18 posted on 01/20/2013 12:24:32 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Nachum

Another sell out from the vatican. I head a lot of big talk, but never seem to see big abortion guys like Cuomo, Pelosi, or the Kennedy’s excommunicated. They totally back the illegal mexican flood into the US, now they back gun control. They sure seem to have very little respect for the US Constitution or culture.


19 posted on 01/20/2013 12:29:14 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Saint Gabriel Possenti Society
20 posted on 01/20/2013 12:31:50 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DesertRhino

The Vatican isn’t about the individual and his rights. It is about fleecing the peons and trying to assert itself as supreme authority in their lives. That’s why the Vatican is so rich while so many of its faithful are so desperately poor.


21 posted on 01/20/2013 12:37:13 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Cronos

Baloney, he spoke for the pope, unless i hear the pope fire him, discipline him, or force him disavow his opinion from that of the pope’s.

Why?

“In an editorial aired yesterday on Vatican Radio, Fr. Federico Lombardi, director of the press office of the Holy See”

He is the Press office director of the Vatican. It’s a little far out to think that in a disciplined organization like that, in the position he holds, that he is out freelancing opinions -in editorials- that are in direct oppositon to those of the pope.
If he doesn’t release something fast saying “this was my opinion, and i was wrong” or “the pope supports the American freedoms that saved the Vatican and millions of catholics from the nazis”. Then i think it’s safe to assume the pope shares his opinion.


22 posted on 01/20/2013 12:40:23 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Nachum

Well, having read the FR Religion Forum, I can assure everyone of these things:

* the spokesman has been poorly catechized
* the spokesman does not speak for The Church
* the sources reporting this are lying
* y’all are just Catholic haters

That should clear up any confusion!


23 posted on 01/20/2013 12:42:25 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: bmwcyle

Good isn’t attracted to evil and never agrees with it; only evil is attracted to evil and agrees with it with no problem voicing it to the world - even when it’s none of his business.


24 posted on 01/20/2013 1:32:43 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Right on!


25 posted on 01/20/2013 1:37:15 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: DesertRhino

> Another sell out from the vatican. I head a lot of big
> talk, but never seem to see big abortion guys like Cuomo,
> Pelosi, or the Kennedy’s excommunicated. They totally back
> the illegal mexican flood into the US, now they back gun
> control. They sure seem to have very little respect for the
> US Constitution or culture.

One wonders if most Catholics voted for Hussein.


26 posted on 01/20/2013 2:12:31 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Nachum

OMG This exclusive from a “Vatican Insider”...Who said what ? This guys flapping his gums and probably votes socialist in Iti elections. He’s not even a pointy hat but I wonder which pointy hat over here he’s talking to, probably some Jesuit.

Pay no attention folks ...this really means nothing...


27 posted on 01/20/2013 4:24:58 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Should the "mechanic" from Chicago come out of retirement ?)
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To: Nachum

On opinion, plain and simple, and a European one, at that. It’s not a teaching of the Church.


28 posted on 01/20/2013 4:26:36 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: 45semi

Have you heard of any RECENT incidents of priests abusing altar boys? Probably not, because the Church put safeguards in place over ten years ago to keep it from happening again. There may still be stories of cases from years ago, but likely not many from recent years.


29 posted on 01/20/2013 4:37:08 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Nachum

I say if the Dems want to make millions of gun owners instant criminals with new gun laws, then the gloves are off. I got a new law to pass as well.

In the Cold War it was referred to as parallel escalation: All abortion classified as murder, and immediate termination of all planned parenthood abortion activities. “...if it will save just one life”

As well as the fact it is the right thing to do. In fact it will save 3000 lives a day, and the income tax those babies will produce will help pay for social security and Medicare in thirty years.


30 posted on 01/20/2013 5:29:52 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: SuziQ
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/08/us/in-pedophile-case-church-failed-to-stop-priest.html?pagewanted=all

"As recently as 2011, a bishop and Catholic officials in Kansas City, Mo., didn't act to prevent a priest from taking pornographic photographs of "

Just took one search...
31 posted on 01/20/2013 5:37:50 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Nachum

Swiss Guard weapons and armory
http://www.google.com/search?q=vatican+swiss+guard+weapons&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&ei=JZz8UOmlHYjo0gGIyoGYDQ&ved=0CDYQsAQ&biw=910&bih=428


32 posted on 01/20/2013 5:47:32 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: Nachum

too bad. but old school catholics (friends of mine) will tell you that their church has undergone a decades long leftist subversion, leaving people like this in postions of power. it’s going to take a while for these people to wash out.


33 posted on 01/20/2013 6:49:36 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Nachum

That’s no surprise, especially while renegade Romans in the USA have established disproportionate numbers in politics and are pushing to disarm Americans.


34 posted on 01/20/2013 6:58:01 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: txrefugee

What else would any one expect ? Of course the Pope has to endorse the second coming of ……..even so only socialists are dumb enough to believe it.


35 posted on 01/20/2013 8:16:01 PM PST by saintgermaine
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To: 45semi
Yep, Bishop Finn acted stupidly, but this isn't a situation that went on for years with the Bishop covering for him. Finn made the same mistake too many other Bishops made. He didn't take it seriously enough, thinking the priest was just looking at pornography, and didn't involve actual contact with children.

Thankfully, others were more diligent; the priest was suspected by teachers, and turned in by a fellow priest, so the system that was put in place worked, and Ratigan got what was coming to him.

36 posted on 01/20/2013 9:03:06 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Nachum

There goes the Ctholic Church again - straying away from the one goal it should have and meddling in areas that show how humanly fallible the “leaders” of it are.


37 posted on 01/21/2013 3:22:31 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: dadfly

Give this conservative Pope credit, he is appointing much more conservative bishops. That is a start.


38 posted on 01/21/2013 3:27:23 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Nachum; Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for the ping. Too late and too little time for the party on your thread, but there's this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2979898/posts?page=118#118

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2979898/posts?page=131#131

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2979898/posts?page=134#134

Vatican also aligned with another position of the American Left:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pope+abbas+image&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=pope+abbas+image&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=

39 posted on 01/21/2013 11:46:34 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Biggirl

yup. i really like this pope.


40 posted on 01/22/2013 12:04:34 AM PST by dadfly
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Note: this topic is from 1/20/2013. Thanks Nachum.

41 posted on 04/07/2013 8:50:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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