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‘Universal Background Checks’ – Absolutely Not
Ammoland ^ | Jan 23, 2013 | Marion P. Hammer

Posted on 01/23/2013 8:58:13 AM PST by EXCH54FE

-(Ammoland.com)- Imagine a grandfather who wants to give a family shotgun to his 12-year-old grandson having to do a background check on his grandson before giving him the shotgun.

Or a friend having to do a background check on his lifetime best buddy before lending him a hunting rifle.

Or, if your mother had a prowler at her home, having to do a background check on your own Mom before you could give her one of your guns for protection.

That’s what “universal background checks” do. They turn traditional innocent conduct into a criminal offense. They target you, law-abiding gun owners.

Universal background checks are background checks on EVERY transfer, sale, purchase, trade, gift, rental, and loan of a firearm between any and all individuals.

All background checks must be conducted through a federally licensed dealer. (costing hard earned cash) Universal background checks have nothing to do with gun shows – they are about you.

Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/01/universal-background-checks-absolutely-not/#ixzz2IompYikF

(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/23/2013 8:58:16 AM PST by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

imagien a president or governor who said “I’m not takign away your right to free speech, however, you’re no lognwer allowed to say such and such (add whaTEVER words you wish) unless you pass a background check, AND unless you pass a mental health evaluation- Do You Suppose there woudl be ANY question abotu hte legality or constitutinality of that? Of course not- yet that’s EXACTLY what these gove3rnors and pres are doing with the second amendment


2 posted on 01/23/2013 9:05:18 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: EXCH54FE

BUT, it would ensure that drug kingpins would have to do background checks before arming their street dealers....


3 posted on 01/23/2013 9:06:06 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: EXCH54FE

Gang Bangers would have to do background checks prior to arming new recruits...


4 posted on 01/23/2013 9:07:27 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: EXCH54FE
Relevant proposed legislation - House Bills:
HR 21: NRA Members' Gun Safety Act of 2013. Referred to the Judicary committee.
HR 34: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2013. Referred to the Judicary committee.
HR 117: Handgun Licensing and Registration Act of 2013. Referred to the Judicary committee.
HR 137: Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013. Referred to the Judicary committee.
HR 141: Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2013. Referred to the Judicary committee.
HR 238: Fire Sale Loophole Closing Act. Referred to the Judicary committee.

Senate Bills have no text available yet:
S22: A bill to establish background check procedures for gun shows.
S33: A bill to prohibit the transfer or possession of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes.
S34: A bill to increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or suspected dangerous terrorists.
S35: A bill to require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition.
S54: A bill to increase public safety by punishing and deterring firearms trafficking. ("trafficking = "private sales")

5 posted on 01/23/2013 9:07:36 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: EXCH54FE
Background checks is not about solving a real problem, it is another symbolic act that allows politicians to say they are doing something, when in fact no significant change will result. It is a way to put some words on paper that will not work, but allow politicians to go on with the business of gridlock.

The Dept. of Justice did a survey of where criminals get their firearms and guess what it found? Less than 2% of the firearms that criminals got were from gun shows and flea markets.

Street/illegal source 39.2 40.8
Friends or family 39.6 33.8
Gun show 0.7 0.6
Flea market 1.0 1.3
Pawnshop 3.8 4.2
Retail store 8.3 14.7
Purchased from – 13.9 20.8
Total 100.0% 100.0%
Source of gun 1997 1991

It is already illegal for someone to give or sell a firearm to a felon. The real source of firearms for criminals is family, fellow gang members and illegal street sources. Those sources are not going to go with the felon down to the local gun story to get a firearm transferred as they know they will go to jail, so they will ignore this nice potentially new law and provide the felon with the firearm he wants.

Much ado about nothing.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf

6 posted on 01/23/2013 9:08:46 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: EXCH54FE

And what if the background check showed that the person was an illegal alien?


7 posted on 01/23/2013 9:14:04 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: EXCH54FE

The ruling class plans to take away guns while saying that they aren’t.


8 posted on 01/23/2013 9:16:56 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: VRW Conspirator
And what if the background check showed that the person was an illegal alien?

Put him up for election!!!

9 posted on 01/23/2013 9:18:37 AM PST by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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To: EXCH54FE

What comes after this? Background checks to buy a car?
Background checks to buy sissors, knives, razor blades?
I’m sorry maam, your chocolate check has come back
negative. (that could be hazardous to your health)

I’m sorry sir, here at Barnes and Noble we cannot sell
conservative literature without a mental health check...
Have you read Das Kapital? No need for a check for that.


10 posted on 01/23/2013 9:19:27 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: I want the USA back

Oh, they don’t just want background checks, they want fingerprints.

I’ve been advocating that in states like WA, where they give drivers’ licenses to illegals that finger prints should be provided in lieu of a legal birth certificate and the left is horrified, but they want to finger print gun owners.


11 posted on 01/23/2013 9:19:43 AM PST by Eva
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To: EXCH54FE

Google and Facebook would both be envious of that database, coupled with the medical database

There is a Movie script here somewhere

TT


12 posted on 01/23/2013 9:36:04 AM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: EXCH54FE

They could demand background checks on all US citizens, so the federal govt would know everybody ‘s history and have it in a big database. Not just gun owners. That’s their end game, spying on us.


13 posted on 01/23/2013 9:40:37 AM PST by virgil
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To: EXCH54FE

Universal background checks are just smokescreen for government licensing of all gun possession. Once they have it in place, they will begin restricting the process until it’s all over for the 2nd amendment.


14 posted on 01/23/2013 9:40:48 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Universal background checks are just smokescreen for government licensing of all gun possession. Once they have it in place, they will begin restricting the process until it’s all over for the 2nd amendment.


15 posted on 01/23/2013 9:40:48 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Where do the Oppressive Gun grabbers think they have the Authority to control everyone’s persona l property?

If the petty tyrants can asset control over the people in these instances, what else can they control?

Extend this to a ‘Background’ (health) check before you can buy a cheeseburger.

Maybe a ‘Background’ check before you buy certain books or magazines (high crap capacity or not).

Where would it end?


16 posted on 01/23/2013 9:55:05 AM PST by HammerT (The Obama Recession, you bone it you own it.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I believe such a requirement would be met with a not so cheery “Know thyself”...in the biblical sense.

How in the world are they ever going to even know about such scenarios unless you are feckless enough to offer them? While it may be technically correct, I certainly would not even think about a backround check on my grandson. Why the heck would anyone do that?


17 posted on 01/23/2013 9:55:44 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: EXCH54FE
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
~ Ayn Rand ~
18 posted on 01/23/2013 9:56:13 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: EXCH54FE

That’s what “universal background checks” do. They turn traditional innocent conduct into a criminal offense. They target you, law-abiding gun owners.

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” - Ayn Rand


19 posted on 01/23/2013 10:16:36 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Liberty Valance

Great minds...


20 posted on 01/23/2013 10:20:15 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: EXCH54FE

Beyond all the scenarios such as Grandpa giving a gun to Grandson, the problem is, registration leads to confiscation. History shows this. We can’t allow for gun registration, because we know what inevitably follows.

They can’t confiscate them if they don’t know you have them.


21 posted on 01/23/2013 10:57:18 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: EXCH54FE
Posted on Yahoo via the AP, so it is suspect:

NRA chief says group accepts background checks

Snippets: "But association president David Keene also says too much emphasis has been placed on banning certain firearms. . . . He said the NRA has been 'generally supportive' of stronger background checks."

If true, the between the sell-outs Mitch McConnell and the NRA, we have a tough fight ahead of us.

22 posted on 01/23/2013 11:14:25 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Persevero

I can just see all the good ‘ol boys in the South happily complying with this.


23 posted on 01/23/2013 11:15:08 AM PST by Himyar
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To: EXCH54FE

I DO NOT recognize The Bill Of Rights being subject to any sort of licensure.


24 posted on 01/23/2013 11:15:31 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Oatka; All

“He said the NRA has been ‘generally supportive’ of stronger background checks.”

In context, he was talking about more information about mentally ill people being put into the existing system.

But, you have a point here. Once you agree with the principle that you can achieve something useful by putting restrictions on most people before they buy in order to attempt to stop a few people who should not have guns, you have opened the door to national registration and eventual confiscation.

This all driven by smoke and mirrors. The failed paradigm of “background checks” has never reduced crime anywhere. It is just a smoke screen to get people used to having the government control guns.

It is the MSM that is the major culprit here. They are the ones who facilitate the irrational debate.

The MSM must die that the Republic may live. Long live the new media!


25 posted on 01/23/2013 11:48:30 AM PST by marktwain
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