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Obama Admin Rebranding Healthcare 'Exchanges' as 'Marketplaces'
Breitbart ^ | 1/20/13 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 01/20/2013 11:42:42 AM PST by Nachum

Democrats understand that when they are losing a political fight, their best move is to change the political lexicon. When progressivism fails, they become liberals; when liberalism fails, they become progressives. Now they’re using that rhetorical trickery to try to save the wildly unpopular centerpiece of President Obama’s first term: Obamacare.

Obamacare sets up what were originally termed state health care “exchanges.” These “exchanges” were supposedly set up to pool risk between health care insurance companies. Of course, if the market saw a benefit in such pooling, it would have done so already. In fact, many insurance companies already pool risks to broaden their enrollment.

But pooling risk isn’t the Obama administration’s real agenda. Actually, the exchanges are meant to pay insurance companies to implement Obamacare. In order to qualify for the exchanges, insurance companies can only charge certain prices and must cover certain services. But that means that the government – i.e. taxpayers – must subsidize the exchanges to make them work. If states refuse to set up the Obamacare exchanges, the federal government is supposed to set up its own exchanges, making that cost federal.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: exchanges; marketplaces; obamacare; rebranding; singlepayor; stateexchange; statemarketplace
That makes perfect sense. Socialism is really capitalism. War is peace. Chastity is...
1 posted on 01/20/2013 11:42:57 AM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 01/20/2013 11:43:55 AM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

LOL...what kind of “market” thrives under Big Government edicts? The Black Market, of course. Just ask those who have survived Marxism everywhere it’s failed.


3 posted on 01/20/2013 11:46:12 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Nachum
Obama's running dog lackeys imagine they can outsmart the 'reinsurers' ~ but they can't.

There are half a dozen of these companies who insure insurance companies of all types ~ they spread risk. The retail marketing arm of the industry are the insurers of all types that are quite public about what they do. These guys are different.

For most off their history they've been headquartered in Indianapolis. They have the most interesting annual reports ~ barely room on the pages for the numbers they deal with.

What will happen with the state pools is they will necessarily buy reinsurance insurance and fall into the clutches of the reinsurance industry.

That cycle will never end, and Congress will never need to do anything about it.

It continues to be highly unlikely that witch Sebelius will get a handle on health care such that she can kill all those she finds unnecessary to her new world order.

4 posted on 01/20/2013 11:53:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I respectfully disagree.

The Obamatrons know full well how insurance works and what they are doing it. This is only a “phase” until they can successfully collapse the private market and install a single payer system.


5 posted on 01/20/2013 11:57:15 AM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

lolz

they think changing the name will fix everything

that is how superficial and stupid they think we all are


6 posted on 01/20/2013 11:57:47 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Nachum
Pure unadulterated commiespeak. Dank little offices where petty bureaucrats dole out the socialized medicine version of a lone greasy sausage hanging in a soviet era food market is now being sold to America as the equivalent of the vibrant engine of a free market economy. Obama and his fellow travellers are stuck in marxist amber.
7 posted on 01/20/2013 11:57:47 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Nachum
Obama Admin Rebranding Healthcare 'Exchanges' as 'Marketplaces'

That's where people will be bringing the dead who were put on Obomas death panels "out" list.
All those corpses are going to have to go somewhere, right?

8 posted on 01/20/2013 11:58:53 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Nachum

“Exchanges” sounds like the return counter at Target. Probably everyone was asking for when the exchanges would be available to exchange Obamacare for something better.


9 posted on 01/20/2013 12:01:39 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Nachum

It is my understanding (and I can be wrong but I do not think I am) that by changing the name to “Marketplaces” all states that have any laws concerning “exchanges” now do not mean any thing. So all states will have to re-vote on a new bill or amend the language of the old bill....That being said, the left will just keep pushing until one day more democrats are in state offices to pass this or the states miss the fact that they need to adjust fast or be subject to the new rules.


10 posted on 01/20/2013 12:08:08 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Nachum
Yes, we know it's a crap sandwich but we've renamed it a Deluxe Sirloin Burger Supreme.

yum-yum

11 posted on 01/20/2013 12:10:52 PM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: concerned about politics
Obomas death panels

They'll be called 'life' panels now.

12 posted on 01/20/2013 12:18:40 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: muawiyah
Obama's running dog lackeys imagine they can outsmart the 'reinsurers' ~ but they can't.

Adam Smith's invisible hand is swifter and smarter that the clay-foot dims

That's why dims and islamics unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand.

13 posted on 01/20/2013 12:19:06 PM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Nachum

No, a ‘marketplace’ really isn’t a capitialist idea; it’s a government shower (ala the Auschwitz era)


14 posted on 01/20/2013 12:21:17 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Libloather
Obomas death panels

Google "Liverpool Pathway Controversy" to get an idea of how it works in UK.

Doctors who remember their Hippocratic oath prescribing water to prevent forced de-hydration of patients both young and old.

15 posted on 01/20/2013 12:22:35 PM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Nachum

Commies...no, progressives...no, liberals, no, democrats...government run exchanges...no, insurance policies, no, state exchanges, no, marketplaces...WTH?


16 posted on 01/20/2013 12:25:38 PM PST by Ms. Blunt
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To: Nachum
Democrats understand that when they are losing a political fight, their best move is to change the political lexicon.

They get it. Those on our side don't.

We are in for a long battle.

17 posted on 01/20/2013 12:27:28 PM PST by FatherFig1o155 (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.)
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To: Nachum; All
I can find NOTHING in ACA/Obamacare which would prohibit the States or individual companies, from just keeping what plans they have now, and I see nothing to prevent those companies from even selling NEW PLANS not in any “exchange”-—

The only problem is the “individual penalty” but I am guessing we can force “WAIVERS” on that issue, by the time it becomes a real burden (not for a few years)

In other words:

SET UP YOUR FEDERAL EXCHANGES OBAMA, in the States that do not set up their own “Exchange” but -—

We are not really compelled to stop doing business with the plans we have now!

18 posted on 01/20/2013 12:30:43 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Nachum

The states that have refused to set up the 0-care state exchanges must recognize that there will be an insurance coverage vacuum. In 2014, it is likely that employers will massively shed employees from their employer sponsored pans and pay the fine (likely required), or get below 50 employees for medium and small businesses.
In the non 0-care states, non-covered individuals may still be required to pay the tax-fine (TBD) if they don’t get their own high priced insurance in the individual market.
In the meantime, these conservative states need to set up their own real healthcare marketplaces based on real free market principles. In ths vacuum, they need to pass legislation that permits insurance companies to set up plans tailored to the consumer. That includes high deductible plans, limited benefits plans and plans w/o all the coverage mandated by 0-care. Bring in insurance executives and ask them to design free market individual and group plans. Permit insurance companies companies to continue rate risk and deny pre-existing disease coverage for individual plans. Menu pricing should also be required. We also need to rigorously explore the legality of some of the healthcare ministry exemptions.
Of course, we all know that many if these plans will not sufficiently comply with the HHS standards and 0-care. However, patients could still get adequate insurance coverage to meet their needs which even with the 0-care mandate tax, might be cheaper that purchasing HHS mandated insurance.
Inevitably, the Left will challenge these state laws on court, but that would take time and these plans could be shown to superior to the budget busting state exchange plans in the blue states.
If nothing is proposed by conservatives, this vacuum will be filled by the Left. They are starting right now by changing their nomenclature. Just wait, when we hear all the sob stories about middle class folks losing their insurance and “regular” people not being able to see the doctor, we will have the predictable cries for single payor, more Medicaid, and state exchanges. If nothing is done, we will be on the defensive again and lose.


19 posted on 01/20/2013 12:42:04 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; an EMP confined to DC would be much appreciated)
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To: Nachum
Terminal alcoholics, cocaine addicts, heroin injectors and people of that sort ~ not likely to really understand insurance enough to figure out the reinsurance business.

Obama hasn't been all that lucky in his ability to attract talent ~ there ain't any at the top in that crowd.

20 posted on 01/20/2013 12:48:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: grumpygresh
The states that have refused to set up the 0-care state exchanges must recognize that there will be an insurance coverage vacuum

The law of unintended consequences will work here. In states with no exchanges, there will also be no wage and price controls. Freedom allows innovation in an open marketplace.

We cannot imagine how the claims will be paid to work around Obamatron-care, but it will be, without having to resort to a black market at all. Just as business is flocking to right to work states, medical innovation will flock to those states which provide fertile ground for it to grow.

21 posted on 01/20/2013 1:00:52 PM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

” In states with no exchanges, there will also be no wage and price controls. Freedom allows innovation in an open marketplace.”

The conservative states should do what they can to preserve insurance options and the right not to purchase insurance. We all know that the Left will pine away for single payor when employers drop coverage in these states. We need to anticipate the situation and get in front of the issue.

By having insurance executives openly discuss free market insurance plans, we can prevent the Left from co-opting these executives. If health insurance executives perceive that the exchanges are inevitable, they will side will the Left. The media will pick up on this and the insurance execs (and their companies) will lobby the rinos to get the state exchanges through.


22 posted on 01/20/2013 1:25:03 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: Nachum

In a free market economy, the government doesn’t run “marketplaces”. This too shall fail.


23 posted on 01/20/2013 1:27:42 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Nachum
Rebranding...

like trying to change the name of Food Stamps to *SNAP. Isn't that snappy? I'm not on Food Stamps, I get SNAP. All of a sudden I'm not a low-information voter 'cause I got SNAP.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program

24 posted on 01/20/2013 3:28:18 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Nachum

The Obamacare Exchange is not for buying health insurance and its not a marketplace.

This sweeping bill imposes an IT superstructure. It hooks states up to a a national database of all your private data (the Federal Data Services Hub) for the purpose of:

tracking your insurance status,
imposing penalties under individual and employer mandate,
forcing people into government health (including the middle class through subsidized policies) and
imposing national health care.

The “Exchange” is not a marketplace. It’s a federal website (”state” in name only) on the federal Hub.

The bill sets up a federally-controlled board of seven political appointees in charge of maintaining 24/7 online IT connections with the Federal Data Services Hub.

In MN, The board is exempt from many state laws including rulemaking (you’ll have no meaningful right to object to anything it does) and the Minnesota Government data practices Act (you’ll have no transparency, no access to government records, no protections and no penalties).


25 posted on 01/21/2013 5:31:30 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni
tracking your insurance status,

imposing penalties under individual and employer mandate,

forcing people into government health (including the middle

class through subsidized policies) and

imposing national health care.

one more - finding out who has guns.

26 posted on 01/21/2013 5:35:26 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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