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Is Obamacare Socialism or Fascism?
america spectator ^ | 1.18.13 | David carton

Posted on 01/22/2013 6:48:38 AM PST by Mozilla

It seemed that the grocery chain’s CEO, John Mackey, was that elusive creature for whom Diogenes searched so fruitlessly — an honest man. Mackey is currently promoting his new book, Conscious Capitalism, and has therefore subjected himself to a series of media interviews, including one recently broadcast on NPR.

During that interview, he was asked if his opinion of Obamacare had changed since he wrote, in the Wall Street Journal, “All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments.” He answered as follows: “Technically speaking, it’s more like fascism. Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn’t own the means of production, but they do control it — and that’s what’s happening with our health care programs and these reforms.”

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He was questioned about his heresy by Norah O’Donnell on CBS This Morning. His response to her interrogation was disappointingly craven: “Well, I think that was a bad choice of words on my part … What I know is that we no longer have free enterprise capitalism in health care, it’s not a system any longer where people are able to innovate, it’s not based on voluntary exchange. The government is directing it. So we need a new word for it. I don’t know what the right word is.”

OK, Mr. Mackey, if it’s not socialism and it’s not fascism and it’s not capitalism, what precisely is it? The humbled Whole Foods magnate made another attempt on Huffpost:

“I regret using that word now because it’s got so much baggage attached to it.… Of course, I was just using the standard dictionary definition.… I think I’m going to use the phrase government-controlled health care. That’s where we’re evolving to right now.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fascism; obamacare; socialism; wholefoods
Pleas read the full article. It is hard to do synopses when so much of it is worth mentioning and there is a back story needing to be posted to understand which in this case is Whole Food CEO John Mackey trying to describe what Obamacare really is, Is it socialist, fascist or some anti-free market government run take over of the health care system.
1 posted on 01/22/2013 6:48:48 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

One of my Christmas Gifts was a Gift card for Whole Foods.

Thinking the place would be a hotbed of looney left wing envrirowacky liberalism, I dreaded going there to use my gift card.

I feel a lot better about it now.


2 posted on 01/22/2013 6:51:47 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: Mozilla

“Is Obamacare Socialism or Fascism?”

Or the banana peel one steps on. When the socialists run out of other people’s money, it will become fascism!


3 posted on 01/22/2013 6:52:47 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Mozilla

Obamacare is TOTALITARIANISM.


4 posted on 01/22/2013 6:54:14 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Mozilla
"Is Obamacare Socialism or Fascism?"

Yes.
5 posted on 01/22/2013 6:57:57 AM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Mozilla

ThoughtCrime.

Don’t offend Big Brother.


6 posted on 01/22/2013 6:58:43 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Before we argue, are you approved to speak by the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms and Speech?)
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To: BuffaloJack

Exactly! +1

Splitting hairs between definitions of the two is useless.

They both devolve into tyranny in the end.

Kind of like choosing which road to hell has the better scenery.


7 posted on 01/22/2013 7:00:54 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: left that other site

It IS a “hotbed of looney left wing envrirowacky liberalism”. We have one that my wife and I go to once a week or so. It’s a great store! Awesome beef! But if you ever wondered where a guy with purple hair, neck tattoos and multiple piercings gets a job, look no more.


8 posted on 01/22/2013 7:03:22 AM PST by albie
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To: BuffaloJack

Obamacare is TOTALITARIANISM.

Exactly


9 posted on 01/22/2013 7:03:32 AM PST by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: Mozilla
Is it socialist, fascist or some anti-free market government run take over of the health care system.

How about anarchist or maybe utopianist?

10 posted on 01/22/2013 7:04:56 AM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: albie

Ha ha ha.

You are correct!


11 posted on 01/22/2013 7:04:56 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: Mozilla

This is a whole new thing.

It is all the worst of Crony Capitalism, combined with all the worst of Socialism.

Obammunism: Crony Socialism.


12 posted on 01/22/2013 7:05:17 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mozilla
He answered as follows: “Technically speaking, it’s more like fascism.

The lib reporter's head must have exploded.

13 posted on 01/22/2013 7:05:28 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: albie
But if you ever wondered where a guy with purple hair, neck tattoos and multiple piercings gets a job, look no more.

Ah. Whole Foods. Where the guy with purple hair, neck tattoos, multiple piercings, and not enough qualifications to work at Starbucks winds up. Would you like an STD with that bean curd?

14 posted on 01/22/2013 7:32:09 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: All

I refuse to step foot in Whole Foods... I don’t need free range, fair trade, PBA-free, organic starfruit for nothin’. I’ll stick to the staple items available from my local farmer and my own garden.

Very often, if the topic of soybeans comes up, I let people know I refuse to eat soybeans... and rarely do I point out that soy, especially for males, is TOXIC (please do your own research).

What I do say when in mixed company, however, is that I don’t eat soy or processed foods (that all contain soy) because it “Makes people vote for Democrats”.

Shopping at Whole Foods... same deal.


15 posted on 01/22/2013 7:32:38 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

The difference between socialism/communism/fascism is much like the difference between Coke and Pepsi. They are slightly different flavors of the same thing.


16 posted on 01/22/2013 7:55:18 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

Forms of Govt. explained very well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei7Xv_Z0tgI


17 posted on 01/22/2013 8:01:35 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: Mozilla

It is fascism designed to fail and give rise to a socialist system, single payer.


18 posted on 01/22/2013 8:11:24 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: left that other site

You know what I feel a lot better about?

Telling my liberal Birkenstockinlaws that their beloved Whole Foods is run by a.... dun dun DUN!

CAPITALIST!


19 posted on 01/22/2013 8:14:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bigtoona

Liberals try to deny that 0bama is a socialist,
and more to the point, that THEY, as his supporters, aren’t socialists by association,

by pointing at the definition of socialism (gov’t owning the means of production and distribution).

To which I reply, yeah, you’re right, he’s more of a fascist by definition, but the result is the same - no freedom for you and I, total power for him and his chosen few.


20 posted on 01/22/2013 8:22:01 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Mozilla
Yess!!
21 posted on 01/22/2013 9:15:45 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: Mozilla
Yess!!
22 posted on 01/22/2013 9:15:56 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: Mozilla
Yess!!
23 posted on 01/22/2013 9:16:16 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: Mozilla
Yes!!
24 posted on 01/22/2013 9:16:20 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: Mozilla
Yes!!
25 posted on 01/22/2013 9:16:20 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: Mozilla
Yes!!
26 posted on 01/22/2013 9:16:20 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: Mozilla

YES!!


27 posted on 01/22/2013 9:16:52 AM PST by Col. Bob (To give in is to commit national suicide)
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To: BuffaloJack

It is Totalitarian in many ways. Force is Obama’s goal if people will not go along willingly. Obama is the worst.


28 posted on 01/22/2013 10:32:36 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

John Kass

Doctor probes teen on guns in the home - January 23, 2013 - In pro-gun-regulation Illinois — where politicians would rather play gun control politics than fight the murderous street gangs — a young man was admitted to the hospital.

Read at:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0123-20130123,0,1990132.column

When the page loads click your PRINT PREVIEW to read the article.


29 posted on 01/23/2013 6:29:59 AM PST by KeyLargo
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