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Gangster picnic (Mafia Summit in Apalachin)
NY Post ^ | 01/20/2013 | MICHAEL KANE

Posted on 01/23/2013 11:25:38 AM PST by Kid Shelleen

Sgt. Ed Croswell of the New York State Police just couldn’t get past that puzzler, as he sat in his unmarked cop car in woodsy upstate Apalachin, pulled off to the side of muddy, bumpy McFall Road in autumn 1957 looking at the Chrysler Crown Imperial parked outside a stone farmhouse.

Maybe if it had just been the one well-polished land boat, Sgt. Croswell would’ve brushed it off. But there were a dozen parked alongside the driveway or pulled into a field by the rustic farm estate. Lincolns, Cadillacs, Continental

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*** Book Review ***
Mafia Summit: J. Edgar Hoover, the Kennedy Brothers, and the Meeting That Unmasked the Mob by Gil Reavill
1 posted on 01/23/2013 11:25:40 AM PST by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was behind the biggest law enforcement intelligence failure of the 20th century in repeatedly declaring that there was no such thing as the Mafia.

However, on November 14, 1957 state troopers raided the home of Joseph Barbara in Apalachin, NY where Italian crime bosses from across the country were meeting, and after the historic roundup even the good Director had to capitulate.

Following the Apalachin bust the FBI in 1958 released its so-called Mafia Monograph by which it at long last definitively recognized that “available evidence shows that beyond the shadow of a doubt, the Mafia does exist today in the United States, as well as in Sicily and Italy, as a vicious, evil, and tyrannical form of organized criminality.”


2 posted on 01/23/2013 11:31:33 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: Kid Shelleen
"Anastasia’s base was the waterfront in Red Hook, Brooklyn "

Elia Kazan's classic film about union corruption, "On the Waterfront", was based in Red Hook, Brooklyn.
3 posted on 01/23/2013 11:34:12 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: AtlasStalled
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was behind the biggest law enforcement intelligence failure of the 20th century in repeatedly declaring that there was no such thing as the Mafia.

While that may have been a major law enforcement intelligence failure, my vote for the biggest one would be the failure to capitalize on the defections of Whittaker Chambers, Walter Krivitsky, and others in the late 1930's and roll up the Soviet Union's spy rings.

4 posted on 01/23/2013 11:46:25 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Elia Kazan’s classic film about union corruption, “On the Waterfront”, was based in Red Hook, Brooklyn.

— one of my favorite movies. I think it was 1951, ‘52 or ‘53, and Kazan was so ahead of Hoover on the subject. The FBI file on Anastasia is about 1/4” thick. At the time of the Apalachin Summit Hoover had 200 agents targeting commies, and only 4 agents targeting mobsters. Hoover did some great things but he completely failed with the Mafia, and although many theories exist for his otherwise inexplicable failure in recognizing — let alone investigating — the Mafia the dereliction of duty will always remain an unfortunate black mark against the storied Director.


5 posted on 01/23/2013 11:48:15 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: Kid Shelleen

Last summer, I passed through Nichols, NY, which is about 17 miles from Appalachin. That’s beautiful country.


6 posted on 01/23/2013 11:48:30 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

As was the HP Lovecraft horror story “The Horror at Red Hook”.


7 posted on 01/23/2013 11:52:45 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Kid Shelleen
The local crime boss in Rochester, NY, from 1964-1972, Frank Valenti attended the Apalachin Meeting.
8 posted on 01/23/2013 11:54:59 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com/forums)
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To: Fiji Hill

roll up the Soviet Union’s spy rings.

Bbbbbut then we wouldn’t have the regime NOW.


9 posted on 01/23/2013 11:56:10 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

The Mob crime of the last century that got people so worked up is small potatoes when compared with the criminal activity from Washington DC that is commonplace today.


10 posted on 01/23/2013 11:58:04 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I’m guessin the ‘Rats didn’t like the competition.


11 posted on 01/23/2013 11:58:22 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Kid Shelleen; ml/nj; exit82; Liz; LottieDah; Impy; InterceptPoint; LucyT; Fedora; Eleutheria5; ...
How one 1957 meeting in upstate New York was the beginning of the end for the mob

Ever since John Gotti's conviction, the MSM and the federal government have been spreading a myth that organized crime in the United States is a phenomenon of the past. Down through the years, as some mobsters die off naturally or are executed or prosecuted and imprisoned, new generations come in to seize old and new opportunities.

The nexus between organized crime and the political world remains, with the lion's share of it in the Democratic Party as has been the case for a century or more.

As for Appalachin, it is true that it was an important historical event which changed the attitudes of many in law enforcement. But why do a book on it now?

12 posted on 01/23/2013 12:07:50 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

“The nexus between organized crime and the political world remains”

Agreed

“with the lion’s share of it in the Democratic Party as has been the case for a century or more.”

The mob’s been known to rear its ugly head in Republican Party circles in New York from time to time.


13 posted on 01/23/2013 12:09:52 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Everyone knew the Mafia existed. The question was whether they has as much influence as they said and did as much damage as they said. The Mafia probably killed 1/4 of the people they say they killed.

I went to college in a small Appalachian town. We had a restaurant that was owned by a guy who was mobbed up but on the run. They knew where to find him but left him alone as long as he bought his food from them.

A friend worked for a radio station owned by some folks in the NJ mob. They were tied in with a clothing store and a restaurant. The store sold Italian suits and I never saw anyone in it but they ran tons of ads between 1AM and 5AM on that station. The restaurant hired nothing but Sicilians right off the boat. It was a big money-laundering and immigration scheme.


14 posted on 01/23/2013 12:14:36 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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“The Mafia probably killed 1/4 of the people they say they killed.”

I’d be curious about the actual numbers.

I’ve read that mob-related killings in Chicago over the 20th century numbered between 1,000 and 3,000. Not surprisingly, prosecutions were brought for only a couple of dozen of them. No doubt the numbers for New York and New Jersey would be at least comparable to Chicagoland’s if not higher.


15 posted on 01/23/2013 12:25:09 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Several mobsters pointed out burial grounds but they usually found a fraction of the number alleged to be buried there.


16 posted on 01/23/2013 12:30:47 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
After Frank Valenti left Rochester in 1972, he was succeeded by Samuel "Red" Russotti, who had been his under boss. A power struggle ensued, which culminated in the A-Team, B-Team mob war. For a medium size city, Rochester sure did have it's share of mob activity!
17 posted on 01/23/2013 12:31:28 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com/forums)
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To: AppyPappy

“Several mobsters pointed out burial grounds but they usually found a fraction of the number alleged to be buried there.”

Good point.


18 posted on 01/23/2013 12:43:16 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AppyPappy
The restaurant hired nothing but Sicilians right off the boat. It was a big money-laundering and immigration scheme.

Ill bet their food was good. Most of the "Italian" restaurants in my area are owned by Middle Easterners and East Asians and hire Latinos to prepare the food.

19 posted on 01/23/2013 1:03:36 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: AtlasStalled; All
The mob’s been known to rear its ugly head in Republican Party circles in New York from time to time.

I'm aware of that, but, as I said, the lion's share of their involvement has been with the Democrats nationaly up until this very day. Think "Clinton Body Count," for example.

Frankly, I couldn't think of why the underworld should bother with the GOP in New York now, with the state party so impotent.

20 posted on 01/23/2013 1:23:35 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Kid Shelleen
"Father Barry: Isn't it simple as one, two, three? One: The working conditions are bad. Two: They're bad because the mob does the hiring. And three: The only way we can break the mob is to stop letting them get away with murder. "
21 posted on 01/23/2013 1:33:32 PM PST by GOPJ ( Do murder laws control murders?... freeper Red Badger)
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To: justiceseeker93
"with the lion’s share of it in the Democratic Party"

That is why I could never understand why Bobby Kennedy prosecuted the mob so vigorously. The mob seemed like the perfect partner in crime for the Kennedys.
22 posted on 01/23/2013 1:33:52 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: justiceseeker93
"with the lion’s share of it in the Democratic Party"

That is why I could never understand why Bobby Kennedy prosecuted the mob so vigorously. The mob seemed like the perfect partner in crime for the Kennedys.
23 posted on 01/23/2013 1:33:52 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Fiji Hill

Not only was the food good but the restaurant is still popular today. Best Pizza ever.


24 posted on 01/23/2013 1:50:23 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The significance of Apalachin was not the roundup itself, but in how it changed the way Americans saw the mob.... the Mafia was not merely a loose collection of rackets. The array of license plates ... at Apalachin showed it was indeed a shadowy national syndicate. “No one had really ripped off the veil and seen that this was not just a couple of isolated hoods, but a vast national organization,” federal mob buster and Mayor Rudy Giuliani would say... “Apalachin gave the first demonstrative, solid evidence that this was a very large criminal conspiracy.”

Yesterday it was the mob that law enforcement ignored and politicians were in bed with. Today it is the Muslim Brotherhood.

25 posted on 01/23/2013 1:54:47 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Gun control is hitting what you aim at. -- Chuck Norris)
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To: Kid Shelleen

“That is why I could never understand why Bobby Kennedy prosecuted the mob so vigorously.”

Maybe he was trying to get J. Edgar off the commies.


26 posted on 01/23/2013 2:06:35 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Maybe it will remind people of the magnitude of organized crime, such as the Chicago gang that stole the government of the United States..


27 posted on 01/29/2013 12:25:52 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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