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Vigilante groups spring up in Mexico in fight against cartels
Fox News ^ | 1/21/2013 | Unspecified

Posted on 01/22/2013 6:18:19 PM PST by exbrit

"In less than a month, they have done something that the army and state and federal police haven't been able to do in years," said local resident Lorena Morales Castro, who waited in a line of cars at a checkpoint Friday. "They are our anonymous heroes."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/21/vigilante-squads-spring-up-in-mexico-in-fight-against-cartels/#ixzz2IlDpMg3b

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About time the Mexican folk woke up, armed themselves and fought back
1 posted on 01/22/2013 6:18:22 PM PST by exbrit
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To: exbrit

But guns are illegal in Mexico.


2 posted on 01/22/2013 6:30:07 PM PST by skeeter
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To: exbrit

I was traveling in Mexico last year and we went to visit a rather remote little village to see its 16th century church. The people knew we were coming, but we had to stop just outside the village because they had strung huge chains across the road and somebody had to come and unlock them for us so we could get into the town. A little further on, there was a sort of small concrete bunker with gun ports.

The village had had a family whose sons had gotten involved with the drug gangs, and the village had literally kicked the family out. They were afraid the family or the sons or some of their associates were going to come back, so they kept their road closed and at night, the men took turns in the bunker...with a gun.

They were very nice, friendly people and treated us very well. They had had to take the law into their own hands, though, and they were determined not to go the way of other towns in Mexico.


3 posted on 01/22/2013 6:32:56 PM PST by livius
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To: exbrit

After they defeat the cartels, they can go after the corrupt government that allows the cartels to exist.


4 posted on 01/22/2013 6:34:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: exbrit

You are correct! These are the people the guns from Fast and Furious should have gone to.


5 posted on 01/22/2013 6:36:33 PM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: exbrit

“About time the Mexican folk woke up, armed themselves and fought back”

Yeah, and maybe after that, Americans will start to fight back in their country!


6 posted on 01/22/2013 6:39:16 PM PST by River Hawk
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The saddest part of the equation is the insatiable demand for the drugs in the first place; from the United States and its citizens. If there was no demand, there would be creation and importing of the deadly product. Oh well, live (or die?) and learn.


7 posted on 01/22/2013 6:40:03 PM PST by john drake
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To: exbrit

Holder is going to be so pissed!!!!


8 posted on 01/22/2013 6:46:06 PM PST by austinaero
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To: john drake

There is no way to get rid of the demand, but there is a way to defund the drug cartels. Decriminalize drug usage in the US. It would have the additional bonus of removing a great deal of power from the government and eliminating a huge number of laws aimed at catching drug dealers.


9 posted on 01/22/2013 6:46:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: exbrit

Exactly why we need to control our border. It forces them to fix their problems rather than escape them.


10 posted on 01/22/2013 6:46:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Amen! PLUS,,the gubamint could collect taxes on it due to the commerce of it!


11 posted on 01/22/2013 6:47:19 PM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero

IF it was legal, the government could tax the crap out of it and it would STILL be cheaper than illegal drugs.


12 posted on 01/22/2013 6:51:42 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The number 1 smuggled drug in Michigan is cigarettes.


13 posted on 01/22/2013 6:57:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: exbrit

And that my FR friends, is the heart of the militia movement. Hopefully, the culture will spread like wild fire and other Latin American countries (Honduras, El Salvador, etc) can learn what works, instead of becoming slaves to evildoers.


14 posted on 01/22/2013 7:36:45 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: exbrit

A little off topic,but it occured to me that when the SHTF(economic collapse)here and the welfare classes stop getting their gov ck’s(expect large scale looting,riots,etc)we may end up in a similar situation.Those folks in Mexico have b@lls.What about us?


15 posted on 01/22/2013 8:48:38 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: Admin Moderator

Any idea why b@lls and What are highlighted and underlined?


16 posted on 01/22/2013 9:12:21 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Approximately half of the narcotics smuggled from Mexico into the U.S. is cannabis. The rest is heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War

Which of these would you legalize?


17 posted on 01/22/2013 9:46:13 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

All of them. We are free adults able to make the decision about drugs just like alcohol. The WOD was started as an excuse to imprison southern blacks onto prison plantations.


18 posted on 01/23/2013 6:12:55 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You would legalize heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine, all of which are insanely habit-forming? You would be ok with the government managing / taxing the sale of these addictive and insanely destructive drugs?

Do you really think the long-term effects on people of using those drugs would be ameliorated if they were legalized?

WADR (because I agree with 95% of what you post on FR), an addict like Keith Richards is a serious anomaly.... there's a reason very few regular users of heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine live into their 40's, and it's not because they are all getting shot "stealing to support their illegal habit"; its because the drugs eat their brains, teeth, nasal passages, kidneys, liver and hearts.

And yes, alcoholism takes a terrific toll, but imho, thats not a reason to ADD to the potential destruction of whole swaths of our population.

19 posted on 01/24/2013 5:41:31 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

The first girl turned into Mick Jagger.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 5:42:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Yehuda
Do you really think the long-term effects on people of using those drugs would be ameliorated if they were legalized?

One of the unintended consequences of criminalizing drugs is that for the people who do choose to get them illegally the available drugs will be the most potent, concentrated forms available. There are many other pain killers both natural and synthetic less potent and addictive than heroin. Likewise there are many other stimulants/amphetamines that are less potent and addictive than meth.

The assumption is that if drug usage was de-criminalized, then the you would simply see more of the same kind of drug use and abuse we have now. I suspect many of the people that currently use drugs and do become hoeplessly addicted might have been salvagable if they'd had the choice of taking something other than the most potent and addictive forms available.

21 posted on 01/24/2013 6:14:50 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Yehuda

Spoken like a properly brainwashed government sycophant. You would rather give the government an insane amount of power to spy, intrude, search, and seize property than allow people to make decisions about their own lives? You are too used to living under the government’s thumb to know how many of your rights have been stolen under the lie of keeping you “safe” from black men getting high on cocaine and raping white women.
Yes, that was the lie used by southern Democrats to get the first drug laws through Congress.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 6:27:23 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: tacticalogic

” There are many other pain killers both natural and synthetic less potent and addictive than heroin. Likewise there are many other stimulants/amphetamines that are less potent and addictive than meth.”

Like what?

OXY?


23 posted on 01/25/2013 10:25:00 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

Codeine, hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene come to mind. There are probably more.


24 posted on 01/25/2013 10:32:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Spoken like a properly brainwashed government sycophant.”

You’ve been here 13 years - I have been here 11. Lower the tone.

I explained and gave you respect of tone based on your other views here on FR as well as your time here. If you have none for mine, have the b*lls to say so up front.

” living under the government’s thumb to know how many of your rights have been stolen under the lie of keeping you “safe” from black men getting high on cocaine and raping white women.”

As a WHITE, NEW YAWHK JOO, (sic) I have probably been classmates, worked with, hired and fired at least as many if not more black men then you have.

If you can’t discuss your STUPID LIBERTARDIAN (sic) calls for your CHILDREN TO HAVE UNFETTERED ACCESS TO DRUGS THAT WILL STERILIZE OR KILL THEM without making ASinine ASSsumptions and throwing out the RACE CARD like an Obamunist AS*wipe, take it somewhere else/ blow it out your rear end.


25 posted on 01/25/2013 10:38:19 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: tacticalogic

Afaik, every single one of those is highly addictive.

(don’t ask me how i know; you can look them up...)


26 posted on 01/25/2013 10:40:18 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
Yes, they're all addictive.

Are they less addictive than heroin?

27 posted on 01/25/2013 10:46:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
...they can go after the corrput government that allows the cartels to exist.

Do you really want them to invade the US?

28 posted on 01/25/2013 10:53:52 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: tacticalogic

Anecdote isn’t data, and I am not discussing my or my friends’ or friends families history of drug use, but my understanding is that oxy is at least if not more addictive than heroin.

You suggested those drugs instead of heroin, coke and meth. Afaik the 3 you mentioned are all synthetic opiates / hypnotics / CNS depressants like heroin - you haven’t addressed meth and coke, and we didn’t even mention crack.

imho, I don’t think the answer is to find “safer” reality-exploding drugs but to treat the cause (lack of family, religion) that leads to drug (and yes, alcohol) abuse.

/off for the weekend.


29 posted on 01/25/2013 11:00:51 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

I’m not kidding, that was a real reason behind the first drug laws.


30 posted on 01/25/2013 11:13:42 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Yehuda
Anecdote isn’t data, and I am not discussing my or my friends’ or friends families history of drug use, but my understanding is that oxy is at least if not more addictive than heroin.

It may be. The question remains unanswered as to whether the other drugs mentioned are less addictive than heroin. I suspect it's not going to be answered, but I could be wrong about that.

You suggested those drugs instead of heroin, coke and meth. Afaik the 3 you mentioned are all synthetic opiates / hypnotics / CNS depressants like heroin - you haven’t addressed meth and coke, and we didn’t even mention crack.

I mentioned those drugs as being less potent and potentially addictive than OXY, which is what you specifically asked about. That's a narcotic, so I compared it to other narcotics in the interest of keeping things on an apples-to-apple basis. You're welcome to chew on me for that all you want, it's not going to hurt me one bit.

imho, I don’t think the answer is to find “safer” reality-exploding drugs but to treat the cause (lack of family, religion) that leads to drug (and yes, alcohol) abuse.

I never said it was. I said an unintended consequence of criminalizing the drugs makes it more likely that people who do choose to use them will be using the most potent, addictive forms available. That's the form that will be most attractive to the smugglers and dealers.

I'm happy to listen to arguments or evidence against any arguments I've made, but I don't see much to be gained in debating arguments I haven't made.

31 posted on 01/25/2013 11:29:54 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Thombo2

The webpage is looking at it as an email address. There’s an @ symbol and a period in close proximity. It thinks the address is “b” at lls-dot-what.


32 posted on 01/25/2013 1:54:14 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Yehuda
Approximately half of the narcotics smuggled from Mexico into the U.S. is cannabis. The rest is heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine. Which of these would you legalize?

None of them with regard to foreign commerce, ie at the borders. I would leave it to the states to regulate them at the intrastate level, per the Tenth Amendment.

Would you do it differently? If so, then justify your position from a constitutional standpoint.

33 posted on 01/25/2013 8:45:38 PM PST by Ken H
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To: tacticalogic

I am not “chewing” on you.

If you have no understanding of the difference between CNS depressants like heroin, codiene and oxy vs stimulants like meth and coke and, then you have no idea of what you are talking about and you are simply ranting some libtard BS.

I have either taken some of them or been around family, friends and co-workers who took them and whose lives have been ruined and yes ENDED because of their use.

It’s all fun and games to talk about classical liberalism and how no one should be pushed around by the government, but this the real F*CKING WORLD, and tens of thousands of otherwise smart people are DYING (do you know what DYING IS?) because they THINK their lives are so miserable that they need to either withdraw from it or they need to fly over it, but ALL OF THOSE DRUGS CAUSE DEATH ND DESTRUCTION, and anyone who thinks they should be legalized is a F*CKING MORON.

Chew on that.


34 posted on 01/27/2013 9:01:47 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Ken H

Afaik, one of the few reasonable constitutional processes left to the Federal government is to protect the borders.

AND THEY SUCK AT IT. Imho, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it at all.

Unless you are suggesting only the border states should protect our NATIONAL borders?

Thats great with conservative states in the south/ SW, but what happens with dope-loving jackasses in the NW who let the Canadian border go porous to allow cheaper pot in, and also let in Ahmed?

Now we need stricter border crossings BETWEEN THE STATES?

Oh i get it, we need our own armed civilian-run groups to man the borders, just like in this article where they guard their towns...

Well we might be there now, I saw a story where a small town in Long ISland New York has over TWO THOUSAND MS-13 already there...


35 posted on 01/27/2013 9:09:14 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
So would you leave it to the states to regulate drugs at the intrastate level, per the Tenth Amendment, yes or no?
36 posted on 01/27/2013 9:23:16 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Yehuda
If you have no understanding of the difference between CNS depressants like heroin, codiene and oxy vs stimulants like meth and coke and, then you have no idea of what you are talking about and you are simply ranting some libtard BS.

OK. Explain why you think I don't know the difference. You handed me a question about oxy (a CNS depressant), and the answer you got back was specific to CNS depressants. If this is the way you engage in a discussion then you deserve to be left talking to yourself.

37 posted on 01/28/2013 5:59:52 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Yehuda
If you have no understanding of the difference between CNS depressants like heroin, codiene and oxy vs stimulants like meth and coke and, then you have no idea of what you are talking about and you are simply ranting some libtard BS.

OK. Explain why you think I don't know the difference. You handed me a question about oxy (a CNS depressant), and the answer you got back was specific to CNS depressants. If this is the way you engage in a discussion then you deserve to be left talking to yourself.

38 posted on 01/28/2013 6:00:20 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Yehuda
It’s all fun and games to talk about classical liberalism and how no one should be pushed around by the government, but this the real F*CKING WORLD, and tens of thousands of otherwise smart people are DYING (do you know what DYING IS?) because they THINK their lives are so miserable that they need to either withdraw from it or they need to fly over it, but ALL OF THOSE DRUGS CAUSE DEATH ND DESTRUCTION, and anyone who thinks they should be legalized is a F*CKING MORON.

You took 'em. Why aren't you dead? Is the foul language and emotional manipulation supposed to make people think total legalization is the only alternative to what we're doing now and avoid talking about the unintended consequences?

39 posted on 01/28/2013 6:10:00 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Ken H

Stop trying to bait me. You’re the one who demi-suggested border control should be a states issue, asked my opinion, I commented, and all you can do is not ask me if drug control should be a states only issue.

Why don’t you tell us all YOUR VALUABLE opinion instead of being such a c*ck teaser.


40 posted on 01/28/2013 10:10:59 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: tacticalogic

“You handed me a question about oxy (a CNS depressant),”

NO, YOU started this by claiming

” There are many other pain killers both natural and synthetic less potent and addictive than heroin. Likewise there are many other stimulants/amphetamines that are less potent and addictive than meth.”

I asked you what they were and suggested OXY for the former and later noted it is NOT less addictive than heroin, you came back with other CNS, you have yet to mention non-addictive stimulants, you did fart something about hydrocodone, which is NOT as strong as oxy or H...

Maybe you are too stoned to follow your own line of BS.


41 posted on 01/28/2013 10:14:55 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Ken H

PS -

“So would you leave it to the states to regulate drugs at the intrastate level, per the Tenth Amendment, yes or no? “

Illegal drugs already are regulated at the intrastate level.

PPS - here’s whats happening with obungo destroying our Federal capability to guard our borders:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2982677/posts

Maybe he’s a blessing in disguise on this issue (until he sues the States to prevent them from picking up the slack as he did with Arizona..)


42 posted on 01/28/2013 10:19:52 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: tacticalogic

“You took ‘em. Why aren’t you dead?”

Because i didn’t take that much and I survived. I once drove at 95 mph on wet roads and didn’t crash. DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD LEGALIZE DRIVING AT 95 IN THE RAIN?

“Is the foul language and emotional manipulation supposed to make people think total legalization is the only alternative to what we’re doing now and avoid talking about the unintended consequences?”

Which side are you on, actually?


43 posted on 01/28/2013 10:22:27 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

Pot should definitely be legalized, taxed and regulated. That would be an excellent first step.


44 posted on 01/28/2013 10:53:24 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Yehuda

Like what?

OXY?

23 posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 12:25:00 PM by Yehuda
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45 posted on 01/28/2013 10:53:35 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Are you stoned right now? Did you get high last night?

EVERY NIGHT?


46 posted on 01/28/2013 10:56:39 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
Why don’t you tell us all YOUR VALUABLE opinion instead of being such a c*ck teaser.

That's a rather creepy way to put it. Nevertheless, I'll give you a straight answer.

Per I.8.3, I believe Congress should regulate foreign commerce, which means they decide which drugs may or may not enter the US from foreign sources. States should regulate intrastate drug policies, as the Tenth Amendment says.

Now answer the question. Should the states regulate intrastate drug policies per the Tenth Amendment? (yes or no)

47 posted on 01/28/2013 10:58:39 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Yehuda
Which side are you on, actually?

The side that's skeptical of government's ability to solve society's problems, and skeptical of laws based on knee-jerk reactions to emotional arguments.

Sarah Brady thinks her personal experience makes her an expert on what public policy on gun control should be.

What say you?

48 posted on 01/28/2013 10:59:07 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Yehuda

Do you have anything to offer besides foul language and personal attacks?


49 posted on 01/28/2013 11:02:53 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Yehuda
Illegal drugs already are regulated at the intrastate level.

So do you support fedgov keeping hands off and leaving it to CO and WA to carry out their legalized marijuana policies? (yes or no)

50 posted on 01/28/2013 11:11:51 AM PST by Ken H
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