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Assembly Democrat wants grocery store ban on plastic bags [California]
Sacramento Bee ^ | Tuesday, January 22, 2013 | Kevin Yamamura

Posted on 01/22/2013 10:27:56 PM PST by Lonely Bull

Assemblyman Marc Levine announced today he will revive a proposal banning all single-use plastic bags in California grocery stores.

Under the proposal, most grocery retailers could no longer provide thin plastic bags for customers starting in 2015. For 18 months, retailers could offer paper bags made of recycled materials or reusable plastic bags for customers to bag their milk, eggs and other groceries.

Starting in July 2016, grocery retailers could only provide reusable plastic bags, which many stores already offer at a fee. The new proposal, Assembly Bill 158, also leaves room for stores to provide recycled paper bags at a charge.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: assembly; assemblydemocrat; bag; bags; ban; california; democrat; grocery; levine; marclevine; plastic; plasticbag; plasticbags; store

1 posted on 01/22/2013 10:28:08 PM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: Saoirise

Ping! Looney left strikes again.


2 posted on 01/22/2013 10:30:43 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: Lonely Bull

Im all for putting a plastic bag over that idiot’s head


3 posted on 01/22/2013 10:39:07 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Lonely Bull

Can I make an observation? The reason we have plastic bags in the first place is because of liberal enviro-extremism. Years ago, grocery stores and other retailers used paper bags.

But, liberal enviro-extremists wanted to save trees and save the rainforests, so retailers were pressured to switch to plastic to save trees.

The same liberal enviro-extremists who are now so alarmed at plastic bags are the ones who foisted plastic bags on us in the first place!!

So now, are we allowed to ask why these enviro-nazis made such an error years ago in pressuring for the use of plastic instead of paper?

Were they wrong then or are they wrong now? Why do we have to listen to the lunatic fringe of the environmental movement in making laws anyway???


4 posted on 01/22/2013 10:41:36 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Lonely Bull

Just make the plastic bag handles a little bigger so that the seals can handle them better when the bags drift out to sea. It isn’t like the seals don’t have things to carry around.


5 posted on 01/22/2013 10:44:09 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Lonely Bull

“Starting in July 2016, grocery retailers could only provide reusable plastic bags, which many stores already offer at a fee”

I use a reusable type bag when I go shopping at Aldi’s (since they don’t carry any bags of their own). HOWEVER, I only use it for things like canned goods, dry package stuff like crackers and so on. When it comes to things like meat, seafood, and even some produce, whatever I use is one-and-done. Not worth the risk of later cross-contamination, IMHO.


6 posted on 01/22/2013 10:45:39 PM PST by DemforBush (You might very well think that. I could not *possibly* comment.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
we're just swinging with the whims of the idiots.....

those plastic bags used today are so thin and cheap....there can't be much waste there...

notice that the govt elite don't go after the real culprits of waste....like the guys that package cd's...or the way anything from china is packed....all plastic crap you have to cut a knife thru to open, plus all that styrofoam...

maybe if we stopped buying so much crap from far away, and bought stuff made here, we wouldn't need the excess packaging..

7 posted on 01/22/2013 10:46:40 PM PST by cherry
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To: Dilbert San Diego

People like you with long memories are not useful in progressive America. Progressives always speak the truth, not matter how many times it changes.


8 posted on 01/22/2013 10:46:54 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Lonely Bull

We have a troop of minutiae rangers running California.


9 posted on 01/22/2013 10:47:38 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Lonely Bull
From now on all California shoppers shall be required to raise and butcher their own goats. These goat skins shall be fashioned into water skins and 100% organic and reusable grocery totes. Totes woven from wool will also be acceptable as long as the sheep are raised “free-range”.
10 posted on 01/22/2013 10:49:41 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: DemforBush

With liberals, your life is not important.


11 posted on 01/22/2013 10:49:46 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Im all for putting a plastic bag over that idiot’s head

hahahahaha Thanks for the laugh!

12 posted on 01/22/2013 10:49:56 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Lonely Bull

Plastic bags make lousy book covers!


13 posted on 01/22/2013 10:51:32 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: Lonely Bull

Titanic is sinking, lets play charades!


14 posted on 01/22/2013 10:51:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Lonely Bull

Dumbo-crats 1970... Save the trees, Use plastic bags!!


15 posted on 01/22/2013 10:59:00 PM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: DemforBush

You can actually re-use existing plastic bags!


16 posted on 01/22/2013 11:00:54 PM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: DemforBush

Exactly, studies have already shown a high risk of bacteria contamination from the use of the “re usable” plastic bags because people don’t think about or take the time to wash them. I believe that this is just pushing dollars into the hands of manufacturers making wildly overpriced goods from recycled plastic. Have you noticed the outrageous price of anything made from recycled plastic?


17 posted on 01/22/2013 11:02:23 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Lonely Bull; All
Here are just two examples of many links that Google returned for contaminated recyclable grocery bags.
Contaminated reusable grocery bag causes gastric illness outbreak

Reusable grocery bags: Good for the planet, risky for your health?

Also, several links suggest washing recyclable grocery bags. But that leads to problems concerning alleged AGW from energy used to run washing machine and heat water, but also includes screwing up environment with wash detergent.

And who is going to take the time to hand-wash these bags?

18 posted on 01/22/2013 11:08:33 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Lonely Bull

Plastic bags are being demonized across the world these days, but most of the statistics given to justify bag bans and taxes are either misleading or just plain wrong. Below are some of the more popular myths about plastic bags, as well as some interesting facts.

Plastic Bag Myths
http://www.apmbags.com/bagmythsPlastic Bag Myths




19 posted on 01/22/2013 11:12:45 PM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Lonely Bull

Why not just ban indoor heating and electric lights as well? It’s killing the trees, you know. Customers will be required to carry their own beeswax candles (but not flash lights) to see, and dress warmly on winter days. The store itself will be made from recycled finger and toe nails. No meat will be sold of course, but condoms will be mandatory. The check-out lines themselves will take a full day to get through, since everything is free and the state can only pay for one employee per store.


20 posted on 01/22/2013 11:15:10 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Common sense is the first casualty of a depraved mind.)
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To: Lonely Bull

This from the idiots on the left that FORCED the use of plastic when they wanted a ban on paper.

After they ban plastic and demand reusable cloth bags, they’ll want to ban those for something else.

It’s never about the reason with the left, it’s the “cause” and the mechanism of agitation.

F them all.


21 posted on 01/22/2013 11:16:20 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Dang, I just made the same comment...I need to read beyond the first post before I make mine! lol


22 posted on 01/22/2013 11:17:33 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: cherry

[Those plastic bags used today are so thin and cheap....there can’t be much waste there...]

Some of the manufacturers of these bags now add food starch to the plastic. This causes the bag to break down quickly when exposed to the elements.


23 posted on 01/22/2013 11:21:57 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Minutemen

“You can actually re-use existing plastic bags!”
__________________________________________

Of course...I have never thrown a plastic bag into the trash
unless it is too foul or broken to be reused.


24 posted on 01/22/2013 11:25:10 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Minutemen

“You can actually re-use existing plastic bags!”

I use those plastic bags for garbage too! From bringing lunch to storing stuff in the office. These liberal morons really need a kick in the face.


25 posted on 01/22/2013 11:28:45 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Only after I pick up my dogs crap. That is called triple use.
26 posted on 01/22/2013 11:42:42 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You’ll notice that the meat section and produce section of the stores still offer (flimsy, on a roll) plastic bags.


27 posted on 01/22/2013 11:44:05 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Lonely Bull

We use them for cat litter and lining trash cans so I’ll just buy a few cases of 1,000 before they outlaw them!


28 posted on 01/22/2013 11:56:36 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

i’ve been picking up cloth ones at car shows, Hagarty Ins, hands them out at all the big car shows.


29 posted on 01/23/2013 12:05:55 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Lonely Bull

Let’s have a ban on Assembly Democrats.


30 posted on 01/23/2013 1:46:47 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Casie
raised “free-range”...

Observing the ramifications of free-range 'Rats, I'm inclined to keep the 'Rats that propose this stuff in tight-quartered cages.

31 posted on 01/23/2013 3:03:26 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Lonely Bull

You can buy them in bulk (1000) at Sam’s and carry a few as you go shopping. Have a few extra in case you see someone that could use one or two. It would be easier and cheaper than using whatever product is being touted, and whenever it gets lost, soiled, or damaged you won’t suffer from its loss.

Imagine thousands of people complying with that silly law by carrying the very product that is being “banned”.


32 posted on 01/23/2013 3:10:17 AM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: oldbrowser
We have a troop of minutiae rangers running California

I thought they were mostly rump rangers.

33 posted on 01/23/2013 4:46:43 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"The reason we have plastic bags in the first place is because of liberal enviro-extremism. Years ago, grocery stores and other retailers used paper bags."

While it is true that groceries/retailers used paper, that is because it was the only option available. I was getting my PhD in chemistry just as the "environmental movement" was starting out, and I cannot recall any such "eco-push" to replace paper with plastic at that time or later. As I was working in an industry that produced the feedstock for plastic bags (and much else), I'm sure I would have noted such.

Plastic replaced paper because it was simply superior in performance (as it remains). And it was (and remains) more ecologically acceptable than paper because it takes less energy to produce, requires less material to properly function, and puts less waste in landfills.

Way back in those days, there was a journal startup called "Garbage", whose purpose was to literally examine the science of garbage...what comprised it, the impact of those inputs on the environment, how to dispose of them safely, etc. Articles therein examined the eco-impact of "paper vs plastic" and plastic came off the winner by far. Unfortunately for "Garbage", the science they found didn't match the eco-propaganda memes, and the journal folded.

34 posted on 01/23/2013 4:57:57 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Lonely Bull

I don’t like plastic bags. The groceries fall out all over the trunk floor, sometimes spilling their contents (Windex). The bags blow into my yard, on the streets & parks, & they are a hazard for animals & fish. Plastic grocery bags suck!

Paper bags were so much better. They stand in the trunk, as do the items they contain - no spills. There are a hundred things you can do with a (free) paper bag! They make great luggage in a pinch. They melt in the environment. They are made from a renewable resource. Water is their only enemy, yet including a little wax on the bag, as paper cups do, could solve that problem.

Regardless, I do not favor a ban on plastic bags. Reliance on reusable bags will end up making a lot of people sick from contaminated bags, justifying more packaging on individual grocery items, using even more plastic to seal the packages. Packaging is already a nightmare - we don’t need more!

Paper bags are the solution, IMO.


35 posted on 01/23/2013 5:21:26 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Minutemen

“You can actually re-use existing plastic bags”

Yes, and I reuse mine. After bringing home the bacon in them, I then fill them with trash, and carry them to my burning place. This is also a way to keep them from filling landfills.


36 posted on 01/23/2013 5:30:00 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Lonely Bull

We’ve got way too many politicians in this country.


37 posted on 01/23/2013 5:55:33 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If it saves just one senior citizen's life, the fight against ObamaCare will have been worth it.)
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To: Minutemen

You can actually re-use existing plastic bags!


They’re highly efficient. For storage, many bags can be stuffed into a small, stiff cardboard box (oatmeal container works well) and easily retrieved for use.

My grandmother actually braided the things into strips, which she then formed into small throw rugs!


38 posted on 01/23/2013 6:10:51 AM PST by VAarea
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To: Lonely Bull

Dang, usually the Austin hippies follows Kaleefornika, but they beat them on this one. No single use plastic bags will be available there after Feb 2013.


Following a three hour discussion on the issue, the Austin City Council voted unanimously Thursday to pass the bag ban ordinance.

Retail stores will not be able to offer single-use plastic or paper bags at check out beginning in March of 2013. Shoppers will be required to bring a reusable bag.

The city is expected to spend up to $2 million to educate residents about the change.


http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/morning_call/2012/03/austin-passes-plastic-bag-ban.html


39 posted on 01/23/2013 6:17:26 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: Lonely Bull

What am I going to carry my ammo out of the store in?


40 posted on 01/23/2013 6:21:52 AM PST by artichokegrower
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To: Domangart

I use the plastics bags for the Catbox specimens. I burst them when I fling them into the dumpster, though. So when the Google van comes through rummaging for data they can sell, they have to wade though it.


41 posted on 01/23/2013 6:28:28 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: artichokegrower
What am I going to carry my ammo out of the store in?

Wheelbarrow.
42 posted on 01/23/2013 6:58:42 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Global cooling in the 70’s , then Global Warming and now Climate Change to hedge their bets to steal tax dollars and social engineer society.


43 posted on 01/23/2013 7:36:54 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Lonely Bull
Are we all supposed to forget that it was the loons on the left that demanded the use of plastic bags in place of paper?
44 posted on 01/23/2013 8:06:37 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: DemforBush

Something to think about....if the bags are carrying bacteria, a contaminated box of crackers would infect your hands as you open it to get to the crackers and eat them.

The plastic grocery bags used to be fairly strong. Now I notice half of them are breaking apart by the time I get my groceries home. I wonder if they’re deliberately making them this way so people will switch to reusables.


45 posted on 01/23/2013 8:10:31 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: CatherineofAragon
In Monkey County Maryland ( THE Freak state) they not only require plastic bags but they have the nerve to "tax" them @ 5 cents each. I'm sure the money is "for the children" or something. I would only use plastic bags for their i8ntended use: putting over the heads of LIBs and other insufferable pin-headed dimwits.
46 posted on 01/23/2013 9:01:26 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Lonely Bull
Most CA cities on the leftist dominated coast have already banned plastic and paper bags. The wacked out Rat assemblyman wants to extend that to the conservative interior of the state. Since the Rats have a super-majority in both houses thanks to conservatives staying home in the last election, they can do anything they want. So this is a done deal.

Does anyone know where you can buy grocery store style bags? The trash bags sold in the stores are different and much more expensive.
47 posted on 01/23/2013 12:35:34 PM PST by fifedom
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To: Lonely Bull

A similar bill, SB 113, was just introduced in the Oregon legislature.


48 posted on 01/23/2013 1:26:19 PM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: hal ogen
"I would only use plastic bags for their i8ntended use: putting over the heads of LIBs and other insufferable pin-headed dimwits."

LOL!

49 posted on 01/23/2013 5:09:47 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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