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MILLER: National ‘assault weapon’ ban coming Thursday
The Washington Times ^ | 22 January, 2013 | Emily Miller

Posted on 01/23/2013 4:21:18 AM PST by marktwain

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To: Farmer Dean; Bryan24
Registered automatic weapons are legal in most states.

That is true, but for 27 years, no new registerable automatic weapons have been manufactured. The registry is closed, and the number of machine guns transferrable to 'civilians' (non-LEO/mil) is fixed. That is why they are so expensive.

And every time they are transferred, the FedGov wants a bunch of fingerprints, forms, and $200. Every time. A buddy told me the average time these days is between 6 months and a year. Just to transfer a gun.

If Frankenfeinstein makes all 20 million or so AR-15's into the same class (registered with NFA, $200 transfer, fingerprints), how long will it take to transfer one of those?

Answer: you'll never get it. And she knows it.

RESIST, my friends.

51 posted on 01/23/2013 5:39:45 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: jsanders2001

“I’m beginning to think they are being staged”

No, I don’t see that happening, YET! There may be some copycat incidents occuring. In this crazy world, there are just some people who cannot separate video games, movies, and TV shows from reality. Then something in their life triggers an incident. Just like the latest incident where the 15-year old killed his whole family. He was heavily into video games, had a 12-year old girlfriend, and probably thought his parents were too restrictive. Voila, just shoot them, like in the video game, that will take care of the problem.


52 posted on 01/23/2013 5:42:02 AM PST by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: jsanders2001

“I’m beginning to think they are being staged”

No, I don’t see that happening, YET! There may be some copycat incidents occuring. In this crazy world, there are just some people who cannot separate video games, movies, and TV shows from reality. Then something in their life triggers an incident. Just like the latest incident where the 15-year old killed his whole family. He was heavily into video games, had a 12-year old girlfriend, and probably thought his parents were too restrictive. Voila, just shoot them, like in the video game, that will take care of the problem.


53 posted on 01/23/2013 5:42:29 AM PST by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: jsanders2001

Women like power more than sex. This is a power trip. You need to learn more about women.


54 posted on 01/23/2013 5:44:02 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Paradox
If they pass such a ban, I will, for the first time in my life, purchase an “assault rifle”, before it goes into effect.

I know many who did it before the last ban. They still have them, the ones that didn't go down with the boat anyways.

55 posted on 01/23/2013 5:44:29 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: crosshairs

Don’t forget that this is a Kabuki theater presentation.

DiFi’s bill is SO egregious, on purpose, and from a “safe” senate seat, there’s no way anyone expects it to pass.

However, “in the name of compromise”, something less onerous, but still far more restrictive and unconstitutional that we can allow, will make it up for a vote.

Look for a reinstatement of the 1994 ban on mags and features.


56 posted on 01/23/2013 5:46:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Bingo! This is their modus operandi. And the GOP is too stupid to see it.


57 posted on 01/23/2013 5:50:02 AM PST by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: Little Ray
So, how does this person expect to get it through house. Even with Boehner as Speaker, the ‘Pubbies are not gong to commit this sort of suicide.

You underestimate the GOP's ability and desire to stab America in the back and shred the Constitution in order to get invited to cocktail parties with the beautiful people.

58 posted on 01/23/2013 5:54:06 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: ImNotLying

stupid or complicit?


59 posted on 01/23/2013 5:59:01 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain

For her to introduce this as a separate bill means nothing, because everyone knows it would never pass as such. It’s a PR stunt.

If the Democrats were serious, and they might be, they will insert gun control language into unrelated “must pass” legislation, in the middle of the night on Friday, in a bill like the NDAA, which the Democrats have used twice now to insert repugnant and unconstitutional fascism.

Because they know that many Republicans will never vote against a defense bill, no matter what malignant cancer it contains.

The “indefinite detention of Americans by the military” law in the last NDAA is outrageously unconstitutional, far worse than the stupid “assault weapons and big magazines” bans. Yet Republicans didn’t stand up against it, so why expect they would stand against this?

My point is to look for the *real* villainy to arrive, not with a fanfare of drums and trumpets, but like a thief in the night, and importantly, a hundred or a thousand times worse than this bit.

Bottom line: the Democrats want full registration as a means to gun elimination, just as much as it exists in Australia and England. Anything they do right now is just a first step in that direction. They will take anything they can get, but they will always push to get more, until there is nothing left.

This is why it is so vital to slap them down, and hard, from the very start, because if they are serious, the Republicans will not stand in their way.


60 posted on 01/23/2013 5:59:01 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: cuban leaf
It’s why I bought my SKS during the Clinton years along with 500 rounds.

Us serious shooters have a term for 500 rounds - a good start.

61 posted on 01/23/2013 6:00:36 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: T-Bird45

Is a “bullet button” related to “the thing that goes up”??? I thought I was reasonably informed on firearms terminology but those two just escape me. Can somebody please translate?


A “bullet button” is a magazine release that uses the tip of a bullet (instead of your fingertip) to release the magazine. It gets around California’s ban on detachable magazines because it requires a “tool.”

I have seen an alternative that works differently, and will get around this ban.


62 posted on 01/23/2013 6:00:39 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Truth2012

That and horsies. Guess nobody showed hussein the pics of the specops guys on horseback in assghanistan in late 2001 and early 2002 huh? Of course they weren’t a sanctioned horse brigade so maybe that doesn’t count. What a buffoon. Sadly he’s got an AMEX black card that he let’s moosechelle antoinette use to buy wighats on our dime.

Molon labe.

Prepare to become a felon.


63 posted on 01/23/2013 6:01:14 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: marktwain

Senators in red states will not cooperate. It may get out of committee, but I doubt it will come up for a vote because it would not pass.

Only the safest blue state Democrats can ignore what’s going on out there: 250,000+ new members of the NRA, record sales of guns and ammo from coast to coast, major vendors pulling out of sports shows because of organizers’ bans on semi-automatics, an overload of phone lines and email boxes of Senators and Congressmen, the NRA and other 2nd Amendment advocacy groups threatening to support primary challengers to sitting politicians.

Obama and Dems have over reached and lost this one. He’ll issue a few EO’s to save face, but they will be nothing more than directives to better enforce existing laws.

Keep the pressure on the red state Senators.


64 posted on 01/23/2013 6:02:02 AM PST by randita
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To: marktwain

The Bass Pro Shop near me (Great Lakes Crossing, Auburn Hills Michigan) normally has about 60 linear ft of handguns on display (3 shelves X 20 ft each). Saturday both bottom shelves were empty, and they had moved all the remaining pistols to the top shelf, which was also dwindling fast. There were about 30 people milling around the counter holding numbers, waiting their turn.


65 posted on 01/23/2013 6:03:42 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Mad Dawgg

“They have been illegal in this country since 1934.”


Nope, not illegal just must have a special license to own one.

The ones carried by our current soldiers ARE illegal (being made after 1986). The ones made and registered before are merely so rare that they cost 10-20 times what they would in a free market.


66 posted on 01/23/2013 6:06:35 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Hardastarboard

This is MUCH more important than some stupid budget. After all, this will save lives. NOT! Are there enough “fema camps” to handle the millions of newly minted felons? Where the heck is William Wallace when you need him? The downward spiral continues. Don’t think it has the legs but I’ve been wrong before. My wife reminds me of that. A LOT! LOL!

Molon labe.


67 posted on 01/23/2013 6:08:18 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: MrB

Look for a reinstatement of the 1994 ban on mags and features.


Or just the $200 uber-background check on new ARs (treated like silencers under the NFA).


68 posted on 01/23/2013 6:11:07 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Last Dakotan

Yeah. My problem is ammo is almost four times as expensive at Wal Mart as it is on the internet, but I don’t want to buy off the web because I don’t want to be tracked. Maybe a gun show would be a good place. Somewhere where I can pay cash.


69 posted on 01/23/2013 6:12:26 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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70 posted on 01/23/2013 6:23:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

John Kass

Doctor probes teen on guns in the home - January 23, 2013 - In pro-gun-regulation Illinois — where politicians would rather play gun control politics than fight the murderous street gangs — a young man was admitted to the hospital.

Read at:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0123-20130123,0,1990132.column

When the page loads click your PRINT PREVIEW to read the article.


71 posted on 01/23/2013 6:27:02 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: ImNotLying

My buddy had a Bushmaster he bought for $650 last summer. Sold it in the parking lot of a local gun show in MI for $2k last week.

I was going to make him an offer, but for that kind of money I’ll stick with my mini-14 until the prices drop for now.


72 posted on 01/23/2013 6:29:51 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: backwoods-engineer
If Frankenfeinstein makes all 20 million or so AR-15's into the same class (registered with NFA, $200 transfer, fingerprints), how long will it take to transfer one of those?

Reread the summary, she bans all sales and transfers outright.

73 posted on 01/23/2013 6:30:11 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: KeyLargo

how much are these democrat (or republicans) tied into the hoods in the hoods? it all seems too convenient.

the MSM is too lazy to look for these recent shootings stories. It would seem SOMEBODY is spoonfeeding.


74 posted on 01/23/2013 6:30:22 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SampleMan

so it is essentially a taking without compensation.

taking the right of one’s remainder estate. (your property of estate)

taking the right of one’s transfer. (your property value in converting from one asset to another)


75 posted on 01/23/2013 6:34:03 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marktwain

Not a complete quote,but would also require grandfathered weapons to be registered under the National Firearms Act,background ck of owner,type(of gun),serial #,photo and fingerprint and dedicated funding for the ATF to implement registration.


76 posted on 01/23/2013 6:41:19 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: longtermmemmory

Yes, its a confiscation law. Initially, the date of confiscation is your death, but don’t worry, they have 5 years in mind.


77 posted on 01/23/2013 6:43:29 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RandallFlagg

In the Austin TX area...one box per..if they happen to have them.


78 posted on 01/23/2013 6:44:37 AM PST by WCH
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To: isthisnickcool

“Impeach and remove or replace by the vote.”

Impeach: I think we both know that isn’t going to happen.

Remove or replace: We tried that but unpercedented fraud prevented it, remember?


79 posted on 01/23/2013 6:44:44 AM PST by selfdefense
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To: GlockThe Vote
Lol. You waited till now? Geez! Good luck finding anything.

I know! Friend of mine purchased one for about 500 several months ago, now? I could probably purchase a decent used car for less.

80 posted on 01/23/2013 6:46:22 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: marktwain

If it passes, I predict a sweeping wave of boating accidents in the near future.


81 posted on 01/23/2013 6:46:57 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: jsanders2001

I wouldn’t screw her with your dick, buddy!


82 posted on 01/23/2013 6:49:38 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Russ
The Senate can vote all they want but it takes both branches to pass a bill.

... or emperor Hussein to issue an edict.

83 posted on 01/23/2013 6:52:03 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Last Dakotan; cuban leaf

500 rounds is a fun afternoon.

If you have any Class III toys, 500 rounds is about two minutes of rock-n-roll.

500 rounds of .22lr is a box about 4” square. Of .223 about 8” square.

In 1999, 1000 rounds of .223 was $99 shipped. Now it’s closer to $1000 IF you can find it.


84 posted on 01/23/2013 7:10:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

That’s one reason I don’t shoot very often. I do it often enough to be accurate when I do, though.


85 posted on 01/23/2013 7:22:20 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain
Hey, Dianne,

Ban away, bitch.


86 posted on 01/23/2013 7:25:11 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: jsanders2001

2 or 3 species in fact ~ 2 of them holding one of them down!


87 posted on 01/23/2013 7:28:15 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Boomer One

The “ invalid corp” might be just the ticket to take out some of these a$$holes!


88 posted on 01/23/2013 7:35:17 AM PST by Renegade
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To: tgusa

My wife and I love the idea of using our SS checks to buy ammo and firearms. The govt. is funding us to protect us and our family members from THEM in the future.


89 posted on 01/23/2013 7:41:24 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Redleg Duke

It won’t pass, it’s not even intended to pass.

It’s “cover fire” for the “compromise bill” that they really want.

This is why it’s DiFi that’s offering it up. She’s safe in her seat to offer up this piece of crap and provide a “starting point for compromise”.

And don’t think the GOPers are ignorant of this tactic.
If anything they may even be complicit.


90 posted on 01/23/2013 7:41:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain

“Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s office confirmed that she will be introducing in the Senate Thursday a new version of the so-called assault weapon ban”

Where it will promptly be sent to committee and die. Dingy Harry has practically said he’s not going to bring gun control legislation to the floor of the Senate for vote as too many Dems will be at risk if they vote for it.


91 posted on 01/23/2013 7:43:46 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Beelzebubba
A “bullet button” is a magazine release that uses the tip of a bullet (instead of your fingertip) to release the magazine. It gets around California’s ban on detachable magazines because it requires a “tool.”

I love the American spirit of innovation to overcome obstacles.

92 posted on 01/23/2013 7:48:29 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
In the United States the vast majority of illegal firearm crimes and murders are committied with handguns and not "so called" assault weapons. This leads to the question of why the far left is concentrating its full effort on banning this type of rifle. The answer is quite simple. They fear this rifle as it is the type of weapon that will be used in defense against a tyrannical central government hell bent on disarming the populace and tearing up the rights given us in the Constitution. It is no more and no less.

It must never be forgotten that our fore fathers debated the reason and need of the Second Amendment. It is quite clear that it was given to us to protect us from tyranny from within our government in addition to repeal external threats. See quotes below:

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." THOMAS JEFFERSON

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria) THOMAS JEFFERSON

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." THOMAS JEFFERSON When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." THOMAS JEFFERSON

"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for." THOMAS JEFFERSON The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." THOMAS JEFFERSON

“The constitution shall never be construed...to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” ― ALEXANDER HAMILTON

"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals." President JAMES MONROE (November 16, 1818)

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." THOMAS JEFFERSON

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." THOMAS JEFFERSON, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776

"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security." THOMAS JEFFERSON (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President. Source: Eighth Annual Message, November 8, 1808

"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." SAMUEL ADAMS of Massachusetts -- U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

"...It is always dangerous to the liberties of the people to have an army stationed among them, over which they have no control...The Militia is composed of free Citizens. There is therefore no danger of their making use of their power to the destruction of their own Rights, or suffering others to invade them." SAMUEL ADAMS

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation... Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." JAMES MADISON, Federalist Papers, #46 at 243-244.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person." JAMES MADISON, Proposed Amendments to the Constitution June 8, 1789

"A people armed and free forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition and is a bulwark for the nation against foreign invasion and DOMESTIC OPPRESSION. JAMES MADISON (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President

FOLLOW THE BELOW LINK FOR MANY QUOTES OF OUR FORE FATHERS ON THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE CONTITUTION IS VERY CLEAR. THESE ARE THE MEN THAT DEBATED WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE (THE DEBATE WAS over TWO YEARS VIA PUBLICATIONS I.E. THE FEDERALIST PAPERS.


http://www.savetheguns.com/quotes.htm

93 posted on 01/23/2013 8:04:12 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: cpdiii

this link works

http://www.savetheguns.com/quotes.htm


94 posted on 01/23/2013 8:19:35 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: marktwain

****This means that if a gun has just one item like a pistol grip or bayonet lug,*****

And how many people were killed with bayonets on the end of rifles?


95 posted on 01/23/2013 8:20:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: SampleMan

confiscation via death
obamacare duty to die
obamacare duty to confiscate.


96 posted on 01/23/2013 8:21:50 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marktwain

***This means that if a gun has just one item like a pistol grip or bayonet lug,****

With a compass in the stock, or a thing that tells time!


97 posted on 01/23/2013 8:22:19 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I also hear that those pistol grips like to kill. Without a pistol grip...the gun doesn’t work.


98 posted on 01/23/2013 8:22:45 AM PST by halo66
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To: randita

mere ownership is defending the United States.

mere ownership is civil rights.

mere ownership is driving up the stock market.

I am waiting for the song “Grandma got a shot gun for Christmas” by the boston philharmonic.


99 posted on 01/23/2013 8:26:11 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: halo66

***I also hear that those pistol grips like to kill. Without a pistol grip...the gun doesn’t work.***

Many years ago, Robert K Brown, publisher of SOLDIER OF FORTUNE MAGAZINE, obtained one of the first AK-74 rifles in 5.45mm out of Afghanistan.

I assume it did not work as the pistol grip was broke off.
Oh wait! The bayonet lug was still on it so it might have worked after all.


100 posted on 01/23/2013 8:39:54 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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