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Bill Clinton to liberal donors: Donít condescend to gun owners
Hotair ^ | 01/21/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 01/21/2013 4:43:02 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Excellent advice but surely a total buzzkill for leftists, for whom the big gun-control push is at least as much a cultural struggle as it is a serious attempt to reduce mass shootings. Tightening the laws on background checks and banning high-capacity magazines might not stop future Sandy Hooks or Columbines but it will potentially force the yokels to behave in a bit more civilized fashion. Like they do in, say, Chicago.

Next he’ll be telling them not to use kids as props for their big gun-grab rituals. I thought this guy was supposed to be fun.

“Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said.

“A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,” Clinton said. “I know because I come from this world.”…

“A lot of these people … all they’ve got is their hunting and their fishing,” he told the Democratic financiers. “Or they’re living in a place where they don’t have much police presence. Or they’ve been listening to this stuff for so long that they believe it all.”

Clinton closed his remarks with a warning to big Democratic donors that ultimately many Democratic lawmakers will be defeated if they choose to stand with the president.

“Do not be self-congratulatory about how brave you [are] for being for this” gun control push, he said. “The only brave people are the people who are going to lose their jobs if they vote with you.”

The hunting/fishing line is a nice example of the difference between Clinton and Obama. When The One gets behind closed doors with like-minded ideologues, he’ll happily patronize rural culture by giving you his pet theory on why the bitter-clingers cling to their guns and Bibles so bitterly. Clinton won’t give you “why.” He’ll imply it (“all they’ve got”) but that extra bit of condescension, where hunting and religion and opposition to amnesty are supposedly all a byproduct of economic frustration, just isn’t there. You already know this if you watched the Democratic convention last year, but Clinton’s far the superior retail politician.

More good advice from the Big Dog about not overreaching on guns: “All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues.” I.e. it’s quite possible there’s a reckoning coming for Democrats in the midterms if anything major happens in Congress. Via Mediaite, here’s Shep Smith not caring much about that at all.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; billclinton; demagogicparty; democrats; guncontrol; gunowners; guns; secondamendment; slickwillie; slipperybill

1 posted on 01/21/2013 4:43:08 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Bill Clinton to liberal donors: Don’t condescend to gun owners”. Well Bill why would you think that your fellow liberals who treat gun owners with condescension would ever do otherwise. Maybe the Rhodes Scholar, that never was, is confused!


2 posted on 01/21/2013 4:48:48 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind. Here are his condescending remarks about condescension:
"A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things... I know because I come from this world... A lot of these people ... all they've got is their hunting and their fishing... Or they're living in a place where they don't have much police presence. Or they've been listening to this stuff for so long that they believe it all... Do not be self-congratulatory about how brave you [are] for being for this... The only brave people are the people who are going to lose their jobs if they vote with you."

3 posted on 01/21/2013 4:51:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Have you noticed how they’ve come out in the open in their war against Americans. Now they openly tell their people to fight Americans, to turn on their own.

Creepy that no one seems to notice an Administration that is advertising its war on the people on a daily basis.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 4:53:36 PM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t take down to them, just grind them into the pavement with your fascist boots.


5 posted on 01/21/2013 4:53:44 PM PST by DManA
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends


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6 posted on 01/21/2013 4:57:52 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: SeekAndFind
In 2000 Bill Clinton Wanted Cops in Schools Because of Columbine
7 posted on 01/21/2013 5:01:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: SeekAndFind
...leftists, for whom the big gun-control push is at least as much a cultural struggle as it is a serious attempt to reduce mass shootings.

Yes, at least, and in fact I'd say it's primarily a cultural struggle for them.

8 posted on 01/21/2013 5:03:49 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Question for the forum – can anyone point me to a reference sources that details how many gun owners there are in the country?


9 posted on 01/21/2013 5:19:27 PM PST by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: SeekAndFind
It will be interesting to see if "Anonymous" has integrity with regard to their stand on obama's gun control plans.

It will also be interesting to see if the eGOP has any integrity with regard to their swearing the oath of office, and enlistment if former military.

After thinking it through, I think I trust Anonymous more than I do the average eGOP drone.

obama has rolled the eGOP easily and at will, so there's little reason to think they won't roll over some more for him, especially if they can get back to spending big like when GWB was prez.

10 posted on 01/21/2013 5:22:07 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Voice of Reason1

How about going to a Gallup survey?

SEE HERE:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx


11 posted on 01/21/2013 5:24:14 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Every word of this from Clinton was excellent political advice. He knows first hand what can happen to legislators that support gun/magazine bans. They would ignore him at their peril. (I almost hope they do, as long as any legislation doesn’t pass.)


12 posted on 01/21/2013 5:44:07 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Voice of Reason1
Gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Google is your friend.

13 posted on 01/21/2013 6:01:23 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: SeekAndFind

“Even the Devil can quote Scripture.”


14 posted on 01/21/2013 6:30:52 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: SeekAndFind; ModelBreaker

Thank you kindly both of you – Perhaps my Googling skills are a bit lacking.

I tried searching on https://ixquick.com/

But came up short – thanks once again.


15 posted on 01/21/2013 7:17:01 PM PST by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank goodness it isn’t condescending to describe gun rights advocates as huntin’, fishin’ cretins from a remake of Deliverance, so stupid they actually believe in “this stuff” (Constitutional law, natural rights, and even this howler, the duty to oppose a tyrannical government?) Bill Clinton always contrives to have his cigar and smoke it too.

Clinton taught the Democrats to shut their mouths on gun control, long enough to get a lot of Congressmen and Senators elected who would not have been otherwise. Sounds like Bill might sense that the correct analogy for Obama’s Inaugural Speech was not Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, but Lee’s order to General Pickett. It is our job to make sure it is.


16 posted on 01/21/2013 7:37:34 PM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Chewbarkah

RE: Clinton taught the Democrats to shut their mouths on gun control, long enough to get a lot of Congressmen and Senators elected who would not have been otherwise.

I think he might also have taught Democrats the art of “evolving” one’s belief.

When Clinton first run for the Presidency, he was adamant about not wanting to raise taxes to solve the then, deficit problem. Guess what? After he got elected, He RAISED taxes saying ( actually lying ) that he did not realize how bad the deficit was until he came to office.

Obama learned his lesson well. He was against gay marriage before he “evolved” in his beliefs.

So, henceforth, when someone lies while running for office to conceal his real agenda, he can always use the word “EVOLVED”.


17 posted on 01/21/2013 7:43:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Bill knows all about hunting.......his hunting grounds? An inauguration.
18 posted on 01/21/2013 7:53:07 PM PST by tioga
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To: tioga

Is that the first American Idol, Kelly Clarkson?

She’s engaged to be married.


19 posted on 01/21/2013 7:57:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Chewbarkah

Well said.


20 posted on 01/21/2013 7:57:51 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Voice of Reason1

I have no handy reference source....but my answer is “More than enough”

Molon Labe!!!


21 posted on 01/21/2013 8:19:19 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (My carry permit was issued in 1791.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Voice of Reason1
Question for the forum – can anyone point me to a reference sources that details how many gun owners there are in the country?
Per SeekAndFind’s Gallup link:
One in Three Americans [Adults] Personally Own a Gun.
Per http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_owners_are_there_in_the_United_States_of_America:
Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns)
Annually there are roughly 15,000 gun murders in the US; if you divide that number into 45 million households with guns, you come up with about 3,000 households with guns for every (annual) gun murder.
Which only means that an awful lot of people legally buy guns with no intention of murdering with them. Nearly all guns are bought for legitimate reasons.

A gun is a responsibility. You know, like a car, or a swimming pool. There are people who earn their living by carrying and if necessary using a gun; policemen and security guards for example. There are even instances when men have been legally required to carry, and to shoot, guns - and even to fire cannons. It was called, "the military draft.” The fact that people have the inherent right to assume the responsibility entailed by gun possession is explicit in the Constitution. The choice to exercise that right is a prudential, rather than a moral, issue.


22 posted on 01/22/2013 9:46:18 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which ¬ďliberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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Annually there are roughly 15,000 gun murders in the US;
According to UN figures via WaPo the number of gun hommicides in America is not 5 per hundred thousand but about 3.25 per hundred thousand. Times 10 (hundred thousand per million) and times 300 million Americans yields not 15,000 but “only” (each one a tragedy) 9750 gun homicides annually.
if you divide that number into 45 million households with guns, you come up with about 4,600 households with guns for every (annual) gun murder.
An awful lot of people own guns for reasons other than committing murder. As noted above, the Constitution asserts that they have a right to do so. It takes a 2/3 majority in Congress to propose an amendment, and a simple majority in 3/4 of the state legislatures to ratify it. I doubt that the adults who own, or reserve the right to contemplate owning, a gun will be persuaded to defer to the “wisdom” of a few children who don’t understand the Constitution and may not know the difference between a thousand and a million on the prudential issue of the risk/benefit ratio of gun ownership.

23 posted on 01/22/2013 4:50:39 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which ¬ďliberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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