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Tom Brokaw v. Founding Fathers
The American Thinker ^ | 1-21-13 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 01/21/2013 7:32:29 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

Thursday Jan 17, Tom Brokaw was given time on MSNBC to tell the Founding Fathers the self-evident truths they laid their lives on the line for are farfetched.

Are we lucky, or what? Our talking heads know so much more than the men who pledged their lives, their sacred honor to free us from the tyranny of Kings and establish real freedom.

Brokaw spoke with Andrea Mitchell. He aimed his remarks at people who believe in the Constitution by saying, in a scholarly formal tone (which passes for derision in his circles), that 2nd Amendment types who say the Amendment is there to protect citizens from government tyranny are 'pretty outlandish'.

'I have to keep my weapon because the government's going to come and try to take it away from me, and I have to be able to fight back when that happens,'" Brokaw said. "Well that's the most far-reaching thing you can possibly imagine."

He expanded that utterance with, "If we get to a stage where storm troopers show up on your doorstep, it's about a lot more guns, by the way, it's anarchy in this country."

Tom? No kidding, brother. And by the way that was your 'outside voice', sir. The one you should guard against using because that's the voice which reveals vacuity, emptiness, lack of understanding and general boorishness. Let's see what George Washington has to say to you in reply.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; founders; guncontrol; guns; jefferson; mason; militia; partisanmediashills; secondamendment; washington; williampitt

1 posted on 01/21/2013 7:32:35 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This is worth reading in its entirety. It is difficult to tell by the way this article appeared at its source whether it was written by Thomas Lifson or Michael Geer. I apologise if I credited the wrong author.

In any case, this is a great source for founding father quotes about the need for individual citizens owning guns.


2 posted on 01/21/2013 7:36:32 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Lamestream media folks are so out of touch. If they were around during the Revolutionary war, they would have supported the British.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 7:38:36 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: afraidfortherepublic

4 posted on 01/21/2013 7:42:48 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Brokaw spoke with Andrea Mitchell.

...and the heavens trembled as the perpetually pompous preached to the predictably perplexed.

5 posted on 01/21/2013 7:43:50 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I don’t know why most Americans think the US is “too big to fail”. Look at how our culture and demographics are trending. To me, it’s a sure thing.


6 posted on 01/21/2013 7:46:47 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Isn’t Brokaw from Canada?


7 posted on 01/21/2013 7:52:18 AM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Brokaw said. “Well that’s the most far-reaching thing you can possibly imagine.””

Really? How about the government allowing a rioting group of “African-Americans” to run amok through a neighborhood for 4 days where there is no gun-ownership because the residents are peace-loving Jews?

It was called Crown Heights, and it was in August, 1991. And what did you do in response, Tom? Did you equate the tragic, but accidental death of a black child with the deliberate murder of a young Jewish man?

I don’t know. But, during the 2003 presidential debates, Tom, you asked al Sharpton if he’d apologize for promoting accusations made by Tawana Brawley, who accused six white New York policemen of raping her. Al didn’t, but you didn’t even bother to ask Sharpton (who had previously demanded an apology from Gov. Howard Dean for his remarks about pickup trucks and the Confederate Flag) to apologize for his actions during the Crown Heights riots in 1991.

Outlandish, Tom? Not as outlandish as you still being employed.


8 posted on 01/21/2013 7:54:23 AM PST by Ben 59
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Of course the battles of Lexington and Concord weren’t fought over some cannons and munitions held by the rabble hoard who were defying the King.

“You will march...with the utmost expedition and Secrecy to Concord, where you will seize and destroy all the Artillery, Ammunition, Provisions...Small Arms, and all Military Stores whateverr...” — General Gage’s orders to Lt. Col. Smith, April 18, 1775

http://www.concordma.com/magazine/spring05/cannons.html


9 posted on 01/21/2013 7:54:54 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Tom has comparable integrity & intelligence to that of the Courtiers in the "Emperor's New Clothes," praising how well the new garments looked on the Emperor. The man shows his ignorance of history, even as he displays his lack of analytic ability.

Pretty sorry stuff!

For anyone who wants some ammunition on the issue, see Right & Duty To Keep & Bear Arms.

On the subject of a people who have lost their way, Losing America's Multi-generational Purpose.

For a reminder of the gutless stupidity of the Tom Brokaws throughout the history of fawning: The Emperor's New Clothes.

William Flax

10 posted on 01/21/2013 7:57:37 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: wolfpat

South Dakota.


11 posted on 01/21/2013 7:58:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: wolfpat

Brokaw was born in SD. Peter Jennings was from Canada.


12 posted on 01/21/2013 8:06:51 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Brokaw should be strung up and gutted for disgracing those who sacrificed so much for our country.


13 posted on 01/21/2013 8:06:55 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m 63 years old and since I was a child I’ve known that the purpose of the second amendment was to hold the government at bay. I was taught this in school. Amazing how far we’ve fallen.


14 posted on 01/21/2013 8:16:08 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The “Washington quote” is bogus.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

It doesn’t even really sound 18th century, and uses a number of terms that didn’t yet exist when Washington lived.

Which doesn’t mean the sentiment isn’t valid, simply that the implied “appeal to authority” of assigning it to G. Washington is untrue.


15 posted on 01/21/2013 8:19:59 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: afraidfortherepublic
In any case, this is a great source for founding father quotes about the need for individual citizens owning guns.

I like those quotes.

16 posted on 01/21/2013 8:26:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: muir_redwoods

There are many reasons for adding the 2nd amendment.
I sincerely doubt hunting was one of them .


17 posted on 01/21/2013 8:29:51 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Ben 59

Brokaw is a disgusting symptom of liberal hate.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 8:47:04 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: Ben 59
'I have to keep my weapon because the government's going to come and try to take it away from me, and I have to be able to fight back when that happens,'" Brokaw said. "Well that's the most far-reaching thing you can possibly imagine."

He should ask 6 million European Jews. But he can not, because they were killed in the Holocaust after Hitler took the peoples weapons.

19 posted on 01/21/2013 9:03:51 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Sherman Logan
The “Washington quote” is bogus...

It doesn’t even really sound 18th century, and uses a number of terms that didn’t yet exist when Washington lived. Which doesn’t mean the sentiment isn’t valid, simply that the implied “appeal to authority” of assigning it to G. Washington is untrue.

Then I hope 2A advocates will stop using it, because it only diminishes their credibility when they do so.

To all 2A advocates: Don't automatically cite something unless you've checked it out for yourself. You may make yourself look like a fool, if the citation can be easily debunked. There is enough good information out there to use.

20 posted on 01/21/2013 9:09:04 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: afraidfortherepublic

What part of the Second Amendment “against all enemies, foreign and domestic” does this pseudo-intellectual idiot not understand?


21 posted on 01/21/2013 9:11:07 AM PST by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: SuziQ

Absolutely.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 9:19:11 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: afraidfortherepublic

[[that 2nd Amendment types]]

the left are throwing htis term aroudn now as an insult- if You are patriotic, and love your coutnry, and value hte second mamendment, you are simply old fashioned and out of touch with the ‘new reality’ in theirm inds, and shoudl be called the that 2nd Amendment types as a form of scorn and ridicule-

It woudl be nice if there were enough TRUE right wing news stations i nthis coutnry where everytime oen of hte Anti-Americans opens their piehole, the right immedfiately pounces on it and shows America how unamerican the left really are- but all we really have is the assinien ‘fair and balanced’ (Read- left leaning ‘conservative’) fox channel


23 posted on 01/21/2013 9:20:39 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; SpinnerWebb
'I have to keep my weapon because the government's going to come and try to take it away from me, and I have to be able to fight back when that happens ...'"

You're an assclown, Brokaw. What you've just described as "the most far reaching thing you can possibly imagine" is exactly what was going on at Lexington and Concord when the men who pledgeed their lives and their sacred honor shed blood for your freedom.

24 posted on 01/21/2013 9:26:50 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
2nd Amendment types who say the Amendment is there to protect citizens from government tyranny are 'pretty outlandish'.

Joseph Story, a contemporary of the framers of the Constitution,in his Commentaries on the Constitution considered the right to keep and bear arms as "the palladium of the liberties of the republic," which deterred tyranny and enabled the citizenry at large to overthrow it should it come to pass.

In 1837, the Georgia Supreme Court in Nunn v. State held that the Bill of Rights protected natural rights which were fully as capable of infringement by states as by the federal government, and that the Second Amendment provided "the right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not merely such as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed nor broke in on, in the slightest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying of a well regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free state."...

25 posted on 01/21/2013 9:38:02 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: wolfpat
Isn’t Brokaw from Canada?

Sadly Brokaw was born and raised in South Dakota. However he has long ago lost South Dakota values and his views on gun control would not play well in his home state.

26 posted on 01/21/2013 9:48:00 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks afraidfortherepublic.
Brokaw spoke with Andrea Mitchell... 2nd Amendment types who say the Amendment is there to protect citizens from government tyranny are 'pretty outlandish'.
As an agitprop mouthpiece and Partisan Media Shill, after they and their ilk launch their armed insurrection, their won't be making any more media appearances.


27 posted on 01/21/2013 9:51:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

When the argument is made, as Cuomo did in screaching tones, that hunters don’t need semi-autos, assault weapons and high capacity magazines, the rebuttal should be clear.

This is not about hunting. This is about our right to defend ourselves from government tyranny. Why should we have to limit ourselves to weapons inferior to the government if the purpose it to restrain the government. When muskets were what the army had, citizens had the right to muskets. Technology has advanced and our weapons must keep up in order to maintain our deterrence capability.

Why is Homeland Security stocking up on hollow point ammo? When the government gets rid of AR’s so will the citizenry.


28 posted on 01/21/2013 10:16:30 AM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Brokaw repeats the well-traveled false idea that in the case of a rebellion, all members of the military will side with the government. Since a very large percentage of the military are right-wing, I think the odds are great that any rebellion against a tyranny would be supported by many members of the military. The citizens who have the most weapons would probably make the difference between freedom or subjugation.

And I used to have a smidgeon of respect for Brokaw which I've now completely lost. He now sounds like a typical, leftist petty-tyrant.

29 posted on 01/21/2013 10:42:40 AM PST by driftless2
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To: dervish

Quite correct.

‘Technology has advanced and our weapons must keep up in order to maintain our deterrence capability.’

And to do otherwise is in contraindication of the Founders intent in Art 1, Sec 8 of the Constitution. See ‘Letters of Marque’


30 posted on 01/21/2013 1:08:22 PM PST by hockea (1z2z)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I knew one of them was Canadian. Thanks for the info.


31 posted on 01/21/2013 7:06:07 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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