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Tennessee politicians hope gun bill won't hurt Volkswagen chances
AP ^ | January 20th, 2013 | ERIK SCHELZIG

Posted on 01/20/2013 2:25:48 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Edited on 01/20/2013 2:31:40 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

NASHVILLE-- Efforts to land the assembly of another Volkswagen model in Tennessee have been kicked into high gear following the German automaker's unveiling of its CrossBlue SUV prototype at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit last week.

Officials hope their chances won't be undermined by renewed efforts in the state Legislature to enact a law to guarantee employees the right to store firearms in vehicles parked at work.


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1 posted on 01/20/2013 2:25:54 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Volkswagen, which has given largely glowing reviews of its experience in Tennessee, has spoken out against the guns proposal as hurting the company's security efforts at the plant. ....

So build them in California or NY where its "safe" and will cost much much more.
2 posted on 01/20/2013 2:30:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

To be quite honest Volkswagens arent what they used to be.

Their record inthe last few years hasn’t been that good and some of their models require premium gasoline. Be sure to ask before you buy one.


3 posted on 01/20/2013 2:43:07 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why don’t they name it something stupid like Tenuog to go along with Tiguan and Toureg.


4 posted on 01/20/2013 2:44:41 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

how much are you willing to sell your freedom for?


5 posted on 01/20/2013 2:53:14 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Venturer

Be that as it may, Volkswagen sales were up 35% in 2012 over 2011, easily the biggest gain of the larger brands.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 2:54:42 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: paul51
Benjamin Franklin, Testimony Against the Stamp Act (1766)

Good stuff with an appropriate answer to the final question.

Q. What used to be the pride of the Americans?

A. To indulge in the fashions and manufactures of Great Britain.

Q. What is now their pride?

A. To wear their old clothes over again, till they can make new ones.

7 posted on 01/20/2013 2:57:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Venturer

Well, one thing I know for sure is that the Passat TDI doesn’t require premium gasoline. :>)


8 posted on 01/20/2013 2:57:55 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: jjotto
Be that as it may, Volkswagen sales were up 35% in 2012 over 2011, easily the biggest gain of the larger brands.

That is merely another indicator of the decline of our society. IMHO, the greatest percentage of liberal (indicated by Obama stickers on the car) a******* on the road drive VW's.

TS

9 posted on 01/20/2013 2:59:29 PM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

100% polician BS.

the employeer does not control the content of a vehicle.


10 posted on 01/20/2013 3:02:10 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If Hitler’s People’s Wagons doesn’t want to do business in TN, then we know exactly who our enemy is.


11 posted on 01/20/2013 3:02:16 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: jjotto

they are practically giveing those things away.

they can’t sell them. In europe driving a german car makes you a target.


12 posted on 01/20/2013 3:05:02 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: The Shrew

Maybe years ago, but doesn’t look that way to me these days. Even Volvos have lost their counter-culture appeal.

Prius of course, Subarus and Saturns, Scions and Saabs have long-ago replaced VWs and Volvos among the politically correct crowd.

Although the average person these days acts like a lib, so maybe you’re right.


13 posted on 01/20/2013 3:07:28 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Although the average person these days acts like a lib, so maybe you’re right.

Thanks, I'll keep my F-150 Crew cab with the USMC Plates, Parent of a Marine - bumper sticker, and on the other side a "Live Free or Die" bumper sticker - as if I'm not already on enough lists.

Semper Fi,

TS

14 posted on 01/20/2013 3:25:57 PM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“law to guarantee employees the right to store firearms in vehicles parked at work.”

Seems like a misguided law to me. Private property owners ought to be able to tell others what they can and cannot do on the owner’s property, including bringing or carrying a firearm. It would then be the potential employee’s decision whether to work there or not. The government shouldn’t be promoting one freedom at the cost of restrictions another.


15 posted on 01/20/2013 3:45:59 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, they could repent and replace the cup holder with a holster. I’m sure that will improve their image.


16 posted on 01/20/2013 3:49:17 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Realistic headline:

“Democrat media sluts try to keep new VW plant out of Tennessee”


17 posted on 01/20/2013 3:50:44 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Sorry, but a warrant is required to search my vehicle, no matter where it’s parked.


18 posted on 01/20/2013 3:52:29 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Venturer

Actually, VW’s reliability record has improved significantly in the last few years.


19 posted on 01/20/2013 3:52:29 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: longtermmemmory

But an employer can control what an employee (or anyone else) can bring on to the employer’s property, including the parking lot.


20 posted on 01/20/2013 4:00:44 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: longtermmemmory

Ok, I’ll bite. Makes you a target? For what? I just got back from driving all around Germany and Switzerland. Lots of cars on the road from all countries. Didn’t see anyone targeted. Got any examples here?


21 posted on 01/20/2013 4:03:49 PM PST by zagger
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Warrant or no warrant, a private property owner is free to prohibit anything from his property, guns included. A private property owner is also free to require a search of every vehicle that enters his property. Of course, you would be free to say no, but the property owner could then prohibit you from entering the property.

I would never work for a company that did this, of course, and I assume most here would not either, but that’s the whole point of a free market - it’s our decision, not the government’s.


22 posted on 01/20/2013 4:08:47 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

If a private property owner is free to prohibit anything from his property, guns included, than said property owner should be free to allow anything of his property, including smoking. Unfortunately, this is not the case. I guess that means the government can tell you what you have to allow on your property.


23 posted on 01/20/2013 4:13:57 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Good post. All: don't sell your freedoms--especially to the globetrotting trash trying to shut down your freedoms. And BTW, it's time to dump the Wilsonian anti-American tax policies. Gentlemen, start your tariff engines. It's the American way. The other way lies communism. Their next step: driving you off of your private properties with big property tax hikes to replace revenues lost from tax relief for anti-American, global interests (those who collude with foreign communists against us). There's nothing conservative about them.

WTO helping China Loot Caterpillar
americanthinker.com ^ | 10/04/2010 | Howard Richman & Raymond Richman

"Why can’t Caterpillar make a profit exporting mini-excavators to China? The answer is simple: China has a 30% tariff on all excavators. In fact it has a similar high tariff on just about every vehicle, be it a Ford car, a GMC truck, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, or a giant mining machine made by Bucyrus International."

The United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations,...”

The Tariff Act of 1789 was the first national source of revenue for the newly formed United States.


China Imposes Tariff on US Car Imports
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2820831/posts


24 posted on 01/20/2013 4:14:40 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: beandog

I agree. But I don’t believe the best way to respond to property owners losing one set of rights is to take away another.


25 posted on 01/20/2013 4:19:57 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

They’d have to fire me for refusing to allow them to search it. Record and document it all and let the courts take it from there. They’re looking for “voluntary compliance”. I wouldn’t give it to them is all.


26 posted on 01/20/2013 4:28:48 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Officials hope their chances won't be undermined by renewed efforts in the state Legislature to enact a law to guarantee employees the right to store firearms in vehicles parked at work.

Why do I view this as a non story unless the writer is attempting to create a controversy where none exists?

The controversy of course being "Is the state willing to sacrifice the creation of new jobs for the unemployed at the expense of the Right Wing gun nuts who put their 2nd Amendment rights ahead of jobs?"

27 posted on 01/20/2013 4:36:02 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

up to a point.

many states now prohibit employeers from dictating the contents of vehicles. (see fl)


28 posted on 01/20/2013 5:14:23 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Europeans are tragically crippled by the propaganda foisted on them by their government encouraged media. For years, Americans were stereotyped as being either “cowboys” or “gangsters”, with America seen as “a good place to visit, but you wouldn’t want to live there.”

They were also conditioned to believe that socialist-democracy, with all its baggage, was a better deal than freedom and individuality. The propaganda is such that even a filthy murder-factory like the NHS in Britain is seen as superior to non-government health care in the US.

And they’ve bought into the other ridiculous fallacies, like gun control, and the rule of unelected elites, along with having mostly eliminated their various armies (except for France), so can only attack the warlike by trying to bore them to death with committee meetings.

So the best you can do when you meet Europeans who are such indoctrinated cripples, you should express sympathy for their self righteous ignorance, but refuse to modify your behavior to follow their rules.


29 posted on 01/20/2013 5:42:24 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It sure would be nice if some FReepers let VW know that they own guns, and they otherwise might be interested in their cars...


30 posted on 01/20/2013 6:01:18 PM PST by BobL
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To: Tailgunner Joe

One other thing...VW will QUICKLY find themselves running out of business-friendly states if they start applying that policy.

As they may have to learn the hard way,gun freedom and business freedom typically go hand-in-hand.


31 posted on 01/20/2013 6:05:23 PM PST by BobL
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

“Seems like a misguided law to me. Private property owners ought to be able to tell others what they can and cannot do on the owner’s property, including bringing or carrying a firearm.”

I think you picked a bad forum (and timing) to take on gun rights.

In this case, by letting VW stop people from having a gun in their parked car, they’re also preventing them from having that same gun in their car when they drive home - and as someone who was followed home once (after buying a laptop at Best Buy), I would prefer we not give corporate America the ability to take that right away from us.


32 posted on 01/20/2013 6:11:11 PM PST by BobL
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
"Private property owners ought to be able to tell others what they can and cannot do on the owner’s property, including bringing or carrying a firearm. It would then be the potential employee’s decision whether to work there or not. The government shouldn’t be promoting one freedom at the cost of restrictions another."

Such a firearm isn't ON the business owner's property. Said property ends where the vehicle wheels touch the ground. From the ground up, the property is the vehicle owners, and whatever might be contained therein is N.O.T.B.. "If" the firearm were to be carried out of the interior of the vehicle, THEN the business owner has a legitimate interest, but not otherwise.

33 posted on 01/20/2013 6:28:41 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: BobL

” I think you picked a bad forum (and timing) to take on gun rights.”

I’m not taking on gun rights. I’m defending property rights.

” In this case, by letting VW stop people from having a gun in their parked can’t they’re also preventing them from having that same gun in their car when they drive home - and as someone who was followed home once (after buying a laptop at Best Buy), I would prefer we not give corporate America the ability to take that right away from us.”

That’s a fair point, but my point remains the same. VW would not be preventing anyone from having a gun in their car when they drive home UNLESS that person, knowing VW’s rules, nonetheless agreed to work there. Don’t like VW’s rules? Don’t work there or buy their cars. I wouldn’t, and I’m sure most here wouldn’t either. But, again, I’d rather that be my choice, and VW’s, not the government’s.


34 posted on 01/20/2013 6:57:33 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: longtermmemmory; Conscience of a Conservative; Tailgunner Joe
many states now prohibit employeers from dictating the contents of vehicles. (see fl)

And Texas! One of the biggest lobbyists against the Texas law prohibiting gun owners from keeping guns lock in their cars while parked at work was USAA.

35 posted on 01/20/2013 7:56:32 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: BobL; Conscience of a Conservative
In this case, by letting VW stop people from having a gun in their parked car, they’re also preventing them from having that same gun in their car when they drive home - and as someone who was followed home once (after buying a laptop at Best Buy), I would prefer we not give corporate America the ability to take that right away from us.

I hope you didn't really drive to your home in that case. It's better to drive to a police station.

36 posted on 01/20/2013 8:03:36 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

“I hope you didn’t really drive to your home in that case. It’s better to drive to a police station.”

It was interesting. I was with one of my kids and we had a nice talk going home. I was on the quiet street where my house is, but I usually back in the driveway. If there’s someone close behind me, I make a point of driving right past my house and doing a U-turn at an cul-de-sac, so as to not have to stop and back up with him waiting.

In this case, there was a car right on my butt but I didn’t think of the threat the laptop was posing to myself, so I ignored the car (i.e., not paying attention), but I still drove to the end of the street and did the U-turn (without slowing at my house, fortunately), except this time the car did exactly the same thing. There is no reason for anyone to make a U-turn at that location, with the only exception being lost - and that doesn’t happen much, at all, on my street. So I knew I had a problem at that point. He continued to follow me down a few other streets (obviously I didn’t go home at that point), but he then finally headed a different way when I got on a large street. At that point, I was going to drive to the police station, but didn’t have to.

I did later tell the police and filled out a report - because I figure it’s an MO now, so I wanted to give the police the info that I had from the event. And it didn’t help that when you walk out of Best Buy with a laptop, they don’t put it a bag, so you have a nice big TOSHIBA (or whatever) on the box for everyone to see on the way to your car.


37 posted on 01/20/2013 8:52:45 PM PST by BobL
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To: Tailgunner Joe

My wife argued long and hard to get her company to allow her to keep her gun in her car on company property. A couple of the ladies who work with her told her that if the SHTF, they’re sticking with her. She told them it would be better if they also got weapons and it looks like she may be starting a trend. Once the ladies are all armed, maybe the men will grow some...Another case where policy to keep guns away will only disarm the innocent and open the door for the bad guys - how does a company’s security department ensure nobody has weapons without 100% searches?


38 posted on 01/21/2013 4:05:30 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

And when you enter my car, you are entering MY property.

This is not that hard.


39 posted on 01/21/2013 4:09:39 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Agreed, though if a company wanted to set up a checkpoint to search cars as they entered the premises, they would be free to do so (and if you or I did not want our car searched, we’d be free to not enter the property) - you see this in a lot of underground parking garages, since the first WTC attack.


40 posted on 01/21/2013 4:57:20 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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