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Vendors say Outdoor Show ban puts them in lose-lose situation
Patriot News ^ | January 22, 2013 | Jeff Frantz

Posted on 01/22/2013 12:54:31 PM PST by Second Amendment First

Mike Olien has been planning his first trip to the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show for a year.

His Texas-based company, MN Outdoors, planned the roll out for its new clip-on beverage holder when the show opens Feb. 2.

MN specializes in duck decoys and hunting camera mounts. Its beverage holder isn't specifically designed for hunters. The company does not sell guns or gun accessories.

But the Harrisburg show's new firearm policy has put Olien -- a "lifetime member of anything you can be a lifetime member of," an AR-15 owner and a strong gun control opponent -- in a lose-lose position.

Olien made a business decision to add this show to his schedule in hopes of finding new customers. The demands to boycott the show for banning the sale or display of assault weapons are now blurring the business and political, Olien said.

He has already spent $7,000 to secure his booth at the show, money the show's promoters will not refund, Olien said. If he joins the boycott, that money is lost. It's not chump change for a five-year-old small business. He also risks alienating Reed Exhibitions, the show promoter, that also runs shows he needs to attend closer to home in Texas and Colorado later this year.

Reed has not returned PennLive's requests for comment.

Not joining the boycott could bring greater costs.

If the controversy flattens attendance, which Olien believes a strong possibility, he could waste a few thousand more dollars making the two-day trip from the San Antonio suburbs.

Worse, his name could be mud in the small community of manufacturers and sellers in the outdoors community.

"If I pull out, I lose," Olien said. "If I stay, and the attendance is low and I get on somebody's blackball list, I lose … I'll see people at six other shows this year and it won't take long for word to get around that I was at that show in Pennsylvania."

The chance of a TV host or outdoors celebrity ever plugging MN gear could be ruined for years.

MN needs to get its decoys into stores and stay in stores. Major distributors, like the boycotting Cabela's, might not want to carry the merchandise of a company seen as supporting the show, Olien said.

When Reed's ban was first announced, some companies were encouraging show attendees to wear blaze orange in protest of the ban. Olien thought he might be able to protest the decision by manning his booth in a bright jacket all week, but all the controversy makes that unlikely.

Every hour, his inbox is being bombarded by people he's never met demanding he take a stand to protect their rights. As of yet, Olien said, none of them have offered to refund his costs.

If this were a political choice, it would be easy, Olien said. But this is about dollars and cents.

He's heard talk of vendors mounting a class-action lawsuit against Reed for changing its rules so close to the show, but he doesn't know what the parameters would be or if it could be successful.

Provided Reed doesn't change its stance, something Olien said the company told him it does not intend to do, Olien will decided by the weekend if it's worth risking the trip.

One things is for sure.

Even if he comes this year, there will be no second trip for MN next winter.

He predicts a lot of vendors will be making a similar decision.

"I can't afford to be associated with a show that's so wishy-washy," Olien said. "It's been a wonderful show in the past, but they really flubbed it up. This show will always have a stigma as being that show."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; cowards; guncontrol; gunshow; intimidation; secondamendment
I feel for the little guys getting squeezed by all this.

Reed Expo should be sued for changing the rules after signup and not refunding their money.

I hope the attendance is a total bust.

1 posted on 01/22/2013 12:54:40 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

“I feel for the little guys getting squeezed by all this.”

Me too, but it just points out that freedom isn’t free!


2 posted on 01/22/2013 12:57:28 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Second Amendment First

The website My Northeast Outdoors, whose creators support a boycott of next month’s Eastern Sports and Outdoors Show in Harrisburg, has published a running list of vendors and personalities that have pulled out of the show.

Reed Exhibitions, which organizes the show, announced recently that vendors could not display or sell some classes of weapons and ammunition at the show.

Vendors:

2 Million Bullets

24/7 Hunting TV

Alaska’s Ravencroft Lodge

Alaskan Outdoors TV

Ambush Firearms

American Whitetails of PA

Antler Insanity

Apex Tactical

Appalachian Big Game TV

Arrowhead Outdoors

Athens Archery

Atlantic Tactical

Avian X Decoys

Bangin Redhedz Turkey Gear

Bear Archery

Blitz TV

Bohning Archery

Boondock Outdoors

Bow Hunter’s Den

Bow Life, LLC

BowHunter Planet

Bowhunting.com

Cabela’s

Camo Addiction

Campbell Cameras

CanCooker

Cochrane River Outfitters

Cody Turkey Calls

Cold Steel Knives

Combative Edge

Continental Divide Outfitters

Cross Canyon Arms

Cutting Edge Bullets

Darkwoods Blind

DCVR

Dead Ringer

Deer and Deer Hunting.com

Direct Action Tactical Firearms

Dirty Dog Outdoors

Domari Nolo Defense Consulting

Dominance is Everything Hunting System

Dominator 365

Down N Dirty Outdoors

Driven TV

Droptine Outfitters

DuckWater Boats

Eastern Chapter Wild Sheep Foundation

Eastern Outdoors

Easton Bow Hunting

Excalibur Crossbow US, Inc

Farmland Trophies Outfitting

Fear No Evil

Field Proven Calls

Firearms Industry Consulting Group

Flatline Productions

Foiles Migrators, Inc

Forbes Turkey Calls

FOXPRO High Performance Game Calls

Full Circle Outdoors

Furtakers TV

Ghost River Outfitters - Alberta

Gone Wild Outdoors

Goodling Rifles

Gut N Tag, LLC

H.S. Specialities

Heartland Whitetails

Hevi-Shot

High Lonesome Outfitters

HookHunt

Hoyt Archery Inc

Hunter Safety Systems

Hunter Specialties w/ Rick White

Hunters and Guides Connection

Hunters Comfort, LLC

Hunter’s Specialties

Huntin’ Is Good! TV

IceHole Coolers

International Bowhunting Organization

Iron Kin Hunt Club

IScope

J & M Traditions

Keystone Country Store

Keystone Elk Country Alliance

King of the Mountain Inc.

Kinsey’s Outdoors

Kodabow

Lancaster Archery Supply

Major League Bowhunter

Men in Treestands Productions

Midwest Whitetail Adventures

Mindful of Nature LLC

Mountain Dog Chews

Muddy Outdoors

Muskie Moose, LLC

NasHunt Outdoors

Nature Blinds, LLC

NasHunt Outdoors

Northern Hideaway Outfitters

Northern Outdoor Lodge

Northern Wilderness Outfitters

Old Goat Outdoors

Open Season TV

Outdoor Channel Outfitters

Outdoor Edge Knives

Outdoor Specialist Grou

Outdoorsnative.com

Ozonics Hunting

PA Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs

PA Taxidermist Association, Inc

Pat Strawser Custom Calls

Pennsylvania Trappers Assoc.

Perry’s No Peep Archery Site

Pipeline Ridge Hunting Preserve

Primal Urge Outdoors

Primos Hunting Calls

Proc’s Huntin Buddy

PSE Archery

Radical Hunter

Ranew’s Outdoor Equipment

Red Star Arms

Revolution Hunting

Rhino Outdoors

Rougeaux Taxidermy

S & W Outfitter

SecureIt Tactical

Skull Shine

Southern Game Calls

Spook Span

Sportsmen of North America TV

State Line Bone Mine

Staudt’s Gun Shop

Stay Ready Inc

Stokerized Stabilizers

Susquehanna River Waterfowlers Assoc

Table Mountain Outfitters

Team Overkill

The Bear Whisperer

The Outdoor Loop

The State Line Bone Mine a NW Missouri and Iowa outfitter

The Warmbag

Timberline Outfitters

TNT Archery

Tough Country

Trijicon, Inc

Triple Mag TV

Trop Gun Shop

Turnbull Manufacturing

U Slide Bow Hunter

Ultimate Camo

Umax Outdoors

Upper Canyon Outfitters

Wallaston Lake Lodge

Tex Mex Outdoors

The Warmbag

Watson Air Lock

Watt’s Truck Center

Whitetail Bosses

Whitetail Freaks

Whitetail Heaven Outdoors

Whitewolfsurvivalsupply.com

Wired Outdoors

Woodcock Limited of Pennsylvania

X-Stand Treestands

Zink Calls

Zook Cabins

Speakers and personalities:

Abner Druckenmiller - Furtakers TV

Angie & Scott Denny - THE LIFE at Table Mountain

Blaine Anthony, The Bear Whisperer

Bob Folkrod

Bob Mercier

Chris Brackett

Eddie Salter

Fred Eichler - Fulldraw Outfitters

Jay Gregory

Jim and Eva Shockey

Larry Weishuhn

Lee & Tiffany Lakosky “The Crush”

Matt Morett

Michael Waddell

Pat & Nicole Reever

Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo - Archers Choice

Stan Potts

The Bone Collector

Tom Dokken

Trent Cole


3 posted on 01/22/2013 12:58:41 PM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Second Amendment First
What’s the fine print in their contracts? Did they agree to let the organizer make any changes and limit goods for sale after the contract was signed? An attorney with access to the agreements needs to weigh in and offer to take a group case if there is a reasonable legal argument.
4 posted on 01/22/2013 1:00:21 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29

I hope Cabela’s attorneys are looking at this closely.


5 posted on 01/22/2013 1:02:45 PM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Reed Exhibitions

Typical British company. They have an office not too far from me in Norwalk, CT. I know of a few people that worked there & some of the office politics were unbelievable even for CT.

6 posted on 01/22/2013 1:03:57 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Second Amendment First

Thanks for the list. I am immediately familiar with Cabelas and have purchased many things from them. I e-mailed them the day they announced they would boycott. I thanked them for their support.

I feel bad for the small guys who are in an unenviable bind here. I wouldn’t make too much of their participation one way or the other because of the cost, but the show’s organizer should be sued for breach.

I’d like to see a list of larger vendors who are not boycotting this show so I can avoid them.


7 posted on 01/22/2013 1:06:45 PM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: Second Amendment First
If this were a political choice, it would be easy, Olien said. But this is about dollars and cents.

It has always been such, back to the founding when "We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

8 posted on 01/22/2013 1:07:34 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Second Amendment First

is should not be “gun control opponenet”

we should be saying “second amendment civil rights supporter”

you either support civil rights via the second or you oppose civil rights. It puts the left in the position of opposing civil rights.


9 posted on 01/22/2013 1:08:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Puppage

I guess the Brits didn’t learn when Tomkins PLC took a bath on S&W.


10 posted on 01/22/2013 1:09:56 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Second Amendment First

If that’s the list of vendors that have pulled out, they aren’t going to have much of a show.

Lots of big companies on that list.


11 posted on 01/22/2013 1:10:29 PM PST by Doghunter
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To: Second Amendment First

I wonder if Reed will fair very well in the future when asking for vendors exhibits. I can imagine most vendors may feel that Reed will change the rules after collecting the fee. Who would actually want to do business with them next time.

I why would he want to pay Reed again in the future and take a chance of Reed doing the exact same thing again.

I feel for the position he is in, but gun rights are a principle, not a business. Too bad this leftist group can’t keep business and politics separate. They want an outdoor event but don’w seem to undersatnd the type of customers going to this event are not gun control nuts.


12 posted on 01/22/2013 1:11:16 PM PST by nomobs
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To: Second Amendment First

Dear Mike Olien: Freedom isn’t always free...
But being labeled as a Benedict Arnold is forever!


13 posted on 01/22/2013 1:11:47 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

Says it all, thanks.

14 posted on 01/22/2013 1:12:10 PM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Truth29

Well, it’s a fish (or maybe hunt in this case) or cut bait situation. What else could this show’s promoter do with the terms between now and then? That’s a treacherous situation. They really crapped on the gun sports crowd here, people who frequently like to shoot “scary guns” but who will never use one to commit a crime with.

Those who do go ought to put up giant protest posters all over the place. Maybe an actual “scary gun” can’t be sold or shown, but they can still put up posters with photographs of them, as I read this. And also make it clear to this show promoter that it’s the last time they’ll do business with him or with anyone who does not promise in advance to refrain from adding such a condition after contracts are signed.


15 posted on 01/22/2013 1:12:55 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: nomobs

Yeah, this move really was crapping on the crowd.

The herd of cats needs to unify against this.


16 posted on 01/22/2013 1:16:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Second Amendment First

The five guys I know that go up from Virginia have shut down their trip.


17 posted on 01/22/2013 1:19:52 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Good point. I had thought about this as well. At some point we are going to have to pledge our lives, treasure, and sacred honor or surely this evil will overcome us.

So, yes, on some level we have to start playing for keeps knowing there will be a cost. I’d be willing to bet that by making a boycott stand that he would incur more customer favor than by showing up and doing a measly amount of business on top of the ill-will that will attach like a barnicle.


18 posted on 01/22/2013 1:22:18 PM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: Second Amendment First
He has already spent $7,000 to secure his booth at the show, money the show's promoters will not refund, Olien said. If he joins the boycott, that money is lost. It's not chump change for a five-year-old small business. He also risks alienating Reed Exhibitions, the show promoter, that also runs shows he needs to attend closer to home in Texas and Colorado later this year.

Well, Olien felt he could 'glom onto' the outdoor scene and make some bucks at this show - okay, it's capitalism. That outdoor scene includes many, many of its exhibitors who are gun sellers, gun accessory sellers, etc. They decided to boycott a promoter who apparently is in this only for the money and is a liberal pussy freedom-taker at heart. Olien has to live with his choice here....he'd better choose wisely. If he exhibits, I'll damned sure look twice at any cup-holder for outdoors I ever see, for sure.

19 posted on 01/22/2013 1:26:26 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Second Amendment First
Reed Expo should be sued for changing the rules after signup and not refunding their money.

Exactly.

The big exhibitors should initiate and finance a class action style lawsuit against the promoter. With exhibitors like Cabela's among the protestors it is clear that they can afford enough lawyers to take Reed Expo to the woodshed.


20 posted on 01/22/2013 1:29:05 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Second Amendment First

You are correct. The right answer is to not show up and sue for the deposit. I would think that such a situation might qualify for class action status.


21 posted on 01/22/2013 1:29:37 PM PST by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: Obadiah

The observation that nobody has offered to help these people out is very poignant. I would not blame them, if boycotting the show, for in-your-face appeals to their clientele to help them defray the cost of doing the right thing, at least to do more business with them than before.


22 posted on 01/22/2013 1:30:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: johncatl

Class action suits are good for when you want more to punish a culprit than to get made whole. Typically the culprit settles for ten zillion dollars most of which goes to the lawyers, and his prey gets coupons for $10 off the next screwing. Not sure how appropriate that is here.


23 posted on 01/22/2013 1:33:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Second Amendment First
From their website:

The Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show is a unique celebration of the authentic hunting and fishing traditions that are cherished by millions of Americans and their families. We are proud to celebrate these pastimes by featuring 1,200 exhibitors offering a diverse range of products from outfitters to fishing boats and RVs, from archery to art and from clothes to cabins.

As a hunting-focused event, we welcome exhibitors who wish to showcase products and firearms that serve the traditional needs of the sport. Clearly, we strongly support the 2nd Amendment. However, this year we have made the decision not to include certain products that in the current climate may attract negative attention that would distract from the strong focus on hunting and fishing at this family-oriented event and possibly disrupt the broader positive experience of our guests.

ESS is proud to participate in the preservation and promotion of the rich hunting and fishing tradition passed from generation to generation by American families.

24 posted on 01/22/2013 1:33:38 PM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: Gaffer

He also risks alienating Reed Exhibitions, the show promoter, that also runs shows he needs to attend closer to home in Texas and Colorado later this year.
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I would think if Reed Exhibitions keeps this policy, they won’t have any more shows this year. In fact they may as well head on back to Jolly old England and forget their shows in America.


25 posted on 01/22/2013 1:34:06 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Second Amendment First

If it were me I would go to the show and put up a sign indicating the people who put on the show are left wing assholes deserving the contempt of all who are there.


26 posted on 01/22/2013 1:36:21 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Obadiah

Can’t we freep the hell out of these weasels too?

“Big scary guns” are sometimes used in hunting. If they want to make a public disclaimer that they do not personally endorse “big scary guns” then they can do it on a poster at the entrance. They can also say they gave such and such donation to the families of the children slain at Sandy Hook, etc. All of which would be wonderful. But in doing this, they have woken up a very angry sleeping giant.


27 posted on 01/22/2013 1:37:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Second Amendment First

I would think this article in multiple publications would drive business better than going to the show.


28 posted on 01/22/2013 1:48:18 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: Truth29

http://az290931.vo.msecnd.net/www.easternsportshow.com/RNA/RNA_EasternSportsShow_v2/PDFs/2013/ESS_2013_SpaceApplication.pdfx$query$xvx$eq$x634932568504872639

contract
...management reserves the right to determine the eligibility of any product for display...

...union labor only-....

interesting question on refunds what if all you had to display was now excluded? past practice ?


29 posted on 01/22/2013 1:50:00 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Venturer

Well, I’d certainly not go to one of their shows. I’ve pretty much been off gunshows for quite a few years. I started out a couple of decades or so ago looking for parts, good military used rifles, etc. It didn’t take too long to learn that most of the stuff of that genre, at least here in Georgia, is pure worn-out junk.

If I want a good deal on a gun that is current, I’ll go to Adventure Outdoors, or to Bargain Barn here in my town.....they can beat gun show prices for guns most any time.


30 posted on 01/22/2013 1:51:07 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Second Amendment First

“We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

“Says it all, thanks.”

No, you’re pledging SOMEONE ELSE’S fortune. The guy paid 7000 bucks for a booth and is now screwed no matter what he does. Instead of feeling bad for the small vendors, why don’t you buy something from one? Buy the guy’s cup holder. Send him a few bucks. That would sure beat quoting the Declaration and shrugging your shoulders.


31 posted on 01/22/2013 1:58:58 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Second Amendment First

Ruger also just pulled out.

Per their Facebook Page:

Ruger James Ritter & Lance Martin: Ruger has decided not to attend the upcoming Eastern Sports Show. We are very frustrated by Reed Exhibitions’ foolish decision to ban the display of modern sporting rifles. We feel that, as one of America’s firearms manufacturers, we must withdraw from the show as a commitment to the 2nd Amendment rights of our customers. Nonetheless, we are very disappointed not to be attending the Eastern Sports Show. We were looking forward to attending the show for the first time this year and meeting and supporting the 200,000+ sportsmen and women that attend this great celebration of the outdoors. We hope the show will be successful for the many outfitters and other vendors who depend on the show for their annual business.


32 posted on 01/22/2013 2:05:45 PM PST by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: Puppage

Some years back I bow hunted Elk in the Gila Wilderness in New Mexico with Gary Webb (outfitter). Gary expressed a thought to do the show,I live 30 miles from this show and offered Gary a place to stay if he decided to come east. He ask me to get information on renting a booth and I did. I started here locally and ended getting the info from the company, I believe out of Boston. Man, they charged by the square inch for space. I don’t remember the figures anymore but it was unbelievable. Gary never came east.


33 posted on 01/22/2013 2:15:55 PM PST by depenzz
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To: Second Amendment First
I feel for the little guys getting squeezed by all this.

Yes, but this "little guy" isn't afraid of the shake down. FTA:

Every hour, his inbox is being bombarded by people he's never met demanding he take a stand to protect their rights. As of yet, Olien said, none of them have offered to refund his costs.

34 posted on 01/22/2013 2:28:46 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: depenzz

$7k sounds really expensive. Gotta sell a lot of cup holders to cover time, travel, booth rental, incidentals.


35 posted on 01/22/2013 2:29:57 PM PST by HonkyTonkMan
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To: Venturer

Here’s a list of their shows world-wide.

Quite a few in the US to stay away from in droves.


36 posted on 01/22/2013 2:40:22 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Second Amendment First

It’s going to take a while for the Reed Expo outfit to get the stink off, even if they reverse themselves. This decision, with a raft of likely lawsuits, will likely be fatal.


37 posted on 01/22/2013 2:50:57 PM PST by lurk
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To: Second Amendment First
Whine....Snivel...Wimp...

Either you stand up and defend fundamental freedoms, or you don't...Make a choice and stop whimpering!

38 posted on 01/22/2013 3:09:31 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Second Amendment First

How about a list of those who will attend?

That seems to be the more pertinent approach. Let’s put the pressure on them.


39 posted on 01/22/2013 5:35:04 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Second Amendment First

MN Outdoors website

http://www.t-topper.com/Media.php


40 posted on 01/22/2013 6:20:56 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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