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DHS: Sport rifle (AR-15) “suitable for personal defense"
RadioViceOnline ^ | 1-15-13 | Steve McGough

Posted on 01/22/2013 7:41:54 AM PST by Texas Eagle

Department of Homeland Security: Sport rifle (AR-15) “suitable for personal defense”

Posted by Steve McGough on January 15, 2013 at 8:28 am

The United States Department of Homeland Security has stated a rifle chambered in 5.56 NATO (compatible with .223) with a magazine capacity of 30 rounds is “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters…”

Well smack me up-side the head. First, a hat tip to Breitbart’s Awr Hawkins who pointed us to a posted General Services Administration (GSA) business opportunity solicitation posted and updated last summer. Basically, the site posts a request for proposal (RFP) for personal defense weapons for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

This RFP is not for the traditional armed forces. This solicitation is specific to law enforcement who almost exclusively work within and along the borders of the United States. Certainly the threats ICE officers may be subject to are the same exact threats law-abiding residents could be subject to.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ar15; banglist; borderwars; dhs; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment; uncontrol

1 posted on 01/22/2013 7:42:09 AM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle

Good. I loaded up on 30-round magazines several years ago when the prices were still quite reasonable. I won’t be giving them up, or even registering them anytime soon.


2 posted on 01/22/2013 7:44:30 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Texas Eagle

This could be big for any future legal challenges of state or the national gun bans. Because when the Supreme Court overturned the DC handgun ban in “Heller” their reasoning was handguns had a self-defense use. That is also why the gun grabbers have started this mantra “Assault Weapons are weapons of war with “no practical use”.


3 posted on 01/22/2013 7:47:35 AM PST by apillar
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To: Texas Eagle
The DHS will just carve out a double standard for its enforcement officers, just the way NY cops are aghast that the recent New York gun bill doesn't grant them such:

Cops Are Outraged That New York's New Magazine Limit Could Apply to Them

4 posted on 01/22/2013 7:49:03 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Texas Eagle

That’s nice, but they ain’t playin’ nice. It doesn’t matter what the DHS deems or doesn’t deem. All it would take is for the BATFABCDE to decree that the AR-15 with a 30-round magazine “has no sporting purpose”.


5 posted on 01/22/2013 7:52:06 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Texas Eagle

6 posted on 01/22/2013 7:53:04 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: coloradan

I’m not a sportsman and I never was.


7 posted on 01/22/2013 7:58:57 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Nice to know, but their opinion doesn’t matter in the Constitutional sense.


8 posted on 01/22/2013 7:58:59 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Texas Eagle
An AR-15 is good for personal defense for LEOs. But, we're not LEOs. We're nobodies.

Everyone knows LEOs (as well as celebs, politicians, other elites and their children) are potential targets. That's why THEY need personal defense and WE don't.

/sarcasm

9 posted on 01/22/2013 8:04:09 AM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: coloradan

*** to decree that the AR-15 with a 30-round magazine “has no sporting purpose”.***

I believe that the Clinton ban had a statement in it that a rifle designed for sporting use may not be considered for sporting use by the Government.


10 posted on 01/22/2013 8:04:23 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: chris37

Neither am I. But let’s be real about what motivates the BATFABCDE.


11 posted on 01/22/2013 8:10:22 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Texas Eagle

“The United States Department of Homeland Security has stated a rifle chambered in 5.56 NATO (compatible with .223) with a magazine capacity of 30 rounds
is “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters…”

I would strongly suggest wearing hearing protection especially when firing indoors. Deafness and/or tinnitus are not your friends.


12 posted on 01/22/2013 8:19:59 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: coloradan

Oh I know what their motivations are, but it is my motivations that I will follow.


13 posted on 01/22/2013 8:22:26 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Yep, DHS wants select fire NATO 5.56mm rifles with folding stocks, rails, and 30 round magazines for "personal defense" use but wants to deny weapons without the select fire capability to citizens. I guess from the government's point of view only they need to defend themselves.

Whatever argument the federal government is making that citizens don't need modern rifles for personal defense is completely undercut by their own purchase request. DHS has no military role, simply protection of life and property in the USA, which is a right of other citizens too. If citizens don't need rifles with 30 round magazines to protect themselves, neither do the DHS employees.

And realistically, DHS doesn't need select fire weapons, nobody should be laying down suppressive fire in a typical law enforcement situation.

14 posted on 01/22/2013 8:24:16 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Texas Eagle

I think the RFQ in question was for “personal defense weapons” based on a number of parameters other than the caliber. Such as: sub-16” barrel, 20” overall (collapsed/folded) length, etc. In other words, NFA-registerable “short-barrelled rifles”, where we peons are concerned.


15 posted on 01/22/2013 8:35:45 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Texas Eagle

**** is “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters…”****

Back in 1934, there was an attempt to place handguns on the taxed list along with machine guns. It was claimed that people preferred to use rifles for home defense.

I believe the NRA was instrumental in removing handguns from the taxed list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act


16 posted on 01/22/2013 8:40:46 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Texas Eagle
Basically, the site posts a request for proposal (RFP) for personal defense weapons for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Personal defense for ME, not for THEE, PROLES!

17 posted on 01/22/2013 8:50:27 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: dirtboy
...just the way NY cops are aghast that the recent New York gun bill doesn't grant them such...

They know the baddies will pay no attention to gun laws. The cops don't want to be out-gunned.

18 posted on 01/22/2013 8:53:27 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Texas Eagle

The M16 would not be my First Choice for a PDW.My First Choice would be an FN P-90.

The P-90 is designed for Close quarters combat and if someone has broke into your home that’s what your going to have.


19 posted on 01/22/2013 9:02:42 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Oh, golly. The elite have spoken. We have permission to accept what our eyes and brains tell us now. Woo hoo!


20 posted on 01/22/2013 9:08:58 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
I would strongly suggest wearing hearing protection especially when firing indoors. Deafness and/or tinnitus are not your friends.

WHAT?????

21 posted on 01/22/2013 9:11:35 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: puppypusher
My FFL had a PS-90 (semi-auto version) a few years back. It's an odd duck. Ammo was hard to find at the time and prospects for a good supply didn't look good. As such, I passed on the opportunity. Topped with a Trijicon sight for low light use, it is pretty capable. The brass drops straight down and it is ambidextrous (fired equally well by a left handed or right handed shooter).
22 posted on 01/22/2013 9:16:23 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: chris37

I assume by “sportsman” they mean “hunting & fishing”, I do both. The term “sportsman has also been used to describe some who engage in other activities that don’t include me. I don’t consider myself a “sportsman” either and I don’t consider my right to own firearms has anything to do with hunting or any other “sporting” purposes. Any other uses besides protection which includes personsl, family, community and country are a fringe benefit which also helps keep my proficient in their use.


23 posted on 01/22/2013 9:36:25 AM PST by duffee (No poll tax, no tax on firearms, ammunition or gunsafes.)
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To: JoeProBono

Good work! Requesting permission to steal.


24 posted on 01/22/2013 9:41:48 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: TangoLimaSierra

The cops will ignore the mag limit, too. Who is going to enforce it against them?


25 posted on 01/22/2013 9:46:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Resettozero

mi casa es su casa


26 posted on 01/22/2013 9:47:59 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono
mi casa es su casa.

Now that you put it that way, I'll just politely borrow the pic and return it when everyone I know has seen it. Will try not to get thumbprints all over it.
27 posted on 01/22/2013 9:56:00 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: chris37
From "The Missouri Breaks" Kathleen Lloyd and Jack Nicholson ......... Jane Braxton: Are you an outlaw?

Tom Logan: I'm a jackpot farmer with one milk cow and a hundred-square-foot patch of vegetables.

Jane: Then how come you have so many guns?

Tom: Because I'm a sportsman.

Jane: Why do you have a sawed-off shotgun?

Tom: Because I'm a sawed-off sportsman.

28 posted on 01/22/2013 10:12:38 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Texas Eagle
Department of Homeland Security: Sport rifle (AR-15) “suitable for personal defense”

Uh, oh... looks like somebody at DHS didn't get the memo LOL.

29 posted on 01/31/2013 7:26:52 AM PST by fractionated
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The cops will ignore the mag limit, too. Who is going to enforce it against them?

That's assuming they aren't exempt to begin with.

30 posted on 01/31/2013 7:26:58 AM PST by fractionated
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To: fractionated

Reports say that the law as passed did not have an exception for police.


31 posted on 01/31/2013 9:01:13 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: All

Do they make toy guns anymore?


32 posted on 01/31/2013 5:10:04 PM PST by ncpatriot
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