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Itís Not the Message, Itís Not the Messenger, Itís the Voter
http://frontpagemag.com ^ | January 21, 2013 | Bruce Thornton

Posted on 01/21/2013 3:47:03 AM PST by lowbridge

Nearly 3 months after the presidential election the Republicans are still trying to fix what they think went wrong. A popular culprit is the Republicans’ alleged failure to communicate forcefully or persuasively a message that would move voters presumably receptive to conservative policies and principles. Just in the last week Jonah Goldberg, Daniel Henninger, Ari Fleischer, Ross Douthat, and Karl Rove have worked variations on this theme. Yet we should remember that any act of communication comprises not just a sender and a message, but also a receiver. We need to focus on the nature of America’s political “receivers,” the 65 million who voted for Obama in the November election, and the 93 million registered voters who didn’t vote. If those voters are not receptive to the Republican message, it doesn’t matter much how brilliant the messenger or the packaging of the message.

And that “message” has been out there for years now and constantly repeated. Only the stupid or willfully inattentive haven’t heard that we face a financial abyss waiting at the end of our entitlement road, that entitlements need to be reformed, that we have an exploding debt and deficit crisis, that a “tax the rich” policy only produces chump-change for solving that problem, that Obama’s economic policies have bloated the federal government at the expense of jobs and growth, and that Obama himself is the most left-wing, duplicitous, partisan, and incompetent president in modern history. And conservatives have identified repeatedly the bad ideology and flawed assumptions that have generated the policies that created those problems. The fact is, many voters know full well this dismal catalogue of failure, and they either don’t care, or they believe the fatuous rationalizations, lies, excuses, and economic magical thinking offered by the Democrats.

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1 posted on 01/21/2013 3:47:04 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

It’s who counts the votes that matters.


2 posted on 01/21/2013 3:54:17 AM PST by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: Edgar3

The 93 million registered voters who didn’t vote didn’t vote because there was no difference between the Republicans and Democrats................that’s why.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 4:09:07 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: lowbridge

Might help if they tried putting forward a conservative platform along with candidates that truly believe in it.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 4:10:39 AM PST by Kadric
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To: lowbridge

It is the message and the messenger. A slow transition to socialism led by the father of RomneyCare and the grandfather of ObamaCare is a hard sell. Maybe, if we nominate a genuine conservative who articulates conservatism, the voters will understand and approve of the message. Note: A Massachusetts liberal who describes himself as “severely conservative” does not count.


5 posted on 01/21/2013 4:15:40 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: lowbridge

6 posted on 01/21/2013 4:18:22 AM PST by ASA Vet (314th MI Bn (CEWI) / 207th MI Bde / VII Corp)
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To: Kadric

The vast majority of voters dont care, can’t be bothered to listen or pay attention because it interferes with their American Idol, Kardashian narcosis....


7 posted on 01/21/2013 4:22:19 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: DH

yep...

I find it amazing that these pubs can and will point their fingers in every and any direction, but refuse to look in the mirror...


8 posted on 01/21/2013 4:23:02 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: lowbridge

Three issues as I saw it:
1.The low information voter: the ones who are normally smart but just don’t pay attention outside their own lives. Yeah, they should pay attention and be passionate but they are not...at least about politics anyway.
2. Conservative purists: argue as you will but Romney did not get as many votes as McCain. Had he done so he would have won because zero did not get as many as HE did the first time either. The wave of discontent fell short.
3. Romney tried to coast the last few weeks....his polls were wrong and he did not hit hard enough at critical issues. Ben Ghazi, the coming fiscal cliff, all manner of issues he could have but did not push hard enough.

Now we are stuck with this evil clown and his posse for at least 2 years[midterms to try and flip the senate...won’t happen in my estimation] and certainly 4 before we can be rid of him.

God help us all.


9 posted on 01/21/2013 4:24:30 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Kozak
Kardashian narcosis....

And its related disease with almost identical symptoms, NFL-itis.

10 posted on 01/21/2013 4:25:01 AM PST by abb
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To: Kozak

“The vast majority of voters dont care, can’t be bothered to listen or pay attention because it interferes with their American Idol, Kardashian narcosis....”

The vast majority of so-called conservatives dont care, can’t be bothered to show up at a local village council meeting, attend a school board meeting or run a constitutional sheriff in their county because it interferes with their kitchen remodeling, worshipping mammon and barbecuing burgers.


11 posted on 01/21/2013 4:34:08 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Adder
Conservative purists: argue as you will but Romney did not get as many votes as McCain. Had he done so he would have won because zero did not get as many as HE did the first time either.

This is incorrect. From fec.gov - Romney received 60,932,152 votes in 2012; McCain gathered 59,948,323 votes in 2008.

12 posted on 01/21/2013 4:37:57 AM PST by willieroe
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To: Adder

When you nominate someone afraid and unwilling to use the only media outlet you control to get your message out, you have a recipe for disaster.


13 posted on 01/21/2013 5:07:01 AM PST by planesman
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To: willieroe

Then I stand corrected. Thank you for the info....mine was old apparently.


14 posted on 01/21/2013 5:15:32 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: abb
And its related disease with almost identical symptoms, NFL-itis.

Followed by 9 months of MLB itis

15 posted on 01/21/2013 5:26:24 AM PST by southern rock
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To: lowbridge
Big surpise, voters are attracted to free stuff and services that are largely paid for by no-one, created money.

Republicans would never try to play this game if they had the WH for eight years would they, like expanding an already broke entitlement without paying for it, while passing huge tax cuts?

If the economy was booming and the deficit shrinking in 2008 we would be having a completely different conversation. Then most voters would believe it works.

16 posted on 01/21/2013 5:31:23 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: lowbridge
'The Medium Is The Message' by Marshall McLuhan.

"they believe the fatuous rationalizations, lies, excuses, and economic magical thinking offered by the..." media.

The Dems pander to the stupid, young and female and the media helps them- because those are the demographics advertisers pay for. Those demographics rule America, their desires control the political discourse as they do the entertainment choices because the advertisers want them watching their commercials.

Hail McLuhan!

17 posted on 01/21/2013 5:33:16 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: lowbridge

This is about the decline of the American public. A corrupt political system is the result. And it’s going to get progressively worse, simpy look at the shifing demographics.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 5:40:19 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: mrsmith

‘Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man, ‘ is the correct title of McLuhan’s book.

The wiki entry isn’t a bad start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

“McLuhan describes the “content” of a medium as a juicy piece of meat carried by the burglar to distract the watchdog of the mind.[8] This means that people tend to focus on the obvious, which is the content, to provide us valuable information, but in the process, we largely miss the structural changes in our affairs that are introduced subtly, or over long periods of time.[7] As society’s values, norms and ways of doing things change because of the technology, it is then we realize the social implications of the medium. “

Advertisers determine TV’s audience and hence everything it does.


19 posted on 01/21/2013 5:44:58 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: sergeantdave
The vast majority of so-called conservatives dont care, can’t be bothered to show up at a local village council meeting, attend a school board meeting or run a constitutional sheriff in their county because it interferes with their kitchen remodeling, worshipping mammon and barbecuing burgers.

The vast majority of conservatives don't encourage their children to get liberal arts degrees. They don't encourage professions such as education. They don't encourage their kids go to film school or persue careers in production or directing. Don't major in creative writing. Don't bother with courses in comedy writing. Forget acting. Stay away from Hollywood. Just get that job that will yeild immediate income and upward mobility. Better yet, go to Wall Street.

Then we wonder how the rest of the population became indoctranated.Because we just let them.

20 posted on 01/21/2013 5:46:14 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Kadric

I started saying two years ago the GOP was in trouble due it’s reliance on the Mushy Moderate’s that keep getting picked by the establishment.


21 posted on 01/21/2013 5:52:46 AM PST by Retired Grunt
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To: lowbridge

The majority of the population in all nations is of mediocre intelligence and we are no exception.

I work in the health care field. Last week I was speaking with a social worker from another health care agency, trying to explain to her why Obamacare caused our company to reduce field employees’ hours to 29. It was the first she had heard of the effect of Obamacare on real lives.

I wonder why we are so quick to accept the idea that Romney lost the election or received fewer votes than McCain. Seems like the votes could easily be electronically transferred every which way but loose.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 5:52:46 AM PST by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: Adder

A few things:
1. The Obama campaign had much more $$ to spend and was much smarter about how they spent it than the Romney campaign. They had a far more comprehensive and sophisticated ground game than did Romney. For all his alleged business acumen, Romney did a crummy job of managing his campaign. He relied on an IT system to get out the vote that had not been tested. He, of all people, should have known better. Its almost as if the Romney campaign have $$ to people who told them what they wanted to hear.
2. The 2008-9 financial crisis was a game changer in this country. For the first time ever, we have a critical mass of people who just want their Government bennies and don’t want to work. Or people who are sympathetic to them. Romney was on target with his comment about the 47%—in fact he might have been low.
3. Many of the wealthy, for who the Republicans are supposedly fighting, have become hopelessly liberal.
4. Election fraud & unchecked immigration have helped turn the tide at the margins, especially in key purple states.
5. Obama’s bailout of GM resonated in places like OH and WI.
6. Yes, most people know about the Deficit, but it a rather abstract problem because it doesn’t directly effect them. If you hear about something enough and you don’t see (or understand) the consequences, you eventually tune it out. The other thing is that while Americans might not like the Deficit, they seem to dislike specific cuts to the budget even more.
7. Our decades long spree of abundance and prosperity, combined with technology, has robbed many people of common sense. They no longer see a correlation between actions and consequences.

All these things add up to really hard challenges for Conservatives. Just like the Financial crisis was a game changer for the Libs, there needs to be another game changer for conservatives. I hate to say it, but Republicans have too often helped to birth and nurture the trends (via compromise) that are now eating their lunch. I really don’t see anything turning it around short of the Entitlement system collapsing of its own weight. The Zero Interest Rate (ZIRP) policy we are seeing out of the Federal Reserve is an attempt to forstall that as long as possible.


23 posted on 01/21/2013 6:05:00 AM PST by rbg81
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To: abb
Kardashian narcosis....

And its related disease with almost identical symptoms, NFL-itis.

Now, if one were to interfere with football games we'd have a true uprising. King Football. To too many couch potatoes, that represents all that is Good and Sacred in this country. What a GD shame! It turns my stomach.

24 posted on 01/21/2013 6:07:40 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: rbg81; All






Of course it was voter fraud.

Surely no one believes America voted to reelect the Marxist/Muslim usurper- the worst president in American history?






Can't you just imagine the above was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?

Next time? What makes them think the massive voter fraud in this last farce of an election won't be repeated? If we don't clean up our voting system, there may not be a next time. We may not see another Republican president in our lifetime


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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the criminal Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...


We cannot wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....




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Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

Visit the site- Here

Astonishing!


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Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

Republican pole watchers; busloads of Somalians brought in Here



THE JEWISH TASK FORCE makes a excellent case that Mitt defeated Obama in 2012, if not for fraud. Here



Another poll watcher observes voter fraud Here

Spanish Company Associated w/Geo. Soros Will “Count” America's Votes Overseas In November Here



CANADA FREE PRESS: Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here


Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud on 'Hannity' after the election Nov 12- Here

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Believe it or not, there ARE patriots out there who are going to FIGHT Obama's reelection- unlike the spineless Republicans who remain silent!

Visit the website; 'The Competent Conservative'

Here

'These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below... '





Visit the website, 'Halt Voter Fraud':

Here

'This election is not over - YET. Obama has not been elected by the Electoral College - YET. The Presidential election is being stolen from us with "Chicago Style" thuggery - and we can STOP the thieves in their tracks. But we do not have time on our side. This is our LAST chance. Don't give up. We must act now.

If massive voter fraud has occured as alleged by so many, and if the state vote counts include these FRAUDULENT votes, then is it logical to say that the entire state vote is COMPROMISED and can't be trusted? 59,000,000 Americans might agree!

The state vote is used to determine the allocation of Electors in the Electoral College which actually elects the President and Vice President.

If the vote count is FRAUDULENT, FLAWED, and CAN'T BE TRUSTED - and if the Electors have been FRAUDULENTLY allocated based on FLAWED vote counts - then WE CANNOT ALLOW THE GOVERNORS TO SIGN THEIR CERTIFICATES of ASCERTAINMENT on December 17th. We can stop this if we ACT IMMEDIATELY.

***** CALL TO ARMS ***** FIVE STATE CAPITOLS ***** SEVEN DAYS *******

Patriots must rally NOW in the State Capitols of Harrisburg,PA - Richmond, VA - Tallahassee, FL - Columbus, OH, and Madison, WI ****** MASSIVE RALLIES ** *** PATRIOT LEADERS ORGANIZE YOUR LOCAL EFFORTS NOW, coordinate with the other PATRIOT groups as they also rally, let us know who you are and how you will respond, how we can help.

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More- Here

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Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

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Sign this petition- almost 117,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

Click and sign the petition for a recount Here-

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here



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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here

MORE:

Newt Gingrich 360: Here

Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here





25 posted on 01/21/2013 6:12:16 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: rbg81

Right on Agkistrodon contortrix mokasen.

Fundamental problem for conservatives is they want less Government, while voters want more.

Voters win.


26 posted on 01/21/2013 6:13:26 AM PST by Captiva (DVC)
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To: lowbridge

“In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.”

- Gibbon


27 posted on 01/21/2013 6:18:30 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Pollster1

So how come your primary candidate didn’t win?


28 posted on 01/21/2013 6:41:02 AM PST by MDspinboyredux
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To: rbg81

I hate to say it, but Republicans have too often helped to birth and nurture the trends (via compromise) that are now eating their lunch. I really don’t see anything turning it around short of the Entitlement system collapsing of its own weight.

I very much agree with that assessment.

But I also believe the entitlement system is IN collapse. There is simply no money to be had to sustain it. It is well known to someone, I just do not know who.

I do not understand why the dumblecrats are so intent on raping and robbing this country of all of its wealth. I see the game being played but not the end of it.
I do not understand how the Al Frankens and even the Chuck Shumers are so America hating that they cannot see what they are doing in the name of “fayerness”. I do not believe they are smart enough to engineer our inevitable collapse.
Can the reason be as simple as they willing grab all they can while they can and damn the consequences? Really? Are they that stupid or is something else going on?


29 posted on 01/21/2013 7:07:59 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Adder

Can the reason be as simple as they willing grab all they can while they can and damn the consequences? Really? Are they that stupid or is something else going on?


Actually, yes. If the System does collapse, its an open question as to what will replace it. We may assume that a collapse will make people come to their senses. That is just one possibility of many. Another increasingly likely possibility, however, it that it will become a pseudo-Marxist state where all is controlled by everyone’s standard of living declines, but the bottom 40-50% retain a cushion at the expense of everyone else. And, of course, the Elites that prove cooperative will be rewarded and allowed to retain their status in some form. We will still call ourselves the United States and give lip service to “freedom”, but it won’t be a Capitalist Republic—it will be a Marxist oligarchy.

Think its not possible? Take a hard look at Venezuela. Its what happens when people care more about free stuff than freedoms. Many of these Libs that push these policies may be counting on staying in power no matter what.


30 posted on 01/21/2013 7:45:29 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81

But a country like Venezuela has to have some commerce...and they do: selling their oil, a source of ready capital infused into their economy to keep their welfare state schemes afloat.[A country like Greece doesn’t have anything approaching that kind of wealth engine.]

We on the otherhand have decided to bar extraction of our oil, bar the refining of our oil, make conducting business in manufacturing so expensive that we have trouble performing it. [Not to say we do not manufacture, we do but under some onerous and expensive burdens.]
We have spent since the 90’s shedding our wealth creation engines and have opted for wealth churning ones: service type jobs and the like.
And if you are correct, the ones at the top will be left with damn little to “rule” over. All the marxist oligarchies have moved to be more “capitalist”.

I still have a difficult time thinking that so many of the senators who keep pushing this nonsense are simply that clueless. I do not like Harry Reid but I did not think of him as particularly evil, not like I do the Marxist in Charge, Oblahblah. Thats why I am have an issue with some of the positions these folks are supporting.

Thank God I am not just starting out: I’ve had my main run, such as it was...but it pains me to see what is happening to the once proud country that “beat the nips and the krauts” and landed several men on the moon and found cures for diseases like polio.


31 posted on 01/21/2013 8:19:36 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Adder
4. The media complex. The out and out lying, not telling certain stories, accentuating non stories, making things up; these accounted for at least 20% of the stupid vote.

The purists (well represented on FR) who didn't vote or voted third party will crow about their stance the entire time our country cirles the drain.....and will never see the truth in the mirror......

32 posted on 01/22/2013 5:35:42 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: willieroe

The fact remains that the “Principled Conservative” is the biggest tool in the RAT arsenal.


33 posted on 01/22/2013 6:45:58 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke
Principled Axelrod Conservative........

More accurate.

34 posted on 01/22/2013 6:51:01 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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