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Let's put facts over emotions in gun control debate (How they'll come for your guns)
The Dallas Morning News ^ | January 23, 2013 | Lynn Woolley

Posted on 01/23/2013 8:49:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

President Barack Obama could never have done this in his first term. If he’d tried to pass a slate of gun control measures such as the ones announced last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid would have joined forces with Republicans and gun rights organizations to stop him. But with no election in his future, the president is operating with new “flexibility.”

Reid may still try to stop him, but the president has come up with a long list of items that won’t work. We’re dealing with emotion here — and possibly a long-term strategy to — what? If the president’s goal is to eliminate gun violence, he will have to find a way to take away guns, no easy task.

So like everything else progressives do, it has to be done incrementally.

And with incrementalism, there must also come great emotion. So the president surrounded himself at his announcement with children and used their letters as the basis for national policy. What the children suggested in their letters was probably just as useful as what the president proposed: essentially, “make people safer.”

And so the Great_Divider spent a bunch of political capital on such useless ideas as “removing barriers” from this and that and limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.

Emotion tells the president that 10-round magazines will save lives. Logic says it won’t make any difference.

In the unlikely event that many of these initiatives get passed, and the even more unlikely event that any of them work, Obama also set the stage for the next level. The one-time constitutional lecturer explained that there are “rights” in our founding documents that might override the Second Amendment.

For example, the right to worship safely. The right to assemble peacefully. These rights, the president told his TV audience, are threatened...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; democrats; fubo; fufedgov; govtabuse; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/23/2013 8:49:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reid has an NRA B+ rating, but he is first and foremost, a leftist.


2 posted on 01/23/2013 8:53:43 PM PST by umgud
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reid is done.

He loses support of his Obama buddies and loses gun owner support.

He up for re-election in 2014 I think.


3 posted on 01/23/2013 8:54:49 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s aim had better be good or he will lose on gun control AND lose the Senate.


4 posted on 01/23/2013 8:58:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Jet Jaguar

No. He’s not running again.

He needed the NRA to be re-elected. Now that he doesn’t need them, he cannot be relied upon for gun rights.


5 posted on 01/23/2013 9:01:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; FReepers; Patriots; FRiends; everyone


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To: mylife

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8 posted on 01/23/2013 9:10:32 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Oh well.


9 posted on 01/23/2013 9:28:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
20 Years of Incremental Gun Control

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a slow but steady push to limit our right to own guns and reduce the number of guns in private hands for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

If the lefties keep pushing gun control this way in another two decades one out of two Americans may be gun owners instead of one out of three.

MOLON LAVE!

10 posted on 01/23/2013 9:31:35 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
He up for re-election in 2014 I think.

He's in thru 2016, whether he runs again or not.

I can imagine that his replacement will be appointed by His Holiness Barack the First shortly after his coronation on January 1st, 2017.

11 posted on 01/23/2013 10:20:33 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What Guns? My Red Rider...


12 posted on 01/23/2013 10:21:17 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”, the most UNEMOTIONAL Statement in the English Language, no ifs, ands or buts.
13 posted on 01/23/2013 10:29:29 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
If only The Dear Leader were allowed to pursue his glorious agenda (subsuming the individual to the collective) without opposition or resistance, everything would be just perfect. Photobucket
14 posted on 01/23/2013 10:38:31 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One thing folks need to understand is that the government will not have to come directly to your door to ‘take your guns’. They have many ways to eliminate your possessions.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 5:17:44 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: griswold3

One thing folks need to understand is that the government will not have to come directly to your door to ‘take your guns’. They have many ways to eliminate your possessions.””

I have repeated your logic many times on this site. People don’t want to hear it. Compulsory collection points will be established with deadlines set for compliance: 1st failure to comply=$5000 fine, second failure=$10,000 fine and so on. The govt has the power to drain your bank and financial accounts electronically. They IRS has all the account codes. WE must, at some point, go all in cash or suffer the consequences.


16 posted on 01/24/2013 6:35:18 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

There are many instances of government seized private property that even after the charges are dropped or the accused acquitted is never returned.
Being a independent trucker, there are endless accounts of IRS freezing bank accounts without the account holder even knowing it. The bank fees are horrendous. And don’t get me started on fees and interest on IRS fines. Alot of folks I know just pay the fines and go on.
As far as transactions in cash, you’d better not own any real estate. The liens against such property can never be discharged and once again the insurmountable interest and fees.
“There’s no way to rule innocent men.
The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them.
One declares so many things to be a crime
that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Rand.
(BTW, I’m not a ‘cultist’, but my 93yo German mother saw first hand how this has played out before.)


17 posted on 01/24/2013 7:00:37 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: TigersEye

I’m sharing your post:)


18 posted on 01/24/2013 7:34:00 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My fear is with Leon Panetta allowing women in combat, they will be the military personel who come for the weapons. A judeo/christian country has been taught to not behave in a way that hurts women. Hesitation can prove to be deadly and many will not want to shoot a soldier with a young girls face.


19 posted on 01/24/2013 7:47:17 AM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: griswold3

Exactly, if they pass the “new” gun laws, an estimated 50 million citizens will become criminals, while criminal aliens are free to roam the country, not just unhindered, but often rewarded. Of what value is citizenship?


20 posted on 01/24/2013 8:10:26 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Kalam

I don’t worry about the military. A whole lot of them will be REAL hesitant to shoot someone with mom and dad’s face. I’ve had conversations with a few soldiers who would be on the enforcement level.They will turn on those who command them to attack their own people. Not all of them, I’m sure, but by far the biggest majority. The flaming liberals who want gun confiscation so badly don’t encourage their children to join the military. They dislike the military as bad as they do us gun owners.
Simple, if it comes to confiscation, lie, hide, booby trap, ambush and then fight to the death. I’d imagine that Washington’s men worried less than we do, and had a much slimmer chance of prevailing. But prevail they did. I just re-read Colonel Travis’s letter from the Alamo,(I’m a Texan) We ought to not let men like that down now, they gave it all.And who would want to live here if the communists succeeded in confiscating all our weapons? At that point we will have lost ALL of our rights.


21 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:47 AM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Quickgun
I don’t worry about the military.

In three years, there will be a large turnover in the military. It will be filled with the ranks of gays and Obama voters.

22 posted on 01/24/2013 8:50:25 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: Quickgun; aimhigh

“At that point we will have lost ALL our rights.”

I am in agreement with this not being anywhere I would want to live. If/when gun confiscation occurs I do think a form of mandatory ‘buy back’ program will occur first. Then huge penalties and finally will come confiscation. I’m not sure about the new enlistment roles, Aim High, but I am sure the younger generation is not prepared to disobey orders the way we would.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 9:07:00 AM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: Kalam

This is not a function that the military can (legally) do... posse comatatus — however it’s spelled — prevents the military from law enforcement ops on US soil.... as I understand it.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 10:13:26 AM PST by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: Snow Eagle

I am aware of this law. I am also of the opinion that if the 2nd amendment can be overthrown/ignored, then there is no lesser law safe against these evil people and/or useful idiots.


25 posted on 01/24/2013 10:47:08 AM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: aimhigh
In three years, there will be a large turnover in the military. It will be filled with the ranks of gays and Obama voters.

You are potentially quite right -- in just a few years, Oliver Cromwell built an army from the ground up called the New Model Army, and that army not only fought King Charles I, but defeated him -- and then executed him.

Cromwell's men were religiously motivated. Obama's "New America" army would be just as motivated -- by hatred of Whitey, of straights, of "bitter clingers" who don't want to pay "their fair share". Never doubt the power of ruthless men to flog their orcs forward.

26 posted on 01/24/2013 11:03:15 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Snow Eagle
This is not a function that the military can (legally) do... posse comatatus — however it’s spelled — prevents the military from law enforcement ops on US soil.... as I understand it.

Tell that to Abraham Lincoln, who used precisely that power to come for the rights of the South. He used that very power to take a seat by force at Jefferson Davis's desk and put Atlanta and Charleston to the torch. And very self-righteously, too.

27 posted on 01/24/2013 11:07:39 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: katiedidit1

Thank you.


28 posted on 01/24/2013 12:33:52 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
Good post....

I have a good friend...that is Greek and a hunter. Loves guns....and he tells me...your spelling of MOLON LAVE is correct.....not MOLON LABE...as I have used and seen many times.

FWIW-

29 posted on 01/24/2013 12:39:32 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Osage Orange
Good post....

Thanks. I think it's good to look at the scoreboard once in a while and remember that we've put points on it. A lot of points.

MOLON LAVE!

I wasn't entirely sure of the spelling. I thought it might be a case of either spelling being acceptable. I saw that version in more graphics and I had a hunch that might be the true Greek spelling.

30 posted on 01/24/2013 12:59:41 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

“-—one out of two—”? Well that would be a step backward for my neighborhood but what the heck.. We’ll wait for the rest of the country to catch up and in the meantime we’ll pump up the average.


31 posted on 01/24/2013 1:09:43 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: TigersEye
I asked him again....

Here's what he wrote me.

He write is LATIN ( molon lave) Is GREEK

Makes sense....both are correct. My friend is a hoot...lives on Corfu. Big outdoorsman...Loves to shoot.

FRegards,

32 posted on 01/24/2013 1:18:37 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Osage Orange

When he’s having a normal conversation with someone does it look and sound like he’s mad and fists might fly any moment? lol


33 posted on 01/24/2013 1:21:22 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
He's intense at times.....

Ha!!

34 posted on 01/24/2013 1:25:06 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Osage Orange
I live in a little tourist town that gets visitors from around the world. Many years ago a gf of mine was bar tending at a motel/restaurant bar and I went in one afternoon to pass some time with her. Very slow business there. In fact only two other people were there, two guys at a table having a 'conversation.' Voices were raised and the body language was ... animated.

I suggested to the gf that I had better stick around and make sure she would be alright. She broke out laughing "naw, those guys are friends. They come in here every day. That's how they talk, they're Greek." International education to me. If you heard two Americans having a 'conversation' like that I guarantee you'd have 911 on speed dial and your eye out for cover. lol

35 posted on 01/24/2013 1:47:10 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
He up for re-election in 2014 I think.

Harry Reid is OLD, O-L-D. I don't think he's going to try for the Senator Sheets Byrd Rat award.

36 posted on 01/24/2013 7:29:38 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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