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Chinese man keeps himself alive for 13 years with HOMEMADE dialysis machine
Daily Mail UK ^ | 22 January 2012 | Clair Bates

Posted on 01/22/2013 6:54:21 PM PST by Lorianne

•Hu Songwen built his machine after he could no longer afford hospital bills

•He said two of his friends had died after building and using similar machines

•Offered Government medical aid after story went national, but says nearest hospital is too far away and too crowded

Three times a week, Hu Songwen sits on a small toilet in his home in a rural east China town and fires up his homemade dialysis machine.

Hu, who suffers from kidney disease, made it from kitchen utensils and old medical instruments after he could no long afford hospital fees.

He was a college student when he was diagnosed in 1993 with kidney disease, which means waste products cannot be removed from his blood.

He underwent dialysis treatment in hospital but ran out of savings after six years. His solution was to create his own machine to slash his costs.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: dialysis
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1 posted on 01/22/2013 6:54:25 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Coming soon to American, but you will have to still pay the ‘Obamacare’ tax on your machine!


2 posted on 01/22/2013 6:59:39 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lorianne

Get his plans. We may need this device after Obamacare kicks in.


3 posted on 01/22/2013 7:00:31 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Lorianne

His initiative is very admirable.


4 posted on 01/22/2013 7:02:45 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Lorianne

How is that socialized medicine working?


5 posted on 01/22/2013 7:02:51 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Lorianne

Genius.


6 posted on 01/22/2013 7:05:39 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Lorianne

Now that’s some serious self-reliance. Inspiring.


7 posted on 01/22/2013 7:06:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Lorianne

Probably a very smart idea. I doubt that he would have passed the “economic benefit analysis” test and would have been relegated to the dumpster along with the aborted babies.


8 posted on 01/22/2013 7:06:47 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: Lorianne

Now there is a guy I’d like to meet


9 posted on 01/22/2013 7:07:33 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: wideminded

Good for him. He built that.


10 posted on 01/22/2013 7:07:52 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Dutch Boy

The next thing we’ll know, we’re using SLR cameras for home-made XRAYS.


11 posted on 01/22/2013 7:08:25 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Lorianne

So, under 0bamaCare, will this become the new standard of care, or would he be prosecuted for defying the Death Panel?


12 posted on 01/22/2013 7:10:32 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: max americana
hmm ~ another idea. you did know the internet has some videos with superior surgical techniques used to hook up tendons, lingaments and skin.

They use superglue too. just like veterinarians.

13 posted on 01/22/2013 7:11:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lorianne

BFL


14 posted on 01/22/2013 7:16:55 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Kartographer

If you live in Al Franken’s province, you get a waiver.


15 posted on 01/22/2013 7:19:59 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Lorianne

I cry foul!

Items made in China seldom work as intended and if they do they certainly do not last 13 years.


16 posted on 01/22/2013 7:26:28 PM PST by rey
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To: Kartographer

Dyalysis costs a ton of money, and many times the patient has to be transported to treatment by Ambulance.

It would appear that a home machine could be made at a reasonable cost.

Don’t worry though it would put a lot of Dyalysis plces out of business and cut back on money making enterprises.

First the Government would never allow this to be produced and second the Doctors would be cut out of a big piece of money.
It will never happen here.


17 posted on 01/22/2013 7:27:32 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Lorianne

Not only did he build a machine but hopefully, he also built some kind of shunt that allows him to hookup to the machine easily.

If he just uses IVs to connect to his arteries and veins, then it must hurt like hell. Veins are easy to get to, arteries, different story.

When I was in the hospital, my roommate’s doctor need blood gas or something from his arteries and I remember seeing the cut down kit, it did not look fun although they at least gave him pain killers and a local dose of Novacane. I asked my Doctor why they couldn’t just use a long needle? Since I was just a kid he blew me off. I wonder if they still do that.

Back to the Chinese guy, that is incredible. I wonder what he uses to filter the waste products from the good stuff?


18 posted on 01/22/2013 7:33:29 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

China abolished its socialized medicine scheme in 1989.

It didn’t work


19 posted on 01/22/2013 7:42:23 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: max americana
The next thing we’ll know, we’re using SLR cameras for home-made XRAYS.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Phys_p083.shtml#summary

20 posted on 01/22/2013 7:43:21 PM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Lorianne

China? They have socialized medicine... nice to see how well it’s working...


21 posted on 01/22/2013 7:47:15 PM PST by GOPJ ( Do murder laws control murders?... freeper Red Badger)
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To: Kartographer

Ahhh the miracle of State run medicine. I hope his plans become public so we can print such a device out on our made in China 3D printer.
We will all likely soon be faced with the choice to make our own medical devices, or die.
They HAD to pick the red pill, hu?


22 posted on 01/22/2013 7:47:37 PM PST by ri4dc (Cut your cable. You'll need the extra dough later on.)
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To: TigersEye

You know, Americans used to be like that. Innovative, and rough and ready.


23 posted on 01/22/2013 7:49:43 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Dutch Boy
Get his plans. We may need this device after Obamacare kicks in.

I'm a dialysis patient. Three days a week, I spend 3 1/2 hours in a dialysis chair hooked up to a machine that is circulating and cleansing my blood.

I understand that roughly 2/3 of all Medicare expenditures are in support of dialysis patients. I've reviewed my billing to Medicare and the supplemental insurance company and know much it costs to keep me alive.

The "problem" is that the treatments and associated surgery to maintain the access are very expensive ...but they will keep us alive for years...and years...and years.

For that reason, I've no doubt that -- once Obamacare fully kicks in -- we dialysis patients will be squarely in the sights of the federal bureaucrats.

24 posted on 01/22/2013 7:55:39 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Lorianne

A smart guy built this device. An American company could do the same but it would cost $100,000,000 to get the FDA approval to sell it. And they would pay the new Obama care medical device tax on every unit.

No, this cannot happen in the USA in 2013. Americans cannot make this product. Just plain cannot be done. And what an indictment is that on our government.


25 posted on 01/22/2013 7:58:27 PM PST by DManA
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To: Lorianne

like doing dental work on yourself in the UK

when government healthcare comes to America, those 3D printers might come in handy


26 posted on 01/22/2013 8:20:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Lorianne; All

Something as simple as taking a daily dose of baking soda has been shown to greatly reduce the need for kidney dialysis. If one tries this it would be best to use aluminum free baking soda. I get good quality baking soda for baking on vitacost.com.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1200287/Daily-dose-baking-soda-stop-kidney-patients-needing-dialysis.html


27 posted on 01/22/2013 8:24:28 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: MAexile
Bummer -- doesn't even let you build your own x-ray tube.... '-)

FWIW, I was amazed that they consider a 1-2 week project "long". I usually spent all summer working on my projects for the next school year.

And my 5th-grade granddaughter spent over six weeks on her award-winning AGW-busting project. (She had a full month of data from her own daily temperature measurements.)

28 posted on 01/22/2013 8:27:55 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Lorianne

Damn, humans are innovative!


29 posted on 01/22/2013 8:37:39 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Lorianne

30 posted on 01/22/2013 8:54:19 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: Lx
If he just uses IVs to connect to his arteries and veins, then it must hurt like hell. Veins are easy to get to, arteries, different story.

It's hard to predict the progression of chronic renal failure, but nephrologists try to prepare patients for dialysis months in advance. One of the things they do is create a fistula between an artery and vein in the arm, where the blood is flowing directly from the artery to the vein. It takes a while for it to 'mature' to where it can be used for dialysis - the vein has to grow to handle that amount of blood flow.

They can stenose and have to be either opened up if possible or reattached progressively higher up the arm. And if they have nowhere else to go, they'll put in a graft or shunt from that artery back into the large brachiocephalic veins inside the thorax. Often these patients had renal failure due to vascular disease (#1 diabetes, #2 hypertension), so their vessels are at risk to begin with.

This Chinese man probably has a fistula that survived all these years and doesn't have that much difficulty hitting it.

Peritoneal dialysis is normally done at home. For that, the patient has a port put in their side, and they put several liters of dialysate fluid into their abdomen. It reaches equilibrium with the body fluids and is drawn off several hours later. It's done daily and the patient can walk around and do other things with it in, but they have to be careful to keep the port sterile (no open doors or windows to prevent blowing air particles, etc.) because getting an infection in their abdomen can easily end their ability to do dialysis this way. It's more easily tolerated because doing dialysis daily means smaller swings in the waste products in the body. A lot of the fatigue from dialysis isn't the total amount of waste product they have, but the big swings in the levels means the body is changing how it compensates in a short period of time.

31 posted on 01/22/2013 8:59:48 PM PST by Styria
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Read the article. If you can.


32 posted on 01/22/2013 9:01:11 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: Lorianne

bttt


33 posted on 01/22/2013 9:09:11 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: muawiyah

just so everyone is clear, superglue and surgical glue are totally not the same thing.


34 posted on 01/22/2013 10:04:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: DManA

if a person makes his own personal device fda approval ain’t required.


35 posted on 01/22/2013 10:06:37 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Bellflower

from the article it apears your kidneys still need to have some function. many dialysis patients have no function left.


36 posted on 01/22/2013 10:09:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Lorianne

As long as his solutions are mixed properly, he’s good to go. However, there’s a high risk of infection.


37 posted on 01/22/2013 10:20:56 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Lorianne

Should he be allowed all that equipment when younger people could use it? Or should he be told, “hey.... take a pill?”


38 posted on 01/22/2013 10:59:45 PM PST by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: Lorianne

Now there are two ways for dialysis to work. One is with the blood filtering machine and the tube in the arm.

The other is the tube into the intestinal cavity where a fluid is allowed to flow into the intestine area, then drained off several times a day. My mom used both till she passed away years ago.


39 posted on 01/22/2013 11:11:38 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Have you watched those third-world videos closely?


40 posted on 01/23/2013 4:06:55 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: rey

That may be just the stuff they export.


41 posted on 01/23/2013 4:51:44 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kartographer

>>but you will have to still pay the ‘Obamacare’ tax on your machine!

Except, per the O-Newspeak Dictionary 2013 edition, it’s not a tax but a home-healthcare surcharge.

Citizens please take note.


42 posted on 01/23/2013 5:26:42 AM PST by TArcher
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To: Morris70

Costello: Hu built that?
Abbott: No, he’s on first.


43 posted on 01/23/2013 5:37:11 AM PST by TArcher
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To: okie01
I'm a dialysis patient. Three days a week, I spend 3 1/2 hours in a dialysis chair hooked up to a machine that is circulating and cleansing my blood.

I understand that roughly 2/3 of all Medicare expenditures are in support of dialysis patients.

1. Based on what you know about the billing for your dialysis, would you say that the charges are appropriate for the service provided?

2. Do you do anything special to pass the time while hooked up?

3. Have you ever considered a kidney transplant?

44 posted on 01/23/2013 4:44:24 PM PST by wideminded
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To: garjog
It might be true that Chinese ports, train systems and airports are superior to ours.

Here are a couple of train stations:


45 posted on 01/23/2013 5:30:53 PM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded
1. Based on what you know about the billing for your dialysis, would you say that the charges are appropriate for the service provided?

I note that the bills are settled for approximately 33-50% of the amount billed. Which tells me that, as Medicare reduces their payments to medical suppliers, the suppliers increase their billed costs so as to receive an appropriate amount for their services.

Which is to say that any future "savings" in Medicare predicated on "reduced payments to suppliers" will be a fiction.

The service costs what it costs. And a profit is earned from rendering the service. The current (and any future) Medicare payment schedule is designed to mask all of this.

2. Do you do anything special to pass the time while hooked up?

I intentionally take treatment on the first shift -- starting at 5:30 AM. That way, I spend my time in the chair sleeping and when I come out of the chair around 9:30, I've still got a full day in front of me.

3. Have you ever considered a kidney transplant?

I am now 73 yrs old. And dialysis is a very benign experience for me, while some struggle with and are weakened by the treatments. My view is that, as the equivalent of a '76 Buick up on blocks and leaking oil, I'd prefer the replacement kidneys go to somebody who needs them more than I do.

You didn't ask, but there is also a home dialysis treatment that is available. One plugs into a machine (which is portable) every night via an access in the abdomen. That form of treatment is not available to me due to the scar tissue I have from cancer surgery in 1989.

46 posted on 01/23/2013 5:30:53 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Slings and Arrows

SPeaking of Death Panels, Obama just appointed someone today to head up a commions on new and alternative “end of life” treatment options

I am NOT making this up


47 posted on 01/23/2013 5:33:38 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Lorianne

Awhile ago this story was posted on FR about the Chinese guy that built his own prosthetic arms. Got to hand it to these Chinese guys!

http://thisisthestoryof.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/chinese-man-builds-his-own-prosthetic-limbs-from-scrap-offbeat-news/


48 posted on 01/23/2013 5:43:13 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: muawiyah

no. am i missing your point?

i am just saying a cyano-acrylate is not surgical glue, which is far more safe biologically for the body. they may both hold well, but they are two different animals.


49 posted on 01/23/2013 6:35:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Third worlders don’t have a choice and under ObamaKKKare none of us will have a choice either.


50 posted on 01/23/2013 6:38:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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