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Former DOD Inspector Gen: Panetta’s Directive May be Unconstitutional
http://www.newsmax.com ^ | January 23, 2013 | Paul Scicchitano

Posted on 01/24/2013 6:55:40 AM PST by NKP_Vet

Reacting to reports that outgoing Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta is lifting the Pentagon’s long-standing ban on women serving in combat, former DOD Inspector General Joseph E. Schmitz tells Newsmax that he believes the decision will lead to a “degradation of good order and discipline” and may even be unconstitutional.

Senior defense officials say Pentagon chief Leon Panetta is removing the military's ban on women serving in combat, opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs after more than a decade at war.

“Introducing mixed gender combat units in my experience and judgment will inevitably lead to a degradation of good order and discipline,” asserted Schmitz, a recognized constitutional expert who held the position of DOD’s top investigator from April 2002 to September 2005 after 27 years of Naval Service, including four years at the Naval Academy, five years of active duty in the fleet, and 18 years in the Naval Reserve.

Schmitz tells Newsmax that it is questionable under Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution whether Panetta has the authority to make such a change to America’s “land and naval forces,” since this authority is specifically granted to Congress.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: womenincombat
I am been saying all along that Congress makes this call. But since Obama ignores Congress and does whatever in the hell he feels like doing, I don't guess it make any difference at all. I also read where Panetta said the Joint Chiefs of Staff had recommended this change to him. Yea, either say you agree with it or retire early. Last night on Faux News, this story didn't even warrant coverage. All bow down to the great and powerful King Obama, dear leader, savior of the world. The republicans cowering down like a dog in heat.
1 posted on 01/24/2013 6:55:43 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
Front line / combat infantry women:

what is the anticipated rate of turnover due to pregnancies?

Will their assignment be "guaranteed" to them following maternity leave?

What quota will be established for women in combat squads?

2 posted on 01/24/2013 7:00:16 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Last night on Faux News...


People used to laugh at me when I said Fox news was liberal.

To anyone like me that has not had TV since 1997, on the rare occasions I AM exposed to it it is quite obvious.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 7:03:56 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: corkoman

Another thing that was probably not thought about when King Obama ordered Penetta to do it is keeping women on active duty and enlistment of women. 99% of women will want no part of being in a combat unit so they are not going to join the military. Most that join will be certified bull-dykes. Big, greasy lesbians getting in the way of men trying to do their job. Can you imagine taking orders from a dyke that thinks she can kick your ass? How’s that going to go over?


4 posted on 01/24/2013 7:07:46 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
With each passing day I feel less at home here.

I just hope the Lord above spares my family & I from whats surely coming.

5 posted on 01/24/2013 7:10:08 AM PST by skeeter
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To: corkoman

Elections have consequences. The American people have elected a bizarre vile President who is implementing a wrongheaded liberal agenda. The economy has been weakened, the culture coarsened and the military disrupted. The grave harm being done to America goes unrecognized by a majority of its uneducated decadent citizens. Dopey people will never understand what or why has happened. The liberal leaders in politics and the media have committed grievous crimes against the people. Only history will hold them accountable.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 7:12:28 AM PST by allendale
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To: NKP_Vet

Once again the panty waisted kongress shirks its sworn duty to uphold the Constitution. They are too busy running around hitting on donors for contributions to their next election campaign. Term limits or tarred and feathered rail rides are in their future. I’m leaning toward the rail rides. (jus’ sayin’)


7 posted on 01/24/2013 7:13:15 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: NKP_Vet

Constitution? We don't need no stinking Constitution!

8 posted on 01/24/2013 7:13:56 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: NKP_Vet

“Unconstitutional” is an outdated, obsolete notion.

It has been replaced with something called “Roberts”.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 7:19:41 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NKP_Vet

Listen Leon, since you have decided to retire, I have one thing left I need
for you to do, cuz if it goes bad I can't take the blame for it. I need for you
to announce that women will now be allowed inside frontline combat units.
This may be our only chance to cripple the military once and for all.
Are you up for it?

Sure boss.

10 posted on 01/24/2013 7:19:41 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Exactly.... since when has this group been interested in the constitution?


11 posted on 01/24/2013 7:23:33 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: cuban leaf

I tell my wife that all the time as she watches the Fox and Friends drivel. I like to point out to her the duplicity of people like Sean Vanity and O’Really saying they are conservative but in the next breath introduce their “real good friend” some RINO (like Coulter) or left wing hack.

She says I read too much FR, Red States, and the like and it makes me angry and says they are too full of conspiracy stuff to be taken seriously. I just chuckle as she watches an interview with Bob Beckel on his take on conservatism. Bless her she is trying.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 7:33:51 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: NKP_Vet

There are plenty in Congress who will NEVER agree with this.

In fact according to Mark Levin it will eventually become impossible to keep from making women subject to the draft just the same as men are, because the reasons for not subjecting them the same as men is just one lawsuit away, by a man complaining of unequal treatment under the law if he is subject to draft and she isn’t, when she is doing the same jobs in the military he is.

Yes, they say we have a volunteer force, but its only up to a point. Men are forced to register and are subject to draft in case of military need. Levin says only a matter of time until women are, too.

I agree that it is unconstitutional for this not to come from the Congress.

When I said plenty in Congress oppose it, I don’t know what can or will be done about it because that hasn’t had time to play out yet, but I do know they understand this is a horrible, disastrous policy. Please understand this was dropped on them like a bomb at this time purposely. While they are consumed with budget and financial matters and the Congress is brand new, this was deliberately thrown at them now so they would be back on their heels and not in forward position about it.

That’s the way these Communists are taking over America...


13 posted on 01/24/2013 7:36:01 AM PST by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: NKP_Vet

Why, I believe the man is correct.
Only Congress has the authority...
“To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;”


14 posted on 01/24/2013 7:36:26 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: NKP_Vet

From what I understand, Panetta will give women the option of being in combat forces, i.e., they will have to volunteer. This sounds like a double standard. Do men have the same option?


15 posted on 01/24/2013 7:46:02 AM PST by kabar
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To: Resolute Conservative

Fortunately, my wife and I are on the same page. I compare our situation to one of those comedy scenes where a bunch of soldiers are standing in a row and the commander asks for volunteers to take one step forward, and everyone except our poor hero takes a step back, leaving the impression he took a step forward.

People like you and me were standing in the middle in the 1960’s. But as the rest of the troops continued to be sucked into the MSM vortex over the years, they didn’t even notice their own shuffle to the left. Now, many of the “conservatives” look to their right and see us far off in the distance as “far right” while the liberals need a telescope to see us.

In reality it is not us that have moved. It is them.


16 posted on 01/24/2013 7:46:23 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: NKP_Vet

“Introducing mixed gender combat units in my experience and judgment will inevitably lead to a degradation of good order and discipline,” asserted Schmitz

And isn’t that like, kinda the point???


17 posted on 01/24/2013 7:48:20 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: txrangerette

“When I said plenty in Congress oppose it, I don’t know what can or will be done about it because that hasn’t had time to play out yet, but I do know they understand this is a horrible, disastrous policy. Please understand this was dropped on them like a bomb at this time purposely. While they are consumed with budget and financial matters and the Congress is brand new, this was deliberately thrown at them now so they would be back on their heels and not in forward position about it.”

Bumping your post.


18 posted on 01/24/2013 7:50:16 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: NKP_Vet
"former DOD Inspector General Joseph E. Schmitz tells Newsmax that he believes the decision will lead to a 'degradation of good order and discipline' "

Where was this guy when DoD transistioned from "don't ask, don't tell" to open support of Gay Pride Day?
19 posted on 01/24/2013 7:53:55 AM PST by indthkr
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To: NKP_Vet

Very simple way to stop this crazy idea in its tracks.

“Sure, open up “Combat Arms Billets” to women so they won’t be discriminated against or hampered in career development....

.... 12 months after we re-institute the “Reparations Draft”! “

(Reparations Draft = Draft ONLY women for the Armed Services until the total number of women who have services since Women’s Suffrage passed equals the total number of men who have served since then. Equal Rights necessitates Equal Responsibilities)

That will kill this idiotic idea in a heartbeat.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 7:55:29 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: NKP_Vet

This is stupid. It is nothing more than destroying the military as a fighting force under the guise of “equality.”


21 posted on 01/24/2013 7:57:51 AM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism is contrary to human nature.)
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To: cuban leaf

Well said.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 7:58:02 AM PST by Girlene
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To: NKP_Vet

Leon Panetta : “LOOK OVER HERE at what we’re doing”.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 8:06:26 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: kabar
From what I understand, Panetta will give women the option of being in combat forces, i.e., they will have to volunteer. This sounds like a double standard. Do men have the same option?

I can see a discrimination lawsuit on behalf of men in the military.

24 posted on 01/24/2013 8:07:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: BwanaNdege
(Reparations Draft = Draft ONLY women for the Armed Services until the total number of women who have services since Women’s Suffrage passed equals the total number of men who have served since then. Equal Rights necessitates Equal Responsibilities)

Better: declare that women will be affirmatively-assigned to combat/hazardous jobs until female casualty rates match male casualty rates. It's only fair.

25 posted on 01/24/2013 8:11:12 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: NKP_Vet
You are correct. Congress sets and establishes the rules and regulations of the military. I know some R's and D's voice and urge a king, or sometimes a unitarian Executive, but that is nonsense Constitutionally.
26 posted on 01/24/2013 8:11:43 AM PST by Theoria
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To: NKP_Vet
It's a political trap, lol. Repubs shoot this down, the dems will point their crooked fingers and exclaim "Anti-female, misogynists pigs."

Smart move would to exceed female requirements and match them with the males in order to serve the front lines. Next, require that every female between the ages of 18-35 to register for selective service or face a penalty of $250,000.

Smile and point out that we Republicans are against females on the front line, but since the Democrat Party and the current administration are heel bent at sending mothers and daughters to die on the front lines, we want those females to be prepared physically as well as emotionally and in the name of equality, want every female of draft age to join their male counterparts at the opportunity of conscription.
27 posted on 01/24/2013 8:12:48 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: txrangerette

#13—great post. I’m not surprised by this. Hollywood has been portraying 100 pound starlets beating the crap out of men twice their size for some time. My husband commented that its dangerous, some young girls may actually believe they can do it.

It also reminds me of the push to match funding for womens sports on the university level with that of mens sports, which bring in huge sums of money for the university. The experience of people I know has been that it brought in an over-representation of lesbian women to college sport. So maybe this is part of that same thinking. I agree with Mark Levin that women would legally need to become part of the draft, at least have to register like men do. I don’t think suburban moms who support “feminism” would like to see their daughters threatened with the possibility of frontline military service.


28 posted on 01/24/2013 8:15:02 AM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: NKP_Vet

There is more than one way to skin a cat. The skinning of a live cat is problematic, but it might at least be attempted.

If the left wing anti military, social services types are polled one might learn that many desire women in combat rolls.

Any rational person, and especially those women who have tried but failed to pass muster know that women lack the physical traits necessary.

So, issue an edict making women eligible for combat. The edict will be challenged and in court before it can be implemented. The edict might be overturned on constitutional grounds thus relieving the jug eared one of the responsibility. He made the effort by having a wornout party hack issue the edict on leaving office. The departing party can’t be harmed because he is gone.

it may take a while and of course paying off lawyers and judges and all the court hangers on, but the cat will be skinned


29 posted on 01/24/2013 8:22:34 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: corkoman
It has been a long while, but if my memory is working, standard combat load including weapon and ammunition is about 100LBS.

That is a considerable load for an average sized woman.

Also what about the prospective casualty rate among both men and women?

The Russians tried women in line units and abandoned the idea as unworkable.

30 posted on 01/24/2013 8:24:08 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: cuban leaf

I laugh at the leftist o-holes who tell me “Stop watching Fox News” and reply, “You really think Fox is right wing?!”

The answer is always yes, because that’s what they hear other leftist o-holes say.


31 posted on 01/24/2013 8:30:49 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“The Russians tried women in line units and abandoned the idea as unworkable”

So did the Israelis. Not even Hitler was tried this BS. Women were in support roles in Nazi Army.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 8:38:37 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: skeeter

ditto. Just remember, this earth is only our temporary home, not our permanent residence! He has gone before us to prepare our homes, and He will come back for us! Jesus fulfills prophecies and keeps His promises.

Peace to you and your family & blessings!


33 posted on 01/24/2013 8:52:20 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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“The Russians tried women in line units and abandoned the idea as unworkable”

In WWII Russian female snipers were very effective ... Pavlichenko in particular with 309 confirmed kills ... with a number closer to 500 in actual kills.

34 posted on 01/24/2013 8:53:06 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: NKP_Vet

35 posted on 01/24/2013 8:54:48 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: sassy steel magnolia

In all sincerity, thanks - thats just what I needed to hear.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 8:58:39 AM PST by skeeter
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To: BluH2o; MinuteGal

Actually, snipers is about the only field I would let women participate in. Many women have good aim. As to the rest, keep them out. This could be a fine example of be careful what you wish for as you may get it. All these women thinking they are feminazi’s screaming for equal rights on the front lines. Well, let’s see how much they actually try to get those positions now that the choice of becoming battle hardened will be a reality. I suspect 90% or more of women in the services are actually secretly horrified at being presented with this option.

You aren’t going to see many volunteers, and amongst the ones that do, most will fail to pass the physical requirements for front line service. The whole thing is a big joke, as the ladies on the front line will all soon find out. Hah, the Obama regime has inadverdently called their bluff. Most of the ones that are itching to fight are the dykes anyhow. Well, let’s see how the ladies feel after a goodly number of their kind get picked off in battle, or captured, tortured, and/or raped. Won’t be so much fun then to be “one of the boys”, because they’re not.


37 posted on 01/24/2013 9:13:13 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Solution for this is very simple.

Simply make women fight in all-female units only. All male units. All female units. No morale degradation for the male units.

Female units? No female would join one! Every woman would know that would be suicidal - or a welcome-mat for rape by any enemy........


38 posted on 01/24/2013 9:13:53 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Slyfox

You have nailed the goal — cripple the military.


39 posted on 01/24/2013 9:49:56 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Slyfox

You got it.


40 posted on 01/24/2013 10:10:14 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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Women have unofficially served in combat units for years. They go with the men to search women they may come upon.


41 posted on 01/24/2013 11:04:30 AM PST by webboy45
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To: NKP_Vet
The soft tyranny being peddled in the District of Corruption by this clown and his cast of thousands could care less what the current law says, and certainly are no respecter of the US Constitution. The examples of are far too numerous to list here. By the end of 2016 we will indeed be a different country. Even if Barry were to be removed we would have Slo Joe as Pres.
42 posted on 01/24/2013 12:48:35 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Bigg Red

Was just watching “The Five” on Faux News. They were talking about women now being in the infantry. They all agreed with it and said “bless their hearts if that’s what they want”.

Faux News is every damn bit as liberal as the other news channels. I have yet to see anyone mention Congress’ role in lifting the ban on women in combat. I guess Penetta controls Congress.


43 posted on 01/24/2013 2:34:53 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Faux News is every damn bit as liberal as the other news channels

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They are indeed.

I never watch “The Five”. Can’t stand it.


44 posted on 01/24/2013 3:19:11 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: NKP_Vet

This illegitimate administration is so deep into unconstitutional territory it can only be described as a revolution. The really horrible thing is that no Rs are making any sounds at all. Not a squeak. There is no opposition.


45 posted on 01/24/2013 7:42:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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