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Plouffe: President Has Enough Votes to Pass Gun Control
Newsmax ^ | Sunday, 20 Jan 2013 11:28 AM | Amy Woods

Posted on 01/20/2013 12:15:03 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai

This would mean the end of the Republican party as we know it.


51 posted on 01/20/2013 1:19:40 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Charles Martel
"Stay out of secular business and quit assisting the modern-day Nazis...."

If I remember correctly, Hitler got along fine with the churches........at first. They thought what Hitler was doing was to better the lives of the people (sound familiar?).
They were wrong. Once Hitler acquired enough power, the crosses came down and the NAZI flags replaced them. Hitler then declared himself their God.

52 posted on 01/20/2013 1:20:52 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: BobL

Go to the Ruger website. It has a take action box which allows you to send email letter to all reps and officials in your zip code. One week they had over 500,000 emails and they would like to reach 1,000,000 within several months. Time to make your voice heard. Go, fill out info and click. Takes few minutes and we have a chance to save most of the guns we own from ban.


53 posted on 01/20/2013 1:21:47 PM PST by Fee
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To: chris37

I’m not religious either, I’m a Christian.

And AMEN! to what you wrote.


54 posted on 01/20/2013 1:23:00 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: chris37
If you watch the prequels exclusively for paying attention to the rise of Senator/Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine, they are great. He manitulates everyone constantly for his own benefit, without ever appearing to want power for himself. He starts a trade war in the first film in order to get himself elected Chancellor. The minute he becomes a Chancellor he contracts out for an army and waits ten years for it to get built, then causes another war, and shazam, he has an army to come to the rescue. Then he finally executes the old guard Jedi, puts his new army in place, and he's in like Flynn as the Emperor.

"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design" - Emperor Palpatine

55 posted on 01/20/2013 1:29:21 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: theBuckwheat
This would mean the end of the Republican party as we know it.

Yep. They've already got the taxpayers seeing red. Add this, and they're a goner.

56 posted on 01/20/2013 1:32:19 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Yooper4Life
This is a case where the ordinary run of the mill member of the Catholic hierarchy is simply behind the Pope and laity. The problem is they remember a different history.

Fact is back during the French Religious Wars when peace was finally made the Protestant faction, known as the Huguenots, refused to stack arms like the Catholic faction, known as De Guise ~

Like to note here that both factions were led, in part by people from a single wing of the Royal family ~ the BOURBON cadet branch so a lot of the stuff that happened was just typical royal blood letting leading up to the decision to find a new king ~ which, in fact, is what happened ~ they found a new king and he was the leader of the Protestants, and he became Henry IV upon formal conversion to Catholicism (which the law required of men who wanted to be king of France).

You can look up the Huguenots and find lots of interesting stuff, but it's what they did next that's most interesting ~ they refused to give up their firearms and took them home with them!

Why I know the Pope has a different view on firearms than the guys down the hierarchical ladder is he speaks often of religious freedom and tolerance AND he carves out areas in his speeches where he cranks in the history of the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries ~ particularly as they relate to the defensive wars against the Ottoman incursions into Europe.

He knows you gotta' keep your guns or you're not free ~ whether Catholic or Protestant.

Karl Marx missed that part by focusing on recent 19th century English industrialization, which is why the rest of the Catholic hierarchy is so out of touch with the fundamentals here.

If logic doesn't help solve their problem I'd bring in some hillbillies and go for a conversion ~ if not for yourself, at least your best parish priest. No sense he should go about trying to tend to the needs of Christian souls without packing heat ~ this is a violent world.

NOTE; Today a Protestant hispanic pastor was murdered along with members of his family in New Mexico. You just can't be too careful in these trying times.

57 posted on 01/20/2013 1:33:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Olog-hai

Obama and his collectivist cadre are doing what they always do... gaslighting the American public.


58 posted on 01/20/2013 1:33:43 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Tell your dr to mind his own #@*& business.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Yes . . . if anything, the performance of Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine is worth viewing in the prequels.


59 posted on 01/20/2013 1:34:17 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: paratrooper82

Do you have any idea how many AR-15 type rifles are owned by gunowners? In the 1970’s an AR-15 was expensive compared to conventional wood stock rifles. The AR-15 manufacturers got smart by making various uppers that covered a range of calibers and configuration. One can own one rifle and many uppers (which do not require FFL to buy) plus the rail system offers more accessories. The carbine version is light and has very little recoil in the 5.56mm configuration that even women can own it and use it with ease. Since the 1970’s probably more AR-15 type rifles were sold then the wood stock ones and other black type rifles available. Now the gov wants to ban it, good luck!! Many of these rifles are owned by Reagan Dems and rural Dems as well as independents. This is an hornets nest the Dems and gov has stirred up. Ironically it would have been easier to ban the AR-15 and let the rest of the semi auto rifles legal in the 1980’s then now when the AR-15 is one of the most sold and owned rifle. On top of that the gov wants to ban the Ruger 10/22 and other 22 cal semi autos. The 10/22 and other 22 semi autos are the most owned gun in the entire world.


60 posted on 01/20/2013 1:38:38 PM PST by Fee
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To: Olog-hai; All
The real question concerning votes is this. Will congressmen who dare to help pass constitutionally indefensible gun control bills get enough votes to be reelected in 2014?

In case any of y'all haven't seen the following excerpt which was brought to our attention in a related thread, the Supreme Court clarified the purpose of the 2nd Amendment in United States v. Cruikshank.

"The second and tenth counts are equally defective. The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government, leaving the people to look for their protection against any violation by their fellow citizens of the rights it recognizes (emphasis added), to what is called, in The City of New York v. Miln, 11 Pet. 139, the "powers which relate to merely municipal legislation, or what was, perhaps, more properly called internal police," "not surrendered or restrained" by the Constitution of the United States." --United States v. Cruikshank, 1875.

61 posted on 01/20/2013 1:38:55 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: longtermmemmory
we had enough purists who gave us obama two.

Get over it. Your GOP liberal candidate lost because he was a liberal. Blaming conservatives is just stupid.

/johnny

62 posted on 01/20/2013 1:40:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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63 posted on 01/20/2013 1:46:45 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Yooper4Life

Maybe you should think harder about that church then.


64 posted on 01/20/2013 2:09:13 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: All; paratrooper82; Clump; centurion316; Popman; elcid1970; C. Edmund Wright; fortheDeclaration; ...
I urge you all not to take this lightly.
The full-court-press is on and the left thinks that now is the time to move against our second amendment rights.

Even if you think that they will never get enough votes, even if you think that writing to your representatives locally and in DC is futile and pointless, we need to push back on as many fronts and in as many layers of effort as we can.

One of those layers is to make ourselves heard before legislation is voted upon.

Don't just "urge" or "implore" them not to vote for new gun control laws. Let them know that they took an oath of office to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution and that any new gun legislation they vote for will be viewed as an infringement upon our rights as recognized by the second amendment.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: Don't just give them your opinion, ask them their stance.

"How will you vote?"

Get them to put it in writing. Either they support the Constitution or they don't. Make sure that they answer that question in their reply.

"How will you vote?"

If they reply with a form letter with flowery language designed not to take a stance, reply back and ask them again.

"How will you vote?"

In as much time as we all spend each day on FR vowing to stand for our rights, we can stand for our rights now and write an email to our local and federal legislators.

Push back.

65 posted on 01/20/2013 2:09:44 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Olog-hai

Did he actually state what the gun control law the President has the votes for will contain?

There’s no way that it’ll contain universal registration and an assault weapons or high-capacity magazine ban. For every RINO he can peel off on those issues he’s going to lose at least one Dem from a purple/red-leaning district.

He might be able to get through a comprehensive package that includes money for research, money for mental illness treatment, more restrictions on the sale of games/etc with hyper-violent content and a universal background check for all gun sales.

My guess is that there’ll be a “compromise” package that allows the President to declare victory and walk away from the issue.

I’m normally not a single-issue voter, but if gun control passes I WILL be one in 2014 and beyond. Both primaries and general. My Congressman is a Progressive Dem (safe seat) but my Senators are both Republicans. There are three issues to me. In reverse order: the GOP actively enabling a situation that helps build Obama’s political capital by giving him the perception of a victory on this issue; the treating of law-abiding US Citizens like they’re criminals due to the behavior of real criminals and the mentally insane; the shredding of the 2nd Amendment.

That last one is HUGE to me, because since the Dems are willing to shread the 2nd Amendment they’re sure as hell willing to shred the others (and the Constitution as well). They’ve been doing it for years. It’s time for the GOP to stand up and say “NO MORE”, draw a line in the sand and make the Dems pay for every additional inch of ground they want to take.


66 posted on 01/20/2013 2:10:18 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Depending on what (if anything) they pass, it could be a lot more than that.


67 posted on 01/20/2013 2:11:46 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Olog-hai

Plouffe, it doesn’t matter if you have 100 Senators and 435 Representatives vote for your gun control bills, they’ll still be unconstitutional and we won’t obey them. If you really insist on having a popular insurrection against your government, go ahead and try this. Oh, and don’t expect the military to pull your feet out of the fire—they’ll be on our side.


68 posted on 01/20/2013 2:13:57 PM PST by Doug Loss
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To: Olog-hai

This is BS. The Democrats in NY said the same thing, and then.....

....damn, nevermind.


69 posted on 01/20/2013 2:41:36 PM PST by GnL
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To: Olog-hai
He's bluffing.

However, this is how astroturfing of Congress begins. Let's hope the GOP whip sees through it instead of enabling it.

-PJ

70 posted on 01/20/2013 2:48:20 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

there were more than enough conservatives in the primaries that would have prevented the buffoonery of the senate races.


71 posted on 01/20/2013 2:59:36 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: JRandomFreeper

there were more than enough conservatives in the primaries that would have prevented the buffoonery of the senate races.

ps. thank you for proving the point.


72 posted on 01/20/2013 3:00:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Olog-hai

BS! Whistling past the Grave Yard.


73 posted on 01/20/2013 3:01:31 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Washi

Good advice, but they are bluffing at the federal level, at least for now. The danger is at the Blue State level for now.


74 posted on 01/20/2013 3:10:11 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Washi

They will try to do this like Prince Andrew did in NY. We won’t find out about it until it’s too late.

Ny is going to lose the coming court challenges and everyone in NY has said the compliance will be near zero.


75 posted on 01/20/2013 3:13:51 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: matt04

We left a liberal church. Took a while to find one that wasn’t in the tank for communists.


76 posted on 01/20/2013 3:15:34 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: longtermmemmory
You won't get conservatives to vote for your liberal candidates. Get used to losing.

Get the GOP to quit cheating for their handpicked candidate, and tell Rove to quit badmouthing and attacking conservatives, and you might get a conservative nominated, and have a chance of winning.

77 posted on 01/20/2013 3:31:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Olog-hai

Notice how the “new” article twisted Plouffe’s statement that Plouffe “believes” that the President has enough votes into an outright bravado claim that the President has the votes as a matter of fact. So, a hesitant claim becomes an irrefutable fact. This is utterly dishonest reporting. And, of course Plouffe is lying. NRA also claims to have the votes to stop it.


78 posted on 01/20/2013 3:36:21 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: matt04; basil

Gotta wonder if the ‘school’ they teach ‘priests’ nowdays isnt just next door to the one where they teach ‘journalists’...


79 posted on 01/20/2013 3:47:37 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

There’s only one solution to this whole mess; remove the middle class and REALLY bankrupt them. Get China nervous and have them call in their notes...: )


80 posted on 01/20/2013 3:50:36 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Charles Martel; basil

Sounds like you guys need to put some used brass in the collection plate.


81 posted on 01/20/2013 3:50:57 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Olog-hai
"All in favor say "Aye." aye

"All opposed say "Nay." NAY!!

"The "Ayes" have it."

82 posted on 01/20/2013 3:56:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: centurion316

read feinsteen


83 posted on 01/20/2013 4:04:03 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: Right Wing Assault

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84 posted on 01/20/2013 4:11:15 PM PST by mcmuffin (Freedom's On The March - Wave Goodbye!)
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To: All

It’s not the GOP members in the south, midwest, or west that concern me. It’s the RINOS in the cities and Northeast that are the problem.


85 posted on 01/20/2013 4:25:41 PM PST by Kolath
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To: 1st Division guy

Oh, I’ve read Feinstein and the Left has fantasies about her proposals being enacted into law. But, they are fantasies. Even Harry Reid won’t sign up for the stuff she is putting out. It’s political theater designed to convince the American people that they are putting forward reasonable, sensible, and common sense proposals that are being stopped by evil Republican gun nuts.

Eight Democrat Senators from Red States have to stand for election in 2014. They are going to vote for Feinstein’s plan. It proababy won’t even make it to the floor.

The House won’t take anything up until the Senate acts. They’ll never pass it, but nothing will make it out of the Senate, so the House won’t do anything.

The real threat is behind the scenes. They can do lots of mischief with regulations based on existing law. Mentally ill persons cannot own firearms. You sound a little crazy to me, or if not to me, to some ATF bubba somewhere. Questioning Feinstein is a clear indication of mental imbalance.


86 posted on 01/20/2013 4:26:13 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Olog-hai

Uh, define “gun control”....that is a very flexible term.


87 posted on 01/20/2013 4:40:43 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Olog-hai

I see the anti-Catholic bandwagon has shown up as usual.

We have moved a few times in our 18 year marriage. Out of the four different parishes we have been involved in, not a single one of them would be what I would consider a ‘liberal’ parish. Either we are some of the luckiest bastards on the planet moving to conservative Catholic churches four different times, or the Church isn’t in as bad of shape that the MSM and a few FReepers have made us out to be. I will concede that among the bishops in the U.S., we seemed to be sorely lacking in leadersip, but check out the faithful. Check out our priest, who has many times railed against abortion, birth control, and socialized medicine (both in his homilies and from casual conversations). Our little parish is the only Catholic church in Gallia Co., Ohio. Yet, my husband goes to work with plenty of non-Catholic ‘Christians’ who think the sun rises and sets around ‘he who must not be named’ and the Democrat party in general. Trying to find an Democrat bumper sticker around election time in our church parking lot is darn near impossible. Some of us still put our faith and our principles above politics and popular culture.

We bought our daughter a .22 rifle for Christmas (her siblings were jealous). Not only is shooting a normal rite of passage in these parts among our young people, but the Monday after Thanksgiving is a day off of school in our district for the beginning of deer hunting season.


88 posted on 01/20/2013 4:51:39 PM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (How long till my Arkansas drawl fades into the twang of southeast Ohio?)
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To: All

we need more first time buyers.

ownership should be as ubiquitous as TV’s


89 posted on 01/20/2013 4:54:39 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Olog-hai

I say if the Dems want to make millions of gun owners instant criminals with new gun laws, then the gloves are off. I got a new law to pass as well.

In the Cold War it was referred to as parallel escalation: All abortion classified as murder, and immediate termination of all planned parenthood abortion activities. “...if it will save just one life”

As well as the fact it is the right thing to do. In fact it will save 3000 lives a day, and the income tax those babies will produce will help pay for social security and Medicare in thirty years.


90 posted on 01/20/2013 5:04:39 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Wildbill22

Ban guns? No ban abortion!


91 posted on 01/20/2013 5:06:45 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Washi

With due respect, who is taking this lightly? I have never seen the country as up in arms (pun) as they are today, over this issue. That’s why I say Plouffe is lying and he knows it. He wants people to believe this, but I won’t fall for his BS and neither should you.


92 posted on 01/20/2013 5:15:10 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: centurion316
Even Harry Reid won’t sign up for the stuff she is putting out.

I wouldn't bet out on it. Ask Steve Win how that cozy crony capitalist (i.e. corrupt) relationship was working out for him. Reid only plays that role when party doesn't have to come first and foremost at the time. Usually there is wiggle room, but given who Obama is, Reid would go along with it if hit would pass. You can bet on it.
93 posted on 01/20/2013 5:52:35 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Olog-hai

Ploufe’ is on crack.


94 posted on 01/20/2013 5:56:20 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

***** “ Plouffe “ ******

Who is this clown that speaks to me familiar?

TT


95 posted on 01/20/2013 6:09:27 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

option A, you’ve been lucky bastards, because B, the church IS in that bad a shape. They voted Obama again. Nuff said. And why not? Catholics believe in huge bureaucracies and infra structures as a way to handle social issues, so they are perfect liberals out of the gate on many issues.


96 posted on 01/20/2013 6:22:53 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: elcid1970

And another thing, this is Newsmax, and they get paid per click and need readers to open their emails.....so this was an over the top headline to get attention. I see it worked.


97 posted on 01/20/2013 6:27:14 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Olog-hai

See 97


98 posted on 01/20/2013 6:28:22 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Olog-hai
"We certainly shall see who the RINO rubber stampers are online."

Anyone can do so after spending a little time learning about uses of the following site--bills, roll call votes (from links), all. My guess is that it's all written on government time and money, which leads to the guess that copying and pasting is okay.

http://thomas.loc.gov/


99 posted on 01/20/2013 6:36:07 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Olog-hai
"White House adviser David Plouffe said Sunday that he believes President Barack Obama has sufficient votes in Congress to pass gun-control legislation."

Our nation's leaders have been pushing for hysteria and panic with lies like that for some time now. Maybe they should be checked for mental problems. Our more manly forefathers leaned toward preventing panic.


100 posted on 01/20/2013 6:48:16 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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