Posted on 01/21/2013 1:40:50 PM PST by TigerClaws
And I’m sorry that you believe that an entire town has conspired to pretend that 20 children are dead, or worse that en entire town conspired to send 20 of their children to be executed (depending on whether you are a “nobody died hoax” or a “it was all staged death hoax” truther.
The worst part of this is that the incompetence of the media and the authorities is a real thing, and in fact is the explanation for everything that the conspiracy nuts claim “proves” that this was a hoax.
In other words, in order to attack the government and media, you use as absolute truth aspects of the reporting of government and media, to claim that OTHER aspects or reporting were lies.
Whereas in the real world, we understand that it will be months before the official reports are done and we see which parts of the initial reports were people just making crap up.
This happens with every crisis, and with every crisis, people latch onto some stupid inaccurate statements, and accept them as the absolute truth, and then measure every other statement based off the false premise.
But the video claims there were absolutely NO AMBULANCES. So I guess all those EMS crews are part of the conspiracy.
Don't feel bad, they seem to know nothing about the SAndy Hook shooting, just more crap being made up to see advertising hits or build up their lunacy street cred.
Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Wow, you live in Newtown, the same town where the shooting took place? It sounds like a really small town. Do you know any of the families of the children? Have you been seeing a lot of funerals take place since this took place? It would be interesting to hear what you personally know and saw - what you witnessed and continue to witness since the shootings. (as opposed to the terrible news accounts). Thanks!
sorry you think people are so stupid as to not be able to discern what is fact what is not and what is in a grey area.
This is a discussion forum and normally discussions go back and forth and people weigh what is presented and make their own decisions about the subject discussed.
As for me what I see fueling this whole Sandy Hook conspiracy talk is:
1. The Government has lied and continues to lie to us and has no credibility giving a breeding ground for conspiracy thoughts.
2. the MSM continues to slant the truth and be agenda driven which leaves them with no credibility.
3. In a rush to be first news reports were all over the place and retractions have not been very forthcoming.
4.The Connecticut State and local Police have a big time failure at public relations. Threatening people with investigation and punishment for posing theories is enough to make one laugh, apparently they haven’t heard of the first amendment. Failure to have given accurate reports to the news media also caused misinformation. Their shut down of information is not what happens in a free society with a free press, it is a reminder of dictatorship countries not free countries.
5. The way the politicians have staged events over the last few decades Ruby Ridge Waco Fast and Furious etc gives anyone the idea that their plan of gun control could include killing innocent people to accomplish it. If these things had not happened much less fuel would be available to light conspiracy fires.
6. politicians jumped on this with both feet without even proper notice in New York. They have shown their desire to confiscate weapons and their disregard for facts adn resolving problems, just feel good legislation. They have had their plans like DiFrankenstein just waiting for an incident to propose it.
Until the curent administration is gone and law and order is restored the people have no reason to think anything coming from the govt is good for them including forcing Obamacare down their throat against the will of the people, and including gun control and they believe the govt is capable of doing anything including killing 400 Mexicans 2 federal agents and maybe even a few dozen children to get what they want.
I find it hard to believe that Sandy Hook is one big conspiracy but I feel obligated to question authority, who would have ever thought we could have a President with a fake birth certificate, a fake social security number and a fake draft registration? Anything is now possible.
End the life of adam, huh?
Hold onto yer hat cause this is one wild ride.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT-YtOVYIMQ&feature=youtu.be
Just watch the whole thing before reaching any conclusions.
FYI check the tweets on 12-14 early am by matt Coyne and Jerard Ferrai some are before 9:30 am obviously another mistake, makes you wonder if the govt didnt want people to believe in a conspiracy and planned to have all these discrepencies discovered, like an obviously fake birth certificate-in your face.
You are trying to lump all who question what happened into one boat when there are several different concerns I see in the thread:
1 did children really get killed or is the whole thing fake?
2 if children really got killed did Lanza do it or was it a special op hit? and Lanza the fall guy?
3. Did it happen like they said but assault weapon given more credit that due it?
4. was it just poor reporting that caused all this turmoil?
local news here:
ambulances
https://twitter.com/matt_coyne
9 am twitter
https://twitter.com/matt_coyne
I guess to satisfy some on this thread the children of Sandy Hook need to be dug up and inspected in person...photos can be faked....to put their twisted conspiracy theories to rest
Too many here have become the blind leading the blind.
And now they are claiming to have proof that the glass by the front door of the school was not broken despite the fact that a first responder noted it LIVE to dispatch and this mother saw it as well:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2980479/posts?page=132#132
And the picture that they claim shows the front door glass intact doesn’t show the front door at all. You’ve seen the picture. I think you’ve even posted it.
It wouldn’t take a genius to go to the scene and take a picture of the glass by the front door. It has been publicly viewable for over a month. If it is still intact then why haven’t any of the geniuses here gone there and taken pictures of it???
Odds are they haven’t because it was broken and still is
as it was the place where Lanza entered just as the police noted and even the factually-challenged here know it.
Except for all those AMBULANCES that are seen sitting around in the video.
Ohh that's right the kids forgot their part in the drill. They were supposed to smear themselves with blood and come out screaming so that those ambulances could take them away.
They decided to play dead inside instead. Well kids will be kids.
Holy carp.
<>Failure to have given accurate reports to the news media also caused misinformation.<>
What inaccurate piece of information has the Connecticut state police released???
<>Their shut down of information is not what happens in a free society with a free press<>
Baloney. It is standard police procedure while there is an active investigation. And most of what is publicly known and incontrovertible is available at multiple sources even wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
The real problem is that no matter what the Connecticut state police say there are those who will not like it and will disagree with it even though all the available evidence backs up the police and there is no evidence to the contrary. They are just plain old contrarians.
Are you going to apply the same standard to that video interview of the so-called expert who claims to have a picture of the glass intact at the school but doesn’t and thus clearly lied — or does he get a free pass for lying because he is a contrarian???
I don't know any of the SHS families personally, but my youngest has a classmate who lost a sibling - very sad. I live 10 minutes from the Flag Pole and saw some funeral processions, memorials in Sandy Hook, and the news media trucks, but didn't stop to gawk or interfere (I did feel like blocking the media cameras with my car - what a disgrace).
My concern now is the exploitation of the tragedy, mostly by the gun-grabbing left, which wasn't a surprise. Maybe it's because Newtown leans Right politically, so it's a chance to usurp the dialogue.
School security since 12/14 is also mostly superficial with a NPD squad car out front - access without "buzzing in" is still possible and the school district has only been sending vague emails on improvements/what's next with regards to security.
I tend to lump them all together, because frankly, most here don’t even bother saying WHAT their conspiracy theory is, just keep raising “questions” that lead nowhere.
At least you have provided a list of the possible theories of a conspiracy.
I think most people don’t because they can’t even type them without feeling ashamed of the ridiculousness of what they would say.
1- did children really get killed? In order for there to be NO DEAD CHILDREN, you would need a conspiracy of epic proportions. You need the entire school on board, including kids who would have to pretend their friends were gone. You need first responders to pretend they found kids, EMS units, hospitals, and the medical examiner. You need parents to hide their kids (forever?), or to somehow create fictional kids that would now be gone. You need funeral directors and the burial industry so you can put empty caskets into the ground. Of course, you need the President, homeland security, FBI, state and local police.
That is simply impossible.
2. Did Lanza do it, or was it a special Op Hit.
This is like “Who Shot Kennedy”, except with less intrigue. Granted I might be referencing incorrect reports here, because I didn’t study this one before posting, but we have reports Lanza was in the school the day before, and there was a fight. How did special ops get him to do that, if they then had to kill him and his mother elsewhere and drag him into the school?
And while we haven’t heard all the evidence, there were plenty of witnesses in the school, they are not all dead. We have the shooting reports, and we know the time between the shots and the response. How would special ops get out without being cited?
And what is the point of this? How would you talk a special ops team into killing kids, if the result is just to get gun control? Are there special ops people who hate guns that bad that they would kill kids? This one not only has no rational evidence, it makes no sense.
3. Are they blaming the wrong gun?
From my perspective, this is the least “crazy” theory, but also the most uninteresting. We don’t actually HAVE an official report of the shooting yet, and won’t for months. So I don’t believe we HAVE a gun to blame yet, we just have some random comments by different people involved about what gun they think was used.
I don’t see the media successfully pushing the “Lanza used an assault rifle, so we have to ban them” to any affect. Most of the assault weapons push is simply using Hook’s deaths to say something should be done, not really trying to claim that what they are doing would help in that case.
And whether he used the rifle or not, banning the rifle wouldn’t matter when they have told us he had handguns as well; they would have equally done the task, and I don’t see people thinking it would be a better outcome if he hadn’t used the rifle.
4. Poor Reporting?
We know for a fact there was poor reporting, because we can reference media reports that are contradictory. We can be pretty sure some people who were interviewed either accidentally or purposely got facts wrong, that isn’t a rare occurrence. There may be people pretending to be involved that weren’t, or shading their stories to push an agenda.
That isn’t something that gets sorted out in a day or two. I think people watch too much TV, and think that a good detective solves a new murder every week, and does so in 3 days. There will be weeks of interviews, of sifting through evidence, trying to piece together the event, and then there will be a story that won’t match everything sworn to, but will be a seasoned experienced crime investigator’s best effort at putting putting together a timeline that best matches the conflicting evidence.
I know that will not please everybody. Some will always seize on the minority information to claim there is some coverup. Once in a while, that might actually be true, either purposely or because we are all fallible.
But I have yet to see any compelling reason for me not to trust that the state and local police are going to try their best to get to the bottom of this incident, and put out the most accurate report they can.
Thank you so much for sharing your insight and information. Besides you and others on the media, I haven’t heard from anyone from that area. I will lean towards believing you since the media has left me confused. So, it means a lot to hear from you. Praying for peace for your home town.
FRegards
Re. 144, you are correct, of course. And since Adam Sandler is a conservative, I like it even better.
That is a whole 'nother set of conspiracies. Not sure any of them work out better or make us look saner than these conspiracies.
Yes, the actors theory is pretty odd. Also, corrections are never made to these videos when new information is found. Falsely accusing the parents and townspeople who are suffering through this terror is definently wrong because it is potentially hurtful to them. : (
There are a lot of unanswered questions and I do not understand why reporters are not digging into the case.
I agree. The father acted oddly. But, I see no sense in accusing him of being a faker or actor without more evidence because that is a very serious charge to make against a man in this situation.
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