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Wrong on Women Warriors (The new policy to place women in combat units is a mistake)
National Review ^ | 01/24/2013 | Heather MacDonald

Posted on 01/24/2013 6:33:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind

We have apparently arrived at the Golden Age, free from strife and the threat of foreign enemies. Little else can explain so gratuitous a decision as to place women in combat units. The downsides to such a policy are legion and obvious; the only reason to pursue it is to placate feminism’s insatiable and narcissistic drive for absolute official equality between the sexes.

Any claim that our fighting forces are not reaching their maximum potential because females are not included is absurd. The number of women who are the equal to reasonably well-developed men in upper-body strength and who have the same stamina and endurance is vanishingly small. Because the number of women who will meet the military’s already debased physical-fitness standard will not satisfy the feminists’ demand for representation, the fitness standard will inevitably be lowered across the board or for women alone, as we have seen in civilian uniformed forces.

Feminists routinely deny Eros — except when it suits them to exploit their sexual power. Only someone deliberately blind to human reality could maintain that putting men and women in close quarters 24 hours a day will not produce a proliferation of sex, thus introducing all the irrational passions (and resulting favoritism) of physical attraction into an organization that should be exclusively devoted to the mission of combat preparedness. Reported “sexual assaults” will skyrocket, and of course it will only be the men who are at fault. Any consensual behavior leading up to the “assault” — getting in bed with your fellow grunt drunk and taking off your clothes, for example — will be ignored, since in the realm of sexual responsibility, women remain perpetual victims, at the mercy of all-powerful men. Expect a windfall to the gender-sensitivity-training industry, which will be called in both before and after the entry of women into combat units to eradicate endemic male sexism.

Even if Leon Panetta intends to keep female fighting units sex-segregated, that distinction won’t last. Feminists will complain that female-only units stigmatize women.

Chivalry is one of the great civilizing forces, taming men and introducing social graces and nuance to what would otherwise be a brutish social world. It is already on life support, but sex-integrated combat units will provide the coup de grâce. If a woman is taken prisoner, will special efforts be made to rescue her to save her from the risk of rape? If so, the necessary equality among unit members will be destroyed. If, however, policy requires that she take her chances along with the male captives, we are requiring men to squelch any last remaining vestige of their impulse towards protection and appreciation of female difference.

I am not aware of any comparable crusade to create gender-integrated football teams. At least America knows what’s really important.

— Heather Mac Donald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: combat; military; women; womenincombat
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To: USAF80
"Argument=Not much use for pull ups in a combat situation. Next...."

A pull up is there best single indicator of upper body strength there is. No necessity to climb over things? lift things? nonsense.

21 posted on 01/24/2013 7:26:10 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s all a game to the libs. “Let your sister play too!”

Give ‘em time, folks, and they’ll institute a special Camp Follower Corps for these flukes. Strictly voluntary, of course. Well, at first.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 7:29:45 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: JoeProBono

They do make good spies, though :)


23 posted on 01/24/2013 7:32:39 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What will happen (think infantry):

Standards will be lowered.
Training will be made less strenuous.
Deployments will be more difficult as now separate quarters and latrines will be needed. Less will be accomplished.
The men will have to pull more of the weight for the women who can’t.
Etc.

And it will ALL work. Maybe for years.

Until we get into a real ground war (think Korea or WII) and the technology will break (where the f*ck our the drones?) and then these units will break.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 7:34:14 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: JoeProBono
Pictures of pretty young girls holding fully automatic rifles not withstanding, women do not serve in Israeli front line infantry units. Women in Israel have a military training commitment, albeit shorter and different than that of men, but do not serve in active infantry positions.

In the US, maybe the 101st Airborne Division will never again have to relieve Bastogne, maybe the 1st Marine Division will never again have to march out of the Chosin Reservoir...but maybe they will and it would be comforting to know that they could.

25 posted on 01/24/2013 7:45:55 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: SeekAndFind
CAVEAT: Don't LOWER the standards simply to accommodate women.

That is already the case. Just look at the Army PT standard card (pdf format) DA Form 705 and look at the difference between men and women. See pages 3 - 6 for the scoring charts.

Example:

Age group 42 - 46 doing 29 pushups, male fails with a score of 59. Female passes with a score of 89.

26 posted on 01/24/2013 7:46:37 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What cornfuses me is why have MEN, for years, concocted schemes to get out of the draft, combat, and war in general.
Even Klinger, in a dress, was trying to ‘hide’ behind his feminine side (if MEN had a feminine side during Korea) the countless number of men who, when grabbed by the Doctor and told to cough, attempted to grab the Dr in the like manner - so as to get a discharge (the other kind of discharge).

What ‘snake oil salesman’ sold women on the fact that it is a GOOD thing to have people on the other side of the ‘line’ whose only purpose in life is to end yours?
Very few ‘men’ actually want to be in that situation - face up to it when it happens but not really all that ‘happy’ about it.

To hear the reporters and those females interviewed for news programs, one would think the females had WON something other than the right to assume room temperature at an earlier age.

Of course, the best way to get virile young men to avoid the enlistment offices is to fill the ranks with ‘do funnys’ and ‘women’ etc...

Which may be the end goal anyway - It also appears that the Military Leadership will be nothing but ‘Perfumed Princes’ while the combatants will either be cashiered out or quit in disgrace of what ‘OUR’ Military has become.


27 posted on 01/24/2013 7:47:49 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: SeekAndFind

Whether it is right or wrong is a topic for discussion.
That being said, Panetta does not have the legal authority to issue this order.
According to Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, only Congress has the authority...
“To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;”


28 posted on 01/24/2013 7:56:04 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: circlecity
A pull up is there best single indicator of upper body strength there is. No necessity to climb over things? lift things? nonsense.

Argument=that is the old military. We don't use swords & bayonets anymore (Prez words), Stuff is lighter(?)They are working on Super Soldier. A puny 95lb woman could handle a 155 howitzer shell with ease.

No need to throw grenades, archaic. We have lightweight 20mm, computer controlled, don't miss, programmable, rifle fired grenades.

Next....

29 posted on 01/24/2013 7:56:41 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

You need to indicate when you are using sarcasm. Some people may actually believe that stuff.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 8:02:15 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Mr. Lucky

The Caracal: Inside Israel’s Coed Battalion Unit

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2010/December/A-Rare-Glimpse-inside-Israels-Caracal-Battalion/


31 posted on 01/24/2013 8:08:26 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lets look at the bright side.

Imagine that two young Marines of different genders have ‘bonded’ or ‘buddied up’ in a special way. Now put them in a foxhole and have the enemy scream insults at them and threaten the female with all sorts of sexual abuse and torture.

I think the male Marine will fight like a tiger to protect his “buddy”.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 8:19:07 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I just look at history. Everytime women are used in combat it doesn’t work—Soviets tried it, Israelis, Etc... It hasn’t worked in the past. Liberals think that today, people are different—some how better than those of the past and can make this work. Sorry, Feminists, we are not different and it will further reduce our ability to wage war. The women who will go into combat will be tossed away—Imagine a time when we LOSE a battle? Image women at Bataan? Not a good picture. And when LIBERALS re-impose the Draft—it will be men and women who will be pushed into uniform this time. But at least they will have free birth control!


33 posted on 01/24/2013 8:19:49 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: SeekAndFind
This change in policy won’t dramatically effect the military immediately. My guess is any expanded role for women in combat will be AT THE MARGINS and not directly impact our fighting capabilities.

Exactly! Free up more men to die. I have no problem with women in combat rolls as long as the unit in the field is all women: Don't want any 200# man relying on a women to drag him out if he needs help.

34 posted on 01/24/2013 8:27:13 AM PST by captnorb
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To: SeekAndFind
If a woman MEETS or EXCEEDS the required physical and mental standards needed to do the job for combat, why not let them?

Because a country that sends women to do its fighting has become so perverse and unnatural that it's no longer worth fighting for.

Thanks for asking.

35 posted on 01/24/2013 8:27:14 AM PST by Romulus
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To: circlecity

I’m just repeating the arguments. No need for the sarc tag. Some of the things are in development like Super Soldier (that’s not the real name but the concept is correct) It’s an exo-skeleton. This eliminates the “women are weak argument”. With a lower body exo you can march for days. With an upper body exo you can lift a lot.

There are robotic pack mules(no chit). This eliminates the “women can’t carry their packs argument”. These mules will follow their owner like a puppy. Another argument is that we have trucks to carry stuff.

The 20mm grenades are a reality except not fielded in quantities yet.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 8:30:15 AM PST by USAF80
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s another word: QUOTA

They’ll be setting quotas for women in combat. All combat units must have X number of women.


37 posted on 01/24/2013 8:31:05 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

The problem is nobody knows history anymore so the left can re-write it at their pleasure. They don’t teach it anymore they teach sociology and call it history.

Before my kids left public school for private I marveled on how shallow history topics were. It is amazing how they basically ignore the letters and writing of our founding fathers and dumb down the birth of our nation to a bunch of old white slave owners that got tired of paying taxes to a government. The civil was was only about slavery, period. No discussion of states rights and the conflict of a slowing economy in the north to the growing economy of the south nor the politics behind Lincoln namely the northern governors.


38 posted on 01/24/2013 8:31:27 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: circlecity

Officially named the Legged Squad Support System (LS3), the walking “pack mule” prototype was designed to show that “a legged robot can unburden dismounted squad members by carrying their gear, autonomously following them through rugged terrain, and interpreting verbal and visual commands,” according to the DARPA website.


39 posted on 01/24/2013 8:32:12 AM PST by USAF80
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To: SeekAndFind

If women are now to be in combat then all women who turn 18 better be registering for the draft. I expect someone will soon be filing a lawsuit to make women register just like men. I don’t think draft registration for young women will be very popular, but there are often unintended consequences for poorly thought out decisions like sending women into combat.


40 posted on 01/24/2013 8:42:24 AM PST by The Great RJ
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