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Fasten Your Seatbelts: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions
Forbes ^ | 1/22/2013 | Chunke Mui

Posted on 01/24/2013 12:36:57 AM PST by Vince Ferrer

Much of the reporting about Google’s driverless car has mistakenly focused on its science-fiction feel. In fact, the driverless car has broad implications for society, for the economy and for individual businesses. Just in the U.S., the car puts up for grab some $2 trillion a year in revenue and even more market cap. It creates business opportunities that dwarf Google’s current search-based business and unleashes existential challenges to market leaders across numerous industries, including car makers, auto insurers, energy companies and others that share in car-related revenue.

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Also, here is Robotic cars and Employment

The employment picture is far more than just getting rid of driver jobs. There are many secondary jobs which will drastically change, or even be eliminated. For example, do we need all the small town hotels and rest stops when we can sleep in our car as it drives across the country?

1 posted on 01/24/2013 12:37:03 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

I don see this ever happening...the possibility of lawsuits from software or hardware crashes resulting in car crashes, property damage and deaths will never let this industry get off the ground


2 posted on 01/24/2013 12:46:00 AM PST by neverbluffer
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To: Vince Ferrer
Chunke Mui? Is that Pawn Stars' cast member ChumLee's brother or a new flavor from the hippies at Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream?
3 posted on 01/24/2013 12:50:47 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I don’t think you will get that much sleep as the car veers trying to avoid hitting deer running across the road, or tore up tractor trailer tires bouncing and flying towards the car, or just thinking about the possibility.


4 posted on 01/24/2013 12:54:50 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

Considering that the car would have sensors, it could probably do a better job of avoiding the deer than you. I’d be more concerned about adverse road condittions, than anything else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AExusyOAD5s


5 posted on 01/24/2013 12:59:41 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: All

What’s the point for a car to ride alone? Unless you can teach it to shop for you? I know I know I must be getting old but I sure don’t see why a car would just go around alone..hilarious.Can someone enlighten me please?


6 posted on 01/24/2013 1:12:52 AM PST by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: neverbluffer
I don see this ever happening...the possibility of lawsuits from software or hardware crashes resulting in car crashes, property damage and deaths will never let this industry get off the ground

It'll happen. And sooner than you think.

The folks at google have undoubtedly thought of all of the potential gotchas, legal and otherwise. Production cars will probably contain redundant systems that will push reliability off the charts.

7 posted on 01/24/2013 1:16:58 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: American Dream 246

You can still be in the car, you just won’t be driving it.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 1:17:37 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer; American Dream 246

Or more accurately, you won’t have to drive it if you don’t want to. Atleast in the beginning.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 1:18:59 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

And commercial vehicles, like trucks, don’t need drivers at all to haul cargo. Or busdrivers, or taxis.


10 posted on 01/24/2013 1:21:01 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

And then there will places you can’t go. Where you go will be recorded. Limits on the distance you can travel in a day

California will pass a law that nobody can leave the state unless they’ve paid their taxes a year in advance


11 posted on 01/24/2013 1:24:41 AM PST by Fai Mao
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To: Jeff Winston

I think it would need it’s own roads.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 1:35:58 AM PST by MNDude
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To: American Dream 246

This is Google. If you tell the car to, say, go to the library, it will automatically stop at places that paid their fees and at places it thinks you want. It will drive you by the right billboards, and log all the places you go, in case its “needed” someday.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 1:59:11 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: neverbluffer
Several states have already authorized their use on public roadways.

Legislatures can tackle the software defect problem ~ but remember how far the Democrats got with trying to scare us about 'a million lines of code'? Sorry ~ we are too sophisticated to worry that much about code ~ these systems will all have substantial redundancy.

Just give me a reliable targeting algorithm, some radar and infrared, an updated travel~pak and I'll be out there driving blind in no time.

The only problem I can see is the transition period where we have a mix of automated vehicles and those with nothing but a human being behind the wheel.

14 posted on 01/24/2013 2:17:23 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: American Dream 246
uh, to pick up the kids at school; to stop by Target to pick up that rocklatordouousboufous you bought over the net; to pick you up at the neighborhood bistro; etc.

Your car becomes your robotic servant!

I am old enough to remember how xerox machines were supposed to relieve office support staff of the tedium of cutting stencils ~ and, besides they were much faster, and made far more efficient use of paper. Then somebody hooked the xerox machines up to the telephones and we were swamped by messages ~ and that was relieved only through the development of e-mail, and you all know where that went.

This technology will make travel more efficient, but it will also eliminate public transit, trains, and airplanes within 200 miles. Driving age restrictions will disappear and kids will swarm all over the highways. Blind people ~ among the first to be attracted to this new technology, will be showing up where they've simply not been common in the past ~ in your grocery store just to buy a loaf of bread!

Dr. Who, Star Wars, and a whole genre of Japanese sci-fi cartoons have played off that angle and shown us what a globe girdling traffic jam of automated flying cars would be like!

15 posted on 01/24/2013 2:27:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Jonty30

your car could be in communication with vehicles ahead gaining information about local road conditions ~ spot ice, water puddles, dead pedestrians in the roadway rather than in the median where they belong ~ in very short order the fully equipped stand alone models will become networked!


16 posted on 01/24/2013 2:30:49 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vince Ferrer
Friend of mine bought a dump truck years ago. Turns out they are a good investment ~ but they have some downtime in winter. He bought a snow blade for his dumptruck right at the beginning of one of those periods where we have several years without significant snowfall.

He didn't exactly lose his shirt on the truck ~ it made lots of money ~ but the snow blade just sat there in the garage year after year ~ then one day he made it all back!

The advent of the automated car will mean the conversion of most automobiles from expense items into potential investment opportunities just like dumptrucks ~ for one car up to large fleets of automobiles.

There's no sense having your car sit in the drive when it could be out on the road being rented out to travelers who don't have a place to park! There's no sense in buying such a vehicle if all you have to do is rent one for immediate use.

17 posted on 01/24/2013 2:37:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vince Ferrer

Google claims it can reduce the number of cars by 90%, since “a car sits unused some 95% of the time.”

While true, this is to a very considerable extent irrelevant. By the same token, office space could be reduced by 75% simply by optimizing its usage over a week.

But nobody wants to work the off-shifts necessary to make this work.

Similarly, not very many people want to do their shopping at 3 am.


18 posted on 01/24/2013 2:38:34 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Vince Ferrer
Interesting thread, but for me, driving is one of the last (almost) remaining personal expressions of unlimited freedom.

Sorry. I don't want to be driven by a computer. I have enough computers in my cars already. Keep your i-cars, and no, I'm not renting out mine.

I'm an American, I love cars, and I like to drive.
19 posted on 01/24/2013 2:50:44 AM PST by golux
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To: Vince Ferrer

Paranoia= ON

Driverless robotic car? Hmmm... Great idea until the Local/state Police or DHS decide that they want to talk to you.

Dispatcher/monitor: Mr. X has gotten into a vehicle at 23rd and Elm.

Shift Supervisor: Do you have the Number for that vehicle?

Dispatcher/monitor: Yes Sir we do.

Shift Supervisor: Excellent! Procedure 7 then, bring him in.

Paranoia=Off

It seems to me that sometimes these great ideas and inventions have very bad “Unintended Consequences” pre-loaded into them.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 2:57:33 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Vince Ferrer

No damn way I want a driverless car!!!


21 posted on 01/24/2013 3:25:40 AM PST by dalereed
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To: ReaganGeneration2

“This is Google.”

Google is crap!!!

I’ve never bought anthing in my life because of advertising.

I’ve never bought anything in a store that i didn’t go there to specificly buy.

If it isn’t on my list all the bullshit in the world wouldn’t make me look at it or consider buying it.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 3:32:16 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Vince Ferrer

Is this the cure for women drivers?


23 posted on 01/24/2013 3:34:30 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
"These driverless cars are a miracle!"

"Yes, we can finally feel safe having a computer take us to our destination"

"Wait - What's that on the console?...."


24 posted on 01/24/2013 3:45:01 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Is this the cure for women drivers?
Yeah. Men drivers, too . . .
Also the cure for sleepy drivers, drunk drivers . . .

25 posted on 01/24/2013 3:45:45 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: dalereed
No damn way I want a driverless car!!!

Couldn't say it better.

This is dangerous on so many levels, not the least of which is the erosion of personal freedom. Even some "conservative" FReepers seem to be missing that point.

Our masters want nothing more than a way to track and control the movements of the proletariat. They're constantly agitating for GPS trackers in cars to implement a "tax-by-the-mile" system. The Googlemobile gives them that, and a whole lot more. They are what a tyrant dreams about.

26 posted on 01/24/2013 3:52:07 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Jeff Winston
The folks at google have undoubtedly thought of all of the potential gotchas, legal and otherwise.

You raise a good point, and I believe you are correct. The one issue I see here is typical humanity - people let their cars go without maintenance until they are too dangerous too drive. I doubt the automated systems will detect loose or broken sway bar links, worn tires, loose ball joints, worn tie rod ends, and so forth. Or maybe they will and prevent the car from being used, but if so, people will be furious that they actually have to fix their cars instead of driving their dangerous sh!t boxes on same roads as me.

27 posted on 01/24/2013 4:12:16 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: American Dream 246

When you get to the point where the state will not issue you a driver’s license, you will still be able to get around on your own, or if you have a little too much to drink, you can have the car drive you home. There will always be an on/off switch for the auto-pilot, so you can do it yourself but the possibility of maintaining your freedom to go places when you can’t drive yourself is priceless.


28 posted on 01/24/2013 4:29:48 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
   You could pack a car full of packages and send it to its destination without a driver.

  In an emergency, your cat could drive himself to the vet.
29 posted on 01/24/2013 4:52:03 AM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: Sherman Logan

We could also reduce the number of bathrooms by 900%. After all, they are only in use for a few minutes a day...


30 posted on 01/24/2013 5:01:05 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: piasa

I’ve worked with robotics and know the cars would be just fine if you can eliminate all the variables that would interfere with them. Unfortunately you can’t eliminate the variables without putting dedicated roads inside sealed concrete tubes.


31 posted on 01/24/2013 5:07:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Well, it could eliminate DWA’s.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 5:08:12 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Fresh Wind

I think we need to get rid of most of the safety equipment on cars and learn to drive again.


33 posted on 01/24/2013 5:11:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
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34 posted on 01/24/2013 5:13:11 AM PST by OSHA (One despises and wants to destroy the United States, the other is a dead terrorist.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Wouldn’t mind a self-driving car on the Interstate, assuming it can dodge crap like tires, deal with accidents and traffic jams, etc.

Once I get off, though, I want control.


35 posted on 01/24/2013 5:31:14 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Maurice Tift

You could also pack a car full of explosives and send it on its way. It would be an undetectable 70mph cruise missile.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 5:49:35 AM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: American Dream 246

Must my 16 year old car ask my permission to go for a simple joyride in the country? Or will it sneak off with its friends by itself? I’d sure like to know who his friends are. I doubt I have to worry about my ancient Explorer meeting up with younger Prius’ at Lover’s Lane.


37 posted on 01/24/2013 5:50:44 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sherman Logan
...nobody wants to work the off-shifts necessary to make this work...not very many people want to do their shopping at 3 am.

When Big Bro dictates you SHALL purchase a driverless car, it's a small step to telling you WHAT CAREER you shall have and WHEN you will report to work.

I worked in Red China almost 30 years ago and my interpreter was a violin genius, capable of playing in any philharmonic in the world. The STATE in its wisdom said there were no such jobs required in China and he would therefore be an interpreter for life.

38 posted on 01/24/2013 6:02:21 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Vince Ferrer

Or will it just cost trillions?


39 posted on 01/24/2013 6:06:41 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Vince Ferrer
Within 30-50 years, fully manual driving will be made illegal.

40 posted on 01/24/2013 6:08:41 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Sherman Logan
Google claims it can reduce the number of cars by 90%, since “a car sits unused some 95% of the time.”

This is utterly brainless 'logic'. If they are reducing the number of cars... but only the ones NOT driving then it will do nothing to reduce the amount of miles driven and the number of cars ON THE ROAD. And since each car will be driven more miles in its life they will wear out faster... so the numbers of cars being built will not go down as much as they claim.
41 posted on 01/24/2013 6:11:21 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Vince Ferrer

Suddenly one day your driverless car will lock the doors and deliver you to a re-education center to eliminate any right wing aggressions.


42 posted on 01/24/2013 6:27:23 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Vince Ferrer

We already have such a device. It’s called a train. The train isn’t profitable due to gov’t intervention.


43 posted on 01/24/2013 9:06:59 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Steel Wolf
You could also pack a car full of explosives and send it on its way. It would be an undetectable 70mph cruise missile.

Or a truck. probably we'll find that vehicles left unattended will be subject to more stringent security. People will want to exercise control over the street in front of their house or business to prevent anonymous autonomous delivery. Vehicles driving about without supervision and/or improper credentials might be subject to arrest.

Considering how much trouble people have with malware on phones and PCs, there's probably some depth backlash possible if the gov't tries to backdoor everything.

44 posted on 01/24/2013 10:41:06 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Hardastarboard
You raise a good point, and I believe you are correct. The one issue I see here is typical humanity - people let their cars go without maintenance until they are too dangerous too drive. I doubt the automated systems will detect loose or broken sway bar links, worn tires, loose ball joints, worn tie rod ends, and so forth. Or maybe they will and prevent the car from being used, but if so, people will be furious that they actually have to fix their cars instead of driving their dangerous sh!t boxes on same roads as me.

If they don't already have automated systems to monitor key mechanics, they will.

You have to remember that adoption of this technology won't be instant. Right now they have around a dozen test vehicles that have driven around 300,000 miles. They will take the feedback from those miles and consider that in fielding maybe 20 or 30 initial "real" vehicles, then gradually expand things.

A lot of maintenance issues on these cars won't be that much different from those of regular vehicles. Bad problems usually make a noise.

45 posted on 01/24/2013 1:25:55 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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