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U.S. Post Office cuts threaten source of black jobs
Reuters ^ | Jan 21, 2013 | Mary Wisniewski

Posted on 01/21/2013 8:29:48 PM PST by Lancey Howard

(Reuters) - While delivering mail on Chicago's North Side, Lakesha Dortch-Hardy spoke about how much she loves her job at the U.S. Postal Service, and how much it would hurt if jobs such as hers were to disappear.

"These jobs are the middle class ..." said Dortch-Hardy, a tall, energetic 38-year-old, who took long strides as she wheeled her cart along a row of two- and three-story brick apartment houses. "Without this job, I don't know where I'd be right now."

The cash-strapped U.S. Postal Service has eliminated 168,000 jobs since 2006, and more cuts could result as it struggles to avoid its own "fiscal cliff." As the United States honors Martin Luther King's civil rights legacy on Monday, many African-American workers may be facing new obstacles to achieving and maintaining a middle-class life style.

African-Americans represent 13.1 percent of the U.S. population and 11.6 percent of the labor force, according to a 2012 U.S. Department of Labor report. Nearly one in five African-American workers hold government jobs such as mail clerks, firefighters and teachers, the report said.

"There's a long tradition of the public sector being more friendly, or less hostile, to African-American workers," said Robert Zieger, emeritus professor of history at the University of Florida in Gainesville. "The Post Office is the best example."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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1 posted on 01/21/2013 8:29:50 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I’m sorry, I didn’t know jobs came in colors.


2 posted on 01/21/2013 8:31:02 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Nearly one in five African-American workers hold government jobs such as mail clerks, firefighters and teachers, the report said.

Well, in the private sector, you have to actually be capable of making a contribution ...

3 posted on 01/21/2013 8:33:11 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Sure they do. If you are white and don’t have prior military service you cant gat a job with the postal service. But if you are African American you get hired and in no time at all you be a pos master Bro.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 8:33:37 PM PST by cquiggy
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To: Lancey Howard

USPS: Minorities and retired military. I read somewhere recently that the USPS really needs to shed 250,000 positions. I just hope that the one’s in my local PO are on the list. They go out of their way to treat the patrons with as much disrespect as they can get away with. These jerks watch the clock and don’t stay at their station one second into their breaks!


5 posted on 01/21/2013 8:35:46 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Lancey Howard

USPS: Minorities and retired military. I read somewhere recently that the USPS really needs to shed 250,000 positions. I just hope that the one’s in my local PO are on the list. They go out of their way to treat the patrons with as much disrespect as they can get away with. These jerks watch the clock and don’t stay at their station one second into their breaks!


6 posted on 01/21/2013 8:35:46 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Shadowstrike

News to me, also.


7 posted on 01/21/2013 8:37:27 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Lancey Howard

Its a sad state of affairs.

I was shocked when the deaths from the anthrax after 9/11 included a black college classmate of mine. I was saddened that after getting the college degree from a prestigious university he had gone to work in the post office. Afraid of competing? Comfortable family historical job?

Did the article mention that the USPS is losing 9 billion per year?


8 posted on 01/21/2013 8:38:51 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Lancey Howard

Hey USPS, here’s an idea. Issue an Obama portrait postage stamp limited edition, historic claptrap appeal and all that BS and charge extra for it. The sheeples will fork over their welfare and SS dollar to obtain them. That oughta funnel back in a few more redistributed greens.


9 posted on 01/21/2013 8:39:50 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Lancey Howard

Didn’t know the post office ran black ops


10 posted on 01/21/2013 8:41:34 PM PST by doc1019
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To: sgtyork

Well, the blacks vote, what, 97 percent dim? Where do they think that money for jobs, theirs included, will come from if they constantly vote against the producers?


11 posted on 01/21/2013 8:41:56 PM PST by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Lancey Howard
Nearly one in five African-American workers hold government jobs such as mail clerks, firefighters and teachers, the report said.

That's a huge percentage, and a lot of families. It follows that many blacks would not support a political party that campaigns on the premise of smaller, limited government. There is another thread going here at FR where a freeper was told by a postal clerk that he voted for Ubama because Romney would close down his post office.

12 posted on 01/21/2013 8:42:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Someone fax me a crying towel.


13 posted on 01/21/2013 8:44:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Nearly one in five African-American workers hold government jobs such as mail clerks, firefighters and teachers, the report said.

I would say that it is prima facie evidence of job discrimination. The percentage of black employees is significantly out of line with their percentage in the general population. Somebody call the ACLU.

14 posted on 01/21/2013 8:44:56 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: sgtyork
Did the article mention that the USPS is losing 9 billion per year?

Or more?...

Last week, the Postal Service Board of Governors met to discuss a range of cost-cutting measures to strengthen the service's finances following the loss of a staggering $15.9 billion in fiscal year 2012.

15 posted on 01/21/2013 8:45:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
This story in no way sways me from my opinion of the USPS and their documented history of public and commercial service.

HEE-hee-hahahahahahahahahaha..........

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

16 posted on 01/21/2013 8:48:33 PM PST by Viking2002
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To: oldbrowser

> I would say that it is prima facie evidence of job discrimination. The percentage of black employees is significantly out of line with their percentage in the general population. Somebody call the ACLU.

The ACLU doesn’t care about reverse racism or any situation where white people are affected because it doesn’t get their names in the news.


17 posted on 01/21/2013 8:48:56 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Lancey Howard

Good. Let em all go stand in line outside the white house for a job. Massah barack will take care of them.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 8:49:24 PM PST by gotribe (obama = the Great Divider)
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To: angry elephant
The Postal Service has been hurt by a switch to electronic mail from paper communication, as well as onerous retiree payments to the government.

The Postal Service, self-funded by postage sales, blames most of the losses on a pre-funding requirement enacted by Congress in 2006 that requires it to make annual payments of nearly $5.5 billion in health benefits for future retirees.

Those mean Republicans again. How dare they force workers to pay for their own Rolls Royce retirement bennies.

19 posted on 01/21/2013 8:49:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: angry elephant
Where do they think that money for jobs, theirs included, will come from if they constantly vote against the producers?

That's a good question, ely, but so is the easy answer: they don't (think.)

Just as my former ex-employer, a hi tech company, didn't think when it laid off 10% of the IT department staff, to export their jobs to Bangalore, didn't think how that would affect the U.S. economy and in the end after all itself as well! Neither did any other U.S. employer exporting American jobs, despite growing revenues (as mine had), because all of us, individuals and corporate managers, think only about ourselves and our own interests, which characteristic is so admired by the worshipping Ayn Rand fans. In the end, there is something to the Left's slogan "Think globally, act locally!"

20 posted on 01/21/2013 8:51:27 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Lancey Howard
what he meant to say is that blacks are over represented in govt by a long shot because of affirmative auction....

if the USPS is losing money, they must streamline even more, and that means fewer jobs....

as always, its not so much the pay as it is the benefits and the pensions....

gee....if pensions weren't so high, maybe they could keep more actual workers on...

21 posted on 01/21/2013 8:53:02 PM PST by cherry
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To: Lancey Howard

Over-representation.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 8:54:11 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Lancey Howard

Elections have consequences. Which means they’ll just raise postal rates to avert affecting ‘black jobs’.


23 posted on 01/21/2013 9:08:34 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Lancey Howard

This story reminds me of an old joke, regarding a shoe store chain, and their commonality with The Postal Service. Anyone ?


24 posted on 01/21/2013 9:13:37 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: cherry

Why do I see another “bailout” coming, courtesy (of course) of private sector taxpayers who don’t get half the retirement bennies that government workers get?


25 posted on 01/21/2013 9:14:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Worst-rated PO in the country is Merrifield, VA in the Peoples Demokratic Socialist Republik of Fairfax County, outside of Washington, D.C.

Gee, I wonder why?


26 posted on 01/21/2013 9:20:40 PM PST by twister881
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To: Lancey Howard

This situation really is not about ‘jobs’. It is about how to sustain an ongoing wealth transfer to a minority group that lacks the education and marketable skills to compete in the private economy.

The fact that these obsolete jobs pay upwards of $50K annually with full benefits and essentially ‘tenure’ amounts to another entitlement that has to be dealt with. Looking at the Bureau of Labor Statistics from 2009 to 2010, the federal job rolls grew by a million from 2009 to 2010 from 15 to 16 million. A lot of that is Homeland Security, another largely intrusive and unproductive cost drain.

The Congress hasn’t got the will to stand up to Obama and the Democrats. When default comes, and it will, our collapsed government will bring us to Civil War II.


27 posted on 01/21/2013 9:25:39 PM PST by untwist
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To: Lancey Howard

Sympathy can be found in any Webster dictionary...... it’s between sh!t and syphilis.


28 posted on 01/21/2013 9:36:49 PM PST by Gator113 (Leave my guns alone and REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS!!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Around the DC area, there is a strong black middle class. Many are highly educated with master’s degrees or higher, and have pretty strong families. Most are directly or indirectly connected to government money though, and so they will vote to keep the money flowing as long as possible. But when the inevitable cuts have to happen, they will be cut like everyone else. They will have to take a step down in pay when they enter the private sector, but it isn’t like they don’t have any marketable skills. They will survive.


29 posted on 01/21/2013 9:37:46 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
They will have to take a step down in pay when they enter the private sector, but it isn’t like they don’t have any marketable skills. They will survive.

LOL, I sure am glad to hear that.

30 posted on 01/21/2013 9:43:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jttpwalsh

The article made me think of that too.


31 posted on 01/21/2013 9:48:02 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: vette6387

” I read somewhere recently that the USPS really needs to shed 250,000 positions.”

TRUE...but based on what our postman told us directly. Our downtown office is close by one of the busiest hubs in America, the L.A. Alameda office, and this dude (yeah, he’s a black dude) claims they are overwhelmed and “hiring”.


32 posted on 01/21/2013 10:02:00 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: max americana

Notice how the comrade from Reuters doesn’t mention that the Chicago area has the second-worst delivery rate of any PO in the nation.


33 posted on 01/21/2013 10:12:35 PM PST by jeff19
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To: max americana

“TRUE...but based on what our postman told us directly”

I think it’s probably like the nonsense that goes on with the airlines post “deregulation.” There are a lot of places where a window at the back of the local hardware store would do just fine, but the USPS, in all its wisdom, went ahead and built a building that is underutilized and overstaffed. They’ve gotten away with not “running the operation out of the till” until now, but the Congress isn’t in the position of bankrolling them any longer. Still, thanks to Harry Reid, you have “scheduled air service” from Ely to Las Vegas. Often the plane flies empty and Harry makes sure that Uncle picks up the tab!


34 posted on 01/21/2013 10:12:39 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Lancey Howard

Well, first I would rather see employees like emeritus professor of history Robert Zieger lose their cushy jobs. He doesn’t even deliver my mail.


35 posted on 01/21/2013 10:16:59 PM PST by Mark (For the first time in my life, I'm no longer proud of my country.)
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To: jeff19

One thing we noticed is that when we send Priority into Chi-town, the rates almost double. we only use UPS or Fedex when shipping more than 1 pound to that sh*tty city.


36 posted on 01/21/2013 10:19:37 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Lancey Howard

Lets think about the real world here for a second.

There is nothing the post office does better than any method of communication and their parcel delivery is substandard to UPS and FedEx. Trust me, never send a 2-3 package to any country using the USPS.


37 posted on 01/21/2013 10:23:01 PM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: vette6387

I go to the post office a couple of days a week and the people who work there are minorities but they really are nice and they do work hard. Now there is another Po 2 cities over and they are also minorities but they are total slackers.


38 posted on 01/21/2013 11:40:54 PM PST by funfan
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To: ClearCase_guy

Unless that private sector job is a Unionized job.


39 posted on 01/21/2013 11:51:17 PM PST by matt04
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To: muawiyah

ping...


40 posted on 01/22/2013 12:56:08 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: ClearCase_guy

not completely fair. It could also be that “my dad/uncle/mom/aunt worked there, so it’s the easiest thing to get in to”


41 posted on 01/22/2013 12:57:35 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: cherry; muawiyah
Muawiyah, an ex-postie, had some really good ideas. If I recall correctly, the changes are quite simple -- two stand out in my mind:
  1. the USPS is nominally supposed to pay for itself, but increases in prices must be agreed by Congress, so getting rid of this is a step
  2. Saturday post to be stopped

42 posted on 01/22/2013 1:03:38 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: cherry; muawiyah
Muawiyah, an ex-postie, had some really good ideas. If I recall correctly, the changes are quite simple -- two stand out in my mind:
  1. the USPS is nominally supposed to pay for itself, but increases in prices must be agreed by Congress, so getting rid of this is a step
  2. Saturday post to be stopped

Must add in the caveat -- I, personally, don't know anything about the way the postal service works, so can't contribute personally to this discussion except by pinging a person (muawiyah) who does know, a lot

43 posted on 01/22/2013 1:04:34 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: jttpwalsh

Buster Brown?


44 posted on 01/22/2013 1:09:31 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: angry elephant
"Well, the blacks vote, what, 97 percent dim? Where do they think that money for jobs, theirs included, will come from if they constantly vote against the producers?"

Obama's stash - end of analysis ... or maybe I got you reelected, now pay up.

45 posted on 01/22/2013 1:18:44 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Cronos
Saturday Delivery requires an additional 20% of Delivery Carriers just to provide fill in coverage as Utility Personnel with unassigned Routes. Delivery Carriers have Sunday off and a rotating second day off. S/M, S/T, S/W. S/TH, S/F, SAT/S, repeat.

Add to that the necessary additional Staff to cover Sick Leave and Vacation time and the cost is astronomical.

All scheduled Mail Routes must be completed, requiring the same number of Staff to be out on the road every day. The Logistics require inflated “stand by” Staffing, there is no way around it without disrupting required service levels.

Getting rid of Saturday Delivery would be a big first step, but it won't completely stop the hemorrhaging.

46 posted on 01/22/2013 1:23:46 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: vette6387

I live in a suburban/rural area outside a mid sized city of 200,000. There are 6 small post offices within 5 miles of my house. All of them could be closed and their retail operations subcontracted to card shops, hardware stores, UPS, stores or other private retail operations.

Saturday delivery is a long needed cost savings that should result in significant savings. Retiree medical benefits should also be eliminated for current employees. Most private sector companies have dropped retiree medical over the last decade. In suburban/urban areas delivery at the door should be eliminated and replaced with curbside boxes (like in rural areas or in unsafe neighborhoods with community stations with locked individual boxes such as those employed in many newer planned communities.

Congress “privatized” the post office years ago but tied the hands of management so it couldn’t execute the kinds of cost savings measures that would result in the elimination of large numbers of jobs or reduce employee benefits. The inability of Congress to privatize this agency successfully suggests there will never be meaningful reductions in agency bureaucracies.


47 posted on 01/22/2013 2:09:45 AM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Truth29

This reporter was obviously racist. Why else would he make that one guy look so ignorant by incluing his opinion that an Executive Order could actually be used to save a Federal program? /s

Seriously, coming soon: here’s why Federal budget cuts are racist.


48 posted on 01/22/2013 2:22:48 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Lancey Howard
"There's a long tradition of the public sector being more friendly, or less hostile, to African-American workers," said Robert Zieger, emeritus professor of history at the University of Florida in Gainesville. "The Post Office is the best example."

No professor, there's a very, very short tradition. The history of government and black people is slavery. What a dummy.

49 posted on 01/22/2013 3:22:23 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Lancey Howard

So why should I care? Do blacks concern themselves with jobs for whites?


50 posted on 01/22/2013 3:25:54 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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