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AP IMPACT: Recession, tech kill middle-class jobs
AP ^ | Jan 22, 2013 | BERNARD CONDON and PAUL WISEMAN

Posted on 01/23/2013 7:02:56 AM PST by george76

Five years after the start of the Great Recession, the toll is terrifyingly clear: Millions of middle-class jobs have been lost in developed countries the world over. And the situation is even worse than it appears.

Most of the jobs will never return, and millions more are likely to vanish as well, say experts who study the labor market. What's more, these jobs aren't just being lost to China and other developing countries, and they aren't just factory work. Increasingly, jobs are disappearing in the service sector, home to two-thirds of all workers

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this "hollowing out" of the middle-class workforce is far from over.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbc40.net ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: expected; jobs; middleclassjobs; unexpected

1 posted on 01/23/2013 7:03:00 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

It’s absolutely fascinating how the traditional news outlets can report about terrible economic conditions, and the public refuses to attribute any of it to Obama’s policies, (or lack thereof).

Those who used to mock the dinosaur media were terribly wrong. The public is so stupid that the MSM is more powerful than ever.


2 posted on 01/23/2013 7:08:30 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: george76

Government destroys jobs. Progress destroys some jobs but creates new ones in the process.

They are trying to give the socialists a pass.


3 posted on 01/23/2013 7:11:21 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: george76
Bull! The amount of time people struggle with said computers more than makes up for the time "saved".
It's just a way of blaming the recession on anything and anyone except the politicians responsible for it.
If people have work, if they have an income and is allowed to keep it, they will buy products and services.

4 posted on 01/23/2013 7:12:50 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: george76
the induced slide of our nation from a manufacturing based economy to a service oriented economy has slowed a recovery from the recession - considerably. Bring back the jobs?? then bring back the manufacturing sector!!
5 posted on 01/23/2013 7:17:34 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: brownsfan

The public is so stupid that the MSM is more powerful than ever.


I think you are correct. It will be bread and circuses right up to the bitter end. And it will be bitter, indeed.


6 posted on 01/23/2013 7:25:11 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: brownsfan
and the public refuses to attribute any of it to Obama’s policies

The goal is to convince an operating majority to come to one conclusion and one conclusion ONLY.

Capitalism has FAILED! Time to start shopping the alternatives.


7 posted on 01/23/2013 7:26:27 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: george76
I am concerned about this too. There are two disruptive technologies about to enter the workforce. One is self driving vehicles, which will eliminate millions of driving jobs like truck drivers, taxis, and even non driving jobs, like hotels. The second is Watson, which can eliminate whole classes of jobs that require knowledge and thinking, not just monotonous movements.

Watson on Jeopardy

8 posted on 01/23/2013 7:29:34 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: BitWielder1

Denying the role of computers in improving efficiency is foolish.


9 posted on 01/23/2013 7:33:00 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: george76

It doesn’t help that now that this automation is available, Obama is working to drive up the price of human labor. It is a no brainer decisio to automate as much as possible when management doesn’t know what is coming from govermnet next to drive up labor costs.


10 posted on 01/23/2013 7:34:11 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: george76
The concept of adapting to the changing work environment, rather than sitting back like Cargo Cultists, and waiting for the good times to return is alien to these people.


11 posted on 01/23/2013 7:42:17 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: george76

Yeah, that’s what’s causing it.

It has nothing to do with deficit spending killing the dollar, or taking money from those who earn it to give to those who refuse to earn it, or the miles of punitive regulations and fees that the Managed Socialist state puts on businesses thus forcing their operations overseas to stay in business, or the massive hidden tax called inflation or the ridiculously high cost of energy (oil) despite worldwide gluts.

Yeah, it’s all because of technological advancements

AP, still bending over and grabbing their ankles for Obammie and his Commies.


12 posted on 01/23/2013 7:44:52 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: brownsfan

Isn’t that amazing. It never fails. Based upon recent history we know that if this were George Bush’s administration the corrupt, propaganda MSM would daily be dumping this at his feet. But with Obama, it’s some strange, mysterious outside world force.

Remember the saying that when the American economy sniffles the rest of the world gets a cold or the flu? Whatever happened to American leadership?

Obama has been president for over 4 years now, despite all the distractions, WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

When will our economy get better?

Remember the stimulus? Obamacare? Obama and Democrats assurred us that all this debt and bureacracy would greatly assist the economy.

Where is the recovery Mr. Obama?


13 posted on 01/23/2013 7:47:42 AM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

It’s a really vicious cycle we are in right now. Obama is DEFINITELY killing jobs, especially small businesses and he’s growing the government which as a producer, does nothing but take resources and mostly squander them. Technology has definitely replaced humans in the workplace & will continue to do so - I’ve worked in a small business (35 employees) and been able to automate (with one program) payroll, timesheets, A/R, A/P, and project management. I could run it all for the most part and did for several years ... didn’t need an A/R person plus an A/P person and a payroll person. One brother is an industrial engineer so he is constantly looking at automation opportunities. Regardless of what people think of Obama and the damage he’s doing, technology/automation is a factor in today’s job loss situation; however, it does take a business to automate/hire people and Obama is making sure such opportunities are becoming extinct.


14 posted on 01/23/2013 7:49:50 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: BitWielder1

Yeah, we might as well be riding horses and buggies because I waste time tinkering under the hood of my car. We cured polio, but people still get sick so what’s the use? Electricity seems great and all, but there’s nothing to watch on tv. What’s the use of writing when I’m still expected to remember things?/s


15 posted on 01/23/2013 7:54:08 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: MissMagnolia
Yeah, I don't doubt all that, but NO jobs are being CREATED under Obama! That puts us in the cycle you suggest, a cycle that forces businesses to automate as fast as possible to offset the rapidly growing cost of doing business under Obama.
16 posted on 01/23/2013 7:54:55 AM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: george76

Good article. Bump for later.


17 posted on 01/23/2013 7:55:49 AM PST by Senator_Blutarski
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To: MissMagnolia

It’s a factor, okay, but it’s a longterm factor. It has nothing to do with this recession in particular and is ongoing during boom times, too.


18 posted on 01/23/2013 7:56:12 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Obadiah

“Where is the recovery Mr. Obama?”

This is beyond anything I could have ever imagined. The public is stupid beyond my worst fears. And the media seemingly will accept anything, no matter how bad it is, as long as it’s their savior in charge. This is instructive, and explains how atrocities happened in communist states without public uprising.


19 posted on 01/23/2013 7:58:37 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: george76

Another lame-excuse piece from AP that you would never see if a Republican was presiding over this disasterous economy.


20 posted on 01/23/2013 8:06:13 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MissMagnolia
One thing that I think we can easily do is fight for more homeschooling. This has many benefits, as it can take unemployed people who are discouraged, and immediately give them something productive and rewarding to do, and it does not cost government money. Second, the homeschooled kids do learn more, and so they do get prepared to live in a new world of more intense competition for jobs.

I think red states should take the lead on this issue, it is easily a winnable issue for us.

21 posted on 01/23/2013 8:08:00 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Tublecane; Obadiah

I agree with you both that Obama and his job/country killing policies are first and foremost the reason for what is going on. The automation/technology issue throws salt on the wounds ... but Obama is responsible for the wound (near fatal if not fatal) in the first place.


22 posted on 01/23/2013 8:09:36 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: BitWielder1; SoothingDave; Tublecane
The amount of time people struggle with said computers more than makes up for the time "saved".

Sorry, please allow me to retract that. Technological advances have indeed made our lives a lot easier, despite the frustrating moments where the tech does not work quite as well as advertised.
Efficiency is good. To blame the recession on "too much efficiency" is ludicrous.
We should look at where efficiency is lacking instead, like government and bureaucracy.
If people were truly free to work and trade without burdensome government regulation and taxation, we would not have this recession.

23 posted on 01/23/2013 8:14:03 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Technological advances do NOT eliminate jobs, they create a whole new universe of employment opportunities in their wake.

There is a short-term displacement while one income-producing task set is replaced by another, and a sometimes steep learning curve until the new tasks are put on a paying basis.

Face it, most task sets are boring as hell, and in actuality, most people now engaged in this mind-numbing activity would be GLAD to leave that sort of ennui for a more exciting interaction with their environment. Thus the popularity of computer gaming. Unfortunately, a lot of that comes on company time, and eventually leads to dismissal.


24 posted on 01/23/2013 8:15:30 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: SoothingDave

“Denying the role of computers in improving efficiency is foolish.”

Agree, in fact Jack Kilby and Robert Noyce should be credited as the two most significant people in changing our economy from heavy industry to high tech/information based. Additionally, these two men should be credit with having the most influence in bringing women into high paying technical and managerial positions, much more than any so called women’s advocacy groups or people have done.


25 posted on 01/23/2013 8:18:25 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: george76

There was some rather “simplistic” thinking when the article explained how jobs are being “stolen” through technology. For instance, it said if you buy something on line, you’ve eliminated the need for a salesperson.

I work for an online retailer. We still have salespeople to talk to customers about products, but many of our orders do come in from people ordering online with no assistance. But online ordering creates a whole other subset of jobs.

To maintain a website, you need webmasters, and programmers. Marketing folk to manage online advertising.

In a traditional store, you didn’t have folks constantly shipping product. Plus an online retailer works shifts practically round the clock, instead of a tradition 9 to 9 work day. So more shifts mean more people employed.

Nor do you employ people to deal with product technical questions (in a traditional store the salesperson would do all of those things) but online retail moves so fast, you have to have different folks doing each of these jobs simultaneously.

Then there are the warranty and return employees who just deal with those customer service type of jobs or tracking orders for customers.

In the online sales business, I see many more jobs being created than in a “brick and mortar” store. And many of the brick and mortars also run a website to be competitive, so they’re hiring many more folks than if they were just brick and mortar (Walmart, prime example. $45 order gets you free shipping of their product to your house...and our orders usually arrive within 2 or 3 days...so no more trips to Walmart anymore for things we usually buy there.)

It just seems the author didn’t completely think through the jobs that technology creates in some industries.


26 posted on 01/23/2013 8:38:59 AM PST by memyselfandi59
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To: Vince Ferrer

...like the car replaced the horse? We need to bring back blacksmiths!!!

I wouldn’t worry too much :) The “self driving car” is still a long way from being viable (think lawsuits). When you see these demonstrations, remember, they’re just “demos”. They’re also often conducted in California, where the roads are great and the sky is usually clear. Now think of a Michigan winter; construction, potholes, snow, ice, etc. - I can barely see the lanes or figure out what I’m supposed to do sometimes. When a car can figure all that out - AND NEVER GET IT WRONG - then we’ll have something, my guess is that such a feature will need to be turned off half the time.

Remember the Prius accelerator issue? Now multiply that x1000 (in terms of technical issues) and consider the lawsuits the instant that somebody “thinks” the car was to blame. Good luck with that.


27 posted on 01/23/2013 8:49:28 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: BitWielder1
We should look at where efficiency is lacking instead

Having worked in IT at a number of companies for entirely too darn long, I can attest to the fact that business conversations have changed from "How do we improve the business?" to "How do we avoid this stupid regulation?".

The problem has accelerated rapidly over the past 5-6 years. This situation can't end well.

28 posted on 01/23/2013 9:01:20 AM PST by wbill
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To: fuzzylogic
I wouldn’t worry too much :) The “self driving car” is still a long way from being viable (think lawsuits). When you see these demonstrations, remember, they’re just “demos”. They’re also often conducted in California, where the roads are great and the sky is usually clear. Now think of a Michigan winter; construction, potholes, snow, ice, etc. - I can barely see the lanes or figure out what I’m supposed to do sometimes. When a car can figure all that out - AND NEVER GET IT WRONG - then we’ll have something, my guess is that such a feature will need to be turned off half the time.

I think they will be here far faster than you think, and the snow states will get them first. Scanners for these cars can work in frequencies where water, snow, and dust are simply transparent. The sensors will see as well in a whiteout blizzard as on a sunny day. As for liability, I used to think that too, but it depends on who accepts the liability. If a trucking company is not liable for software mistakes, but is liable for a human driver's mistakes, then we will see a very rapid transition.

Both the development of self driving cars, and the cars themselves, will operate like a swarm. they can drive hundereds of cars at a time, and software learn from all of them in parallel. This cuts development time.

When they operate, they will act as a swarm as well, communicating with each other about road hazards they encounter . An individual driver will not have the amount of information the self driving cars will have.

29 posted on 01/23/2013 5:15:07 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: alloysteel
Technological advances do NOT eliminate jobs, they create a whole new universe of employment opportunities in their wake.

There is no law of physics which guarantees that for every job lost due to technical innovation, another job will open up, if that person retrains themselves. This is especially true when the government is taking steps to stifle job growth across the whole economy. The innovations I am interested in will considerably disrupt the workforce in a stagnant economy like ours.

30 posted on 01/23/2013 5:21:33 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: brownsfan

It’s globalism. That is the disasterous economic policy that is crashing the middle class in the West and it’s the same in both parties.

It’s hard to comepte with the slaves of China and India unless we become cheaper slaves than they are. Our elite set out with the purpose of bringing poor third world nations into our education, technology and wealth. They knew they were crashing us to do it. It’s been an exercise in global wealth and power transfer.

Economic globalism has been a disaster for the US. Cultural globalism is a disaster for the globe. Western Globalists are treasonous, greedy blind men and “we are the world” idealists.

Killing our constitutional freedom and Europe’s freedom is one of the necessities for globalism to “progress.” We can’t be free and economically strapped to the guarenteed poverty of globalism.


31 posted on 01/23/2013 9:08:51 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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