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Elaine Donnelly: Women in Combat Order “Dangerous Social Experiment”
Newsmax ^ | Wednesday, 23 Jan 2013 08:54 PM | David A. Patten

Posted on 01/24/2013 10:06:04 AM PST by Olog-hai

Military-readiness advocate Elaine Donnelly warns that the Obama administration’s decision to put women in ground-combat roles amounts to “social engineering to achieve a political end in the name of diversity.”

She adds that the policy shift means “lives could be lost unnecessarily, not just women, but men.”

Donnelly’s organization, the Center for Military Readiness, released a 42-page report earlier this week exploring the unintended consequences of putting women on the front lines.

“It will do great harm to women in the military, especially those who will find themselves in the infantry—something there’s no indication they wanted,” Donnelly said Wednesday in an exclusive Newsmax interview. “It will harm men and the mission of the infantry as a whole.” …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bhodod; elainedonnelly; killourwomen; militaryreadiness; panetta; womenincombat
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1 posted on 01/24/2013 10:06:13 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Anyone who knows combat as I do, knows this is a very bad idea.


2 posted on 01/24/2013 10:10:34 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Olog-hai

My reaction is that the female must be able to meet the same qualifications imposed on the male. Thereafter, if she is in a frontline role and gets pregnant, both the father and her are discharged.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 10:12:17 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper

“And in the Overseas Contingency Crisis Management all front line casualties represented the diversity which is our strength in almost all demographic percentages. However military experts are at a loss to explain why Gay casualties haven’t reached the projected 10%.”


4 posted on 01/24/2013 10:29:25 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Olog-hai
Elaine Donnelly: Women in Combat Order “Dangerous Social Experiment”

Gee, ya THINK, Elaine!?? You could try to impose worse ideas on the military, but your feminist meddling where it doesn't belong has lead to this.

Look at the numbers of men who have been in combat that now suffer from PTSD. Why would ANY sane person believe that this is a good idea for women!!!?????

5 posted on 01/24/2013 10:30:20 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Olog-hai

In many if not most billets, gays and women can serve effectively although they are going to be challenged and degraded by their ability to cope with the effects of pregnancy and homophobia and fitness.

Remember ladies, all of our shooting enemies are muslim men. For them is haram (forbidden) to look or talk to women, any women, even those in uniform or demonstrating any authority.

Factor that into the combat walking patrol and liaison with village elders that will greatly help in keeping your troops alive.

Special Ops is a highly testosterone-driven boys club.

Ladies, I been there, don’t go there.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 10:39:33 AM PST by gandalftb
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To: Olog-hai

Why should women get a choice of meeting the men’s standards or not?

No man in the US armed services has the option of meeting the lower women’s physical standards, even if he’s a nurse or accountant.

Neither should the woman have the choice. If they want the “option” of front-line combat positions, then it should be a uniform standard for all servicemembers.


7 posted on 01/24/2013 10:44:11 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: DJ Taylor

This is going to be very bad. I just finished a couple of books on the war in Afghanistan. One was about the special forces/ranger fight during Operation Anaconda and the other was about a 10th mountain Division unit in Eastern Afghanistan. What both of these units went through was brutal combat at about 10,000 feet. I don’t think any woman soldier would have survived. Our soldiers are required to patrol in some of the roughest terrain in the world against the most savage sons of bitches we ever fought. Our guys have to carry combat loads of eighty to 100 pounds I don’t see women doing it. What will probably happen is that they will be left in base camp and the men will do the patroling and combat. The women will still count against the combat strenth of the unit. This has just got so many things wrong with it and a lot of soldiers are going to die for the decisions made by Obama and the chicken shit Pannetta.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 10:51:21 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: DustyMoment
If you're attributing the line

'You could try to impose worse ideas on the military, but your feminist meddling where it doesn't belong has lead to this'.....

... to Elaine Donnelly.....

you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Donnelly has had a long standing belief that women should not be in combat situations....

She is not a feminist.

9 posted on 01/24/2013 11:01:07 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: Olog-hai
Women better be angry at this(feminist included.)

Aside from the oblivious military ramifications, think of the social effects.

1). The hardening attitude of men towards women. If our men sees enlisted women as just another “soldier” and not an more vulnerable member of society. PTSD is already an known effect on our troops, must we instill callous attitude towards women, most of whom do not share the same desire to "hump" large backbacks across hostile terrain while getting shot at

2). Women must be included in the Draft.(14th Amendment) Hey it's only fair. And most important, the line between combatants and civilians will be completely erased, no longer just occasionally blurred.

Women will necessarily seen as an untapped source of manpower(no pun intended) and thus “war material” to be destroyed by our enemies.

All just to advance the goals of a few feminists

10 posted on 01/24/2013 11:16:20 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Olog-hai

An emotional issue for sure. However in WW2 the Russians had women fighter pilots, tank drivers and snipers.


11 posted on 01/24/2013 12:24:25 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: RedMonqey

In past wars the weakest and the dumbest. and those with no connections were always assigned to become cannon fodder. Put them out front, they will not be much of a loss. The smart and strong and the rich found ways to stay out of harms way. I am wondering just what will happen to a 5’2” 120 lb lady with an IQ of 90 who can’t type in this modern army? (You know the army still discriminates against those they term overweight.)


12 posted on 01/24/2013 12:26:47 PM PST by cotton
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To: Olog-hai

Two anecdotal examples of how the military can never, ever keep the same standards between men and women, because of PC pressures.

Jumpmaster - one of the duties of a Jumpmaster is a pre-jump inspection. He checks the parachute, static line, helmet, etc....and the final check: he runs his hands along the harness and follows the straps under the crotch. He’s checking to make sure they aren’t improperly routed around your testicles. Once I had a female jumpmaster. She, of course, did not do this. This was 20 years ago - the military failed to hold her to the same standard, and put us all at risk (a poorly routed strap is more than ha-ha it hurts stuff...it could be serious trauma).

Pull-ups: At Airborne school, you learn how to steer an older style parachute (T10C). It requires quite a bit of upper body strength. In order to be prepared for the real thing, we were required to do 10 pullups before entering the mess hall. So, if you were to go to the Airborne School at Ft Benning, you would notice a few pull up bars in front of every mess hall. In adddition to that, you will see one bar around 3 feet off the ground. What’s it for? Well most women cannot do 10 pull ups - so they lie on their backs and do a sort of simulated pullup on this lower bar. Now steering is important in a parachute...and its dangerous if some of your fellow jumpers can’t steer. They could run into you, or they could end up in a situation where they are essentially standing on your parachute, which is extremely dangerous. But there it was - a lower standard, and obviously most of the women could not steer.

I have absolutely no reason to believe women will be held to a higher standard in these new positions.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 12:27:36 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: DustyMoment

Get your head outta your butt and look up Elaine Donnelly. Your post makes you appear terribly ignorant.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 12:28:25 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: jmacusa

They also had a lot of material help from the USA. If not for that, the USSR could have fallen to the Nazis.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 12:30:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Yeah, and they never paid back a dime of it either and all the time it was “When are you going to launch the second front’’? Every once and awhile I run into some Russian on the internet talking about how the brave Red Army vanquished the Nazis. When I point out to them that old Joe Stalin was quite content at first to walk down the garden path with old Adolph they shut up.


16 posted on 01/24/2013 12:37:13 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Olog-hai

I dunno, a few platoons of PMS deranged feminazi butchs could be a pretty lethal force............. /s


17 posted on 01/24/2013 12:50:24 PM PST by OB1kNOb (On November 6, 2012 liberty was given the death penalty in America.)
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To: cotton
In past wars the weakest and the dumbest. and those with no connections were always assigned to become cannon fodder. Put them out front, they will not be much of a much of a loss.

A Darwinian approach to way works as long as it is dumb men getting killed but even dumb women can produce babies.

One man+ multiple women = repopolation.

It's the Dr StrangeLove equation


18 posted on 01/24/2013 3:23:02 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: jmacusa
However in WW2 the Russians had women fighter pilots, tank drivers and snipers

True but have you ever seen these Russian women(No, not the ones at the dating sites)

They looked as if they were fresh out of collective farm fields and taken away from their jobs...

...pulling in front of the plows.

Seriously... Not alot of beefy women like that in the US.

Unless you count the NOW membership rolls...
19 posted on 01/24/2013 3:35:44 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: jmacusa
..all the time it was “When are you going to launch the second front’’?

Never got the " second front’’ whining.

It's not as if the Western allies weren't fighting in North Africa or Italy or even the Atlantic Campaign to get the supplies that were needed to undertake such a endeavor(as well as feed and supply the Ruskies as well).



Or the US fighting the Japanese practically alone in the Pacific(No I didn't forget the British, Dutch, or Aussies)
20 posted on 01/24/2013 3:45:40 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey
Well, yeah nature had not been kind to Russian women of that area, eating too much borscht and potatoes (if they had it.) will add the pounds. What can you say, Estee Lauder hadn't arrived in the USSR in 1941. There were some who were good looking. I remember seeing a picture of some women snipers who looked good. But you're right, they were most certainly strait from the collective farm or the gulag. But then again I think Russian men of that time had a different ideal of beauty. For any Russian army soldier I think his idea of the ideal woman was any women who was talking to him.
21 posted on 01/24/2013 9:26:50 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: RedMonqey
The Brits and Aussies did contribute some naval assets but there was no doubt that the US Navy did the heavy lifting. No offense to our allies but America was the only country that could produce the weapons needed to put the Imperial Japanese Navy to the bottom of the sea.
22 posted on 01/24/2013 10:34:32 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: EDINVA

Thank you for your courteous and polite suggestion.

You really inspired me to want to take your suggestion.


23 posted on 01/25/2013 10:30:49 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

yeah, figured my first impression was right


24 posted on 01/25/2013 11:13:29 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: jmacusa
For any Russian army soldier I think his idea of the ideal woman was any women who was talking to him.

HaHaHa

That's funny

25 posted on 01/25/2013 2:35:01 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: jmacusa

You are a General of an Infantry division and your Commander lets you choose one of two enemy divisions to fight. The first enemy division that you could choose to oppose in the upcoming battle is all male. Or you could instead choose to fight the second enemy division that was mixed faggot, women and men. So which enemy division would you choose to fight?


26 posted on 01/25/2013 2:41:30 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: EDINVA

Which was?


27 posted on 01/25/2013 10:12:36 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: central_va
What kind of question is this? I don't care if an enemy is bull dyke or an eighty year old syphilitic with asthma, if it can pull a trigger you're just as dead.
28 posted on 01/25/2013 10:44:36 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
What kind of question is this? I don't care if an enemy is bull dyke or an eighty year old syphilitic with asthma, if it can pull a trigger you're just as dead.

Answer the question, it is simple enough. Quit ducking like a coward.

29 posted on 01/26/2013 4:55:56 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

What the hell are you talking about? Kill them all and let God sort them out. Coward your ass.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 7:27:59 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

Answer the question. Or are you a coward?


31 posted on 01/26/2013 7:30:49 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I answered your stupid question Reb. Here it is again:” Kill them all.


32 posted on 01/26/2013 7:34:24 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

Aim low; some of them are kids.


33 posted on 01/26/2013 7:34:46 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: jmacusa

No, the question was to pick which division. You cant answer because it will make you look stupid, well that is impossible in your case. More stupid and hypocritical.


34 posted on 01/26/2013 7:36:54 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I don’t know what the hell your talking about Reb and frankly I don’t give a crap. Stupid? That’s rich coming from a “Lost Causer’’ like you. BTW it’s ‘’can’t’’. As I’ve always said irony is lost on you.


35 posted on 01/26/2013 7:44:10 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

“However in WW2 the Russians had women fighter pilots, tank drivers and snipers.”

OK. When we have 20 million dead, civilians being machine gunned into death pits, and the enemy trying to force the Mississippi with St. Louis besieged and the residents of Chicago eating rats and each other, THEN we can consider it.


36 posted on 01/26/2013 7:44:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: jmacusa

ATFQ. Turns out ALL the anti- South anti- states right bigots on Free Republic are liberal, you being no exception.


37 posted on 01/26/2013 7:54:50 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Noble

By that time it’ll be too late. There are women flying fighter jets in our military, helicopters(Apaches even) driving trucks.Remember that convoy that was ambushed during Operation Iraqi Freedom? I believe there were two women in it, one was an American Indian who was killed and one was a black woman who was captured. But women as actual grunts? I dunno...


38 posted on 01/26/2013 7:55:17 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
You are a liberal


39 posted on 01/26/2013 7:58:03 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I don’t hate Southerners Reb. I just don’t like Johnny Reb wanna-be’s. And I vote conservative Republican.Unlike you, who claims to be a conservative but is really a Dixiecrat through and through. Here’s a question for you Reb, make a sentence out of these three words: ‘’hare’’, ‘’hunter’’, ‘’field’’ Can you do it?


40 posted on 01/26/2013 7:59:48 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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OK. When we have 20 million dead, civilians being machine gunned into death pits, and the enemy trying to force the Mississippi with St. Louis besieged and the residents of Chicago eating rats and each other, THEN we can consider it.

Your point is WELL taken. PS:Jamacusa is a south hating, anti-states rights liberal POS.

41 posted on 01/26/2013 8:01:03 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jmacusa

ATFQ


42 posted on 01/26/2013 8:02:01 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Projecting again ‘eh Reb? Thanks for all the free parking in your head. So can you make a sentence out of the three words Reb?


43 posted on 01/26/2013 8:06:04 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: DustyMoment

Willful ignorance does not deserve polite response, FRiend.


44 posted on 01/26/2013 8:07:16 AM PST by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: MortMan; EDINVA
Willful ignorance does not deserve polite response, FRiend.

And, I have certainly not gotten that from either you or EDINVA, despite the fact that I have said nothing rude to either of you.

A pity that neither of you can make the same claim.

I guess civil discourse and debate in America are truly extinct.

45 posted on 01/26/2013 8:42:28 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: jmacusa

When correcting another person’s grammar or spelling, it’s a good idea not to use improper grammar oneself. I.e., “I don’t know what the hell your talking about ...”

Just sayin’


46 posted on 01/26/2013 9:49:12 AM PST by EDINVA
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When correcting another person’s grammar or spelling, it’s a good idea not to use improper grammar oneself. I.e., “I don’t know what the hell your talking about ...” Just sayin’

LOL

47 posted on 01/26/2013 9:52:31 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: EDINVA

Yeah makes central va and myself about even doesn’t it.


48 posted on 01/26/2013 7:16:47 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: central_va

What are you laughing about stupid you didn’t do any better.


49 posted on 01/26/2013 7:21:46 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: central_va

You’re a Dixiecrat.


50 posted on 01/26/2013 7:27:16 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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