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Japan Threatens To Fire On Chinese Fighters China Says 'There Will Be No Second Shot'
TBI ^ | 1-21-2013 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 01/21/2013 3:11:54 PM PST by blam

Japan Threatens To Fire On Chinese Fighters — China Says 'There Will Be No Second Shot'

Robert Johnson
January 21, 2013, 2:35 PM

When Chinese and Japanese fighters met for the first time over disputed islands in the East China Sea earlier this month, Japan promptly declared its right to fire tracers at China's jets.

Though met with outrage by China at the time, Japan continues promoting the live firing which Chinese military academics are calling the "first shot."

“Every country has procedures for how to deal with a violation of its territory that continues after multiple cautionary measures,” Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said Wednesday when asked if tracer shots would be fired against intruding aircraft that refuse to change course. “We have response measures ready that are consistent with global standards.”

If Japan is using the talk of tracer fire to gauge Chinese reaction, the tactic worked.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Sunday his country is on "high alert" and that Japan and the U.S. are ignoring the fact that "the islands are China’s inherent territory."

Never to be left out, Chinese military academics quoted in Beijing's state-run media provided far more fiery replies:

“Japan’s desire to fire tracer warning shots as a way of frightening the Chinese is nothing but a joke that shows the stupidity, cruelty and failure to understand their own limitations,” Maj. Gen. Peng Guangqian of the Chinese Academy of Military Sciences was quoted saying by the China News Service and other state media.

“Firing tracer bullets is a type of provocation; it’s firing the first shot,” he said. “Were Japan to dare to fire tracers, which is to say fire the first shot, then China wouldn’t stint on responding and not allow them to fire the second shot.”

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TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; islands; japan; obamasfault; surrenderobama; war; waronterror
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1 posted on 01/21/2013 3:12:06 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

China lamenting the fact “they have small penis”... /southpark


2 posted on 01/21/2013 3:16:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: blam

Offer them some sushi.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 3:16:44 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blam
If Japan keeps confronting the dragon, it needs to shed its restrictions about developing offensive military capabilities including nuclear weapons.
4 posted on 01/21/2013 3:18:41 PM PST by Truth29
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To: blam

The good news for Japan is that if Chinese weapons are anything like Chinese power tool, Japan has nothing to worry about.


5 posted on 01/21/2013 3:19:21 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: blam

“Peace in our time” - Barack Obama


6 posted on 01/21/2013 3:19:21 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: blam

China is serious, and Japan should...

1. Change name of Maritime Self Defense Force to NAVY

2. Announce plans for a carrier

3. Do away with “defense out to 1,000 mile marker”

4. Try to perform some joint exercises with South Korea

5. Station their people on the islands with AA assets


7 posted on 01/21/2013 3:25:21 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Truth29

“If Japan keeps confronting the dragon, it needs to shed its restrictions about developing offensive military capabilities including nuclear weapons.”

I’ll bet they started development when Obama failed to respond to the North Korean Cheonan Incident. When they saw that there was no I-got-your-back coverage for our long-time ally South Korea every American ally took notice and started developing nuclear weapons. I know I would. Japan will work through the political issues later. In the meantime, look for them to explode demonstration nuke at a propitious moment.


8 posted on 01/21/2013 3:27:43 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: blam

The Chinese aren’t stupid, and there is a butt load of bad blood for the Japanese throughout east Asia (historical karma).

The Japanese had best be prepared and not count on American help. Obama will side with his fellow communists.


9 posted on 01/21/2013 3:31:57 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

10 posted on 01/21/2013 3:35:08 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Truth29
If Japan keeps confronting the dragon, it needs to shed its restrictions about developing offensive military capabilities including nuclear weapons.

What makes you think that they haven't?

11 posted on 01/21/2013 3:35:40 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: muir_redwoods
The good news for Japan is that if Chinese weapons are anything like Chinese power tool, Japan has nothing to worry about.

So the PLA gets all of its stuff from Harbor Freight?

12 posted on 01/21/2013 3:38:01 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: blam

I think China is spoiling for a conflict because their economy is about to collapse and without war they will most certainly collapse....


13 posted on 01/21/2013 3:38:18 PM PST by GraceG
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To: blam
I've never heard of tracer ammunition that didn't have the destructive power of regular ammunition.

Is it okay if we only kill them with T, instead of just APIT ammunition, sir?
14 posted on 01/21/2013 3:40:54 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: gaijin

6. Activate NERV
7. Take the Evangelions out of mothballs...


15 posted on 01/21/2013 3:43:05 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: blam

Japan has fired the first shot in a war without warning against Russia and the United States. The PRC better be prepared.


16 posted on 01/21/2013 3:46:56 PM PST by AU72
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To: SampleMan
The Japanese had best be prepared and not count on American help. Obama will side with his fellow communists.

If Japan is wise they will stir up the Uyghurs, then obama won't know whether to support fellow muslims or fellow communists...

17 posted on 01/21/2013 3:47:30 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: Truth29

Japan is a six-day nuclear power. They have delivery vehicles, they have nuclear tech. The only thing they haven’t done is assembled a device. According to some reports, it would take Japan six days at most to assemble a device, stick it on top of one of their space program’s rockets, and send someone the unwelcome wagon card.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 3:52:43 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: gaijin
Not to worry, Japan has a secret weapon, a weapon more terrible than anything made by man.

Waiting, in the depths of the Pacific ocean - just waiting, waiting for the right moment to reveal itself.

This will happen when the time is right.

No one messes with Japan and gets away with it.

19 posted on 01/21/2013 3:57:07 PM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Both Nations want war—or near-war to distract their people from all the problems they are having—but a full fleded conflict isn’t in the cards—Fighting with an appeal to Obama and the UN to reach a peace? Deaths in the dozens—not thousands or millions. Maybe—Obama can earn his Peace Prize at long last.


20 posted on 01/21/2013 3:57:28 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Spktyr

A careful study by some US Naval War College authors, including information from an internal Japanese study leaked by the Japanese press, is that it would take 3-5 years for the Japanese to develop a usable nuclear warhead.


21 posted on 01/21/2013 3:59:53 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: andyk
This is curious isn't it? Both the Japanese and the Chinese are fully aware that tracer rounds can destroy a plane. The Japanese learned that in WWII and the Chinese learned that in the Korean war.

To me, the firing of a tracer is like the proverbial "shot across the bow." It means that the person firing the shot wants the other person to know that the round was real and if it were meant to hit, it would have.

22 posted on 01/21/2013 4:00:06 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: GraceG

If a war breaks out, I don’t see that helping their economy. They depend on exports. Initiating action against Japan would kill their exports to Japan and the US among others. It would be economic suicide.


23 posted on 01/21/2013 4:02:51 PM PST by kabar
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To: OKSooner

Mothra !!!! /S


24 posted on 01/21/2013 4:03:12 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Noumenon

Wouldn’t that be a great sketch on SNL?


25 posted on 01/21/2013 4:03:13 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: OKSooner

Half the time that weapon is used on Japan itself though.


26 posted on 01/21/2013 4:03:44 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Strategerist

I saw something about that - more than 10 years go. I’m reasonably sure the Japanese have one by now. So are a number of other experts.


27 posted on 01/21/2013 4:04:20 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: OKSooner
"Waiting, in the depths of the Pacific ocean - just waiting, waiting for the right moment to reveal itself. "


28 posted on 01/21/2013 4:05:13 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: OKSooner
No one messes with Japan and gets away with it.

Not sure what you are saying here. The U.S. certainly "messed" with the Japs after they attacked us on Dec. 7, 1941 and the emperor's representative was present on the deck of the Missouri to sign the surrender papers. I would call that messing with them and getting away with it.

29 posted on 01/21/2013 4:07:49 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: Strategerist
maybe a compact W88 type high yield thermonuclear weapon, but... simpler devices, i'm thinking not so much
30 posted on 01/21/2013 4:26:48 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: blam

Obama offers to hold a beer summit, can’t we all just get along?


31 posted on 01/21/2013 4:36:04 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
Obama offers to hold a beer summit, can’t we all just get along?

I'm afraid beer won't cut it. They need a saki/biajiu summit.

32 posted on 01/21/2013 4:42:58 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: gaijin

6. Buying a couple of our Ohio Class subs would also work. Better we sell them to Japan then give them to China.


33 posted on 01/21/2013 4:53:59 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: GraceG

You might be pretty close to the truth. I read on another site that there are 30,000,000 to 40,000 ,000 more men in the 20 - 40 year old range than there are women, owing to the one child edict. Girl babies are either aborted or killed. That leaves the guys with an unsatisfied testosterone problem. The theory is that China will initiate a war using these guys as cannon fodder. Not looking good. sd


34 posted on 01/21/2013 5:01:44 PM PST by shotdog (I love my country. It's our government I'm afraid of.)
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To: mc5cents

That’s because we never woke Godzilla


35 posted on 01/21/2013 5:02:04 PM PST by winodog (Thank you Jesus for the calm in my life)
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To: blam

Im leaning toward supporting China on tis one. Both are difficult to belieeve and always have a hidden agenda - but after working for the Japanese - ill support China.


36 posted on 01/21/2013 5:08:05 PM PST by Moleman
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To: Strategerist
A careful study by some US Naval War College authors, including information from an internal Japanese study leaked by the Japanese press, is that it would take 3-5 years for the Japanese to develop a usable nuclear warhead.

But when was that study made?

37 posted on 01/21/2013 5:13:44 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: mc5cents

They spent years in China from circa 1932 to 1945 and failed to conqueror her as well.


38 posted on 01/21/2013 5:18:35 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: BenLurkin

Wow! Barry can paint some wood shelving. Good for him, glad he found something he can do.

He sure makes a piss-poor president.

bobo


39 posted on 01/21/2013 5:44:03 PM PST by bobo1 (the KDE plasma desktop is awesome!)
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To: GraceG
I think China is spoiling for a conflict because their economy is about to collapse and without war they will most certainly collapse....

Hold your cards folks, I think we have a BINGO!

I hear so much stuff about how great the China economy is. The economies of all the big players of the world are built on a house of cards. When one of these players collapses, the rest are soon to follow, including China.

40 posted on 01/21/2013 6:08:48 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: Spktyr
Japan is a six-day nuclear power. They have delivery vehicles, they have nuclear tech. The only thing they haven’t done is assembled a device.

My gut feeling tells me they already assembled a device, and plans for a test detonation. The only thing not assembled is the trigger and nuclear fuel. They probably code-labeled it "popcorn machine" to keep it secret. If things get really hot, they may need it in 15 minutes, not six days. Problem is, using nukes is not a solution for either country. But publicly announcing one via a test, when China is hostile may work in Japan's favor to get China to back off.

41 posted on 01/21/2013 6:15:17 PM PST by roadcat
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To: OKSooner

Mark Your Time?


42 posted on 01/21/2013 6:18:32 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

??


43 posted on 01/21/2013 6:42:36 PM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Barry is a threat to world peace. The Chinese suspect that he would not retaliate, so why not go after Japan?

If they suspected that Baraka would retaliate, then there would be much less threat of war.


44 posted on 01/21/2013 6:49:02 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: OKSooner

Tentacle porn?


45 posted on 01/21/2013 6:49:45 PM PST by drunknsage
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To: blam
MAKE your time...
46 posted on 01/21/2013 6:51:15 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Thanks blam.

Yen has Longest Stretch of Weekly Losses Since 1989
Townhall.com | January21. 2013 | Mike Shedlock
Posted on 01/21/2013 1:34:30 PM PST by Kaslin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2980477/posts


47 posted on 01/21/2013 7:50:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Spktyr
Japan is a six-day nuclear power. They have delivery vehicles, they have nuclear tech. The only thing they haven’t done is assembled a device. According to some reports, it would take Japan six days at most to assemble a device, stick it on top of one of their space program’s rockets, and send someone the unwelcome wagon card.

Japan has no shortage of fissle material either.

48 posted on 01/21/2013 9:05:50 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: muir_redwoods
The good news for Japan is that if Chinese weapons are anything like Chinese power tool, Japan has nothing to worry about.

Sadly, I expect that their weapons are "Iphone" quality. They are perfectly capable of manufacturing a perfectly stable, high quality technical product.

Or the regime will take them out to the woods and find out why not...

49 posted on 01/22/2013 3:34:51 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
Sadly, I expect that their weapons are "Iphone" quality. They are perfectly capable of manufacturing a perfectly stable, high quality technical product.

Or the regime will take them out to the woods and find out why not...

Manufacturing is one thing when done under the guidance of a 3rd party, but research, design and development are another matter all together. Still, if they can steal enough technological know how, it's a moot point.

50 posted on 01/22/2013 10:56:30 AM PST by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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