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Women must meet same physical standards as men under new order (Link Only)

Posted on 01/24/2013 12:40:27 PM PST by JerseyanExile

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1 posted on 01/24/2013 12:40:38 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

And those standards will be lowered.


2 posted on 01/24/2013 12:42:29 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: JerseyanExile

Until the lawsuits.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 12:43:39 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: JerseyanExile

Get ready for the first all Female SEAL team. (Once they retract the standards that they claim above as the same exact physical requirements.)


4 posted on 01/24/2013 12:46:35 PM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: JerseyanExile

Like I said, I DO appreciate their Patriotism ... but this is wrong in so many ways.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 12:50:54 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: JerseyanExile

They won’t. They can’t. For the same reason that women are not in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 12:51:22 PM PST by lurk
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To: JerseyanExile

Why are women not allowed to compete against men in pro tennis, volleyball, swimming, etc but its ok to compete against them in life or death fighting?


7 posted on 01/24/2013 12:51:22 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: JerseyanExile

At least they are not demanding the same physical, anatomical *features*.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 12:53:39 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: submarinerswife
get ready for female SEAL team

I was recycled TWICE after getting injured during the Mountain phase of Ranger school.

I just cant see many women getting through Ranger/BUDS/SF-Q courses.

11 B/11 A courses? Maybe. 18 series courses? Never.

9 posted on 01/24/2013 12:54:26 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: JerseyanExile

As usual, the standards will be lowered for all, awards given for things not actually accomplished, etc, etc, etc.


10 posted on 01/24/2013 12:55:13 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: JerseyanExile
There have been women try out and fail training for both the ARMY Rangers and the NAVY SEALS. They were not removed because they were women they failed the physical training. To my knowledge there are still no females in either of these organizations.

If they want to try they should be able to but never drop the standards for anyone, male or female. Biology will figure out the rest.

11 posted on 01/24/2013 12:56:05 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: submarinerswife
"Get ready for the first all Female SEAL team."

Manatee Team Six

12 posted on 01/24/2013 12:56:16 PM PST by circlecity
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To: submarinerswife

Demi Moore did it...


13 posted on 01/24/2013 12:56:49 PM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: JerseyanExile

P.S. As it is we hear females make claim they “did the same things the men had to do”, when we all know that isn’t even remotely true.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 12:56:49 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad

and once they grad from the easier course, they will pop positive for pregnant and well........there goes that training money down the drain.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 12:58:15 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Why are women not allowed to compete against men in pro tennis, volleyball, swimming, etc but its ok to compete against them in life or death fighting?

Excellent! You summed it up perfectly.

16 posted on 01/24/2013 12:58:38 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: massgopguy

The politically correct Army PR machine churns out all sorts of releases about women doing everything the men do only better. But the PT standards are never mentioned and there are DRASTIC differences in those.

So according to those unmentioned standards the female soldiers will arrive minutes later than men even thought they are carrying less weight and will have decisively less upper body strength to handle the mission.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 12:58:46 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: JerseyanExile

More to force Marx’s absurd Lies——that men and women are interchangeable-—to destroy the Reason and thinking of little children-—condition them into the Worldview of Radical Egalitarianism to destroy Western Civilization.

That which made this country Fun and Beautiful and Exceptional——like the Romantic Period (Hugo/Dostoevsky)-—the Renaissance-—The Age of Reason—where the differences of men and women were celebrated and society was “Ordered” in the most productive, efficient way—to facilitate the flourishing of the next generation and Happiness when one does NOT try to ignore their basic nature-—WHICH, BTW, created strong character and the ideas of Individuality and Responsibility.

Today-—they want only the State to have control-—so they have to force little kids to see lies as “Truth”-—that men and women are exactly the same-—so Johnny can sodomize Tommy and it is “Good”.

Totally—to erase Christian Ethics and the ideas of Subsidiarity and Love and Loyalty and Responsibility, but particularly that idea of Individuality-—Individual Rights that come from God and make us so UNIQUE———so government becomes your Master. Equality—means removing “quality” from human existence. It is ugly, boring and evil.


18 posted on 01/24/2013 12:59:00 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: massgopguy

“And those standards will be lowered.”

Exactly.

When the desired stats are not met, standards will be lowered accordingly until they are.

(By the way, I know some very remarkable women who’d easily meet any existing standards...but it’s quotas “they” will be looking for...not qualifications.)

After all, look at the joke of a dork we have for president.


19 posted on 01/24/2013 12:59:43 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: JerseyanExile

I was down at the Annapolis Naval Academy a few years ago. I passed a woman at the school. I overheard her say that she was going to work out. She was probably about 5’ 10 and about 190 pounds. Honestly, She could kick the butt of most men.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 12:59:55 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: JerseyanExile
If they want true equality, then I think that every MOS (Military Occupation Specialty) should be maintained at the same proportion as that of the service as a whole.

For example, WM's (Woman Marine) compose around 6% of the USMC. Therefore, they should represent 6% of all those with MOS 0311 (infantry rifleman).

ALL female recruits should be directed to MOS's that are underrepresented until those MOS's consist of a proportional number of females.

Standards must not be modified, current standards are already at minimum requirements in the USMC.

That is what, IMHO, is required to make things 'fair'.

Anyone care to guess what the result of a 'fair' policy would be?
21 posted on 01/24/2013 1:00:38 PM PST by MMaschin
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To: PA-RIVER

That could be true but very few can.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 1:03:44 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: massgopguy
And those standards will be lowered.

That is exactly what has happened over the last 50 years in every case involving the qualifications of government protected classes.

Just yesterday on FOX News there was a report that the Washington DC school district is going to eliminate subjects like Civics and Social Studies for high school students because the little darlings just don't seem to be able to get passing grades.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 1:04:25 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: DCBryan1

There will be massive pressure on Commanders to pass females through training.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 1:06:38 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: massgopguy
The Marines selected two females last year to go through their Infantry Officers Course at Quanico.
These were not hand picked daises, there met all the standards.
Both Failed/Dropped the course.
One wrote an article for Marine Corps Times publication.
Titled “ Get over it , We are not all Equal”.
She related how she suffered more leg cramping,Stress Fractures,loss of leg control,(Knees buckling) dizziness, loss of muscle tissue,and body weight at a faster rate than her male Marines

There is one and only one reason to make changes to the tip of the spear is to add to it's effectiveness. A force multiplier for instance.
This change is about one thing, female promotion possibilities.

This is gonna get people killed, either by guys trying to protect the females, or the lack of abilities on the part of females. Israel found this out the hard way

I know first hand, my son is a infantry platoon leader. It's bad enough that he has female engagement team (FET)attached to his unit.
They don't co-habitate, but live at brigade HQ.They get driven up in a Humvee,prior to the patrol

They try to keep up, but never the less slow his troops down.
He tells me he is afraid of what will happen if they get in to a real s$it slinging firefight.

25 posted on 01/24/2013 1:06:49 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: oldenuff2no

“If they want to try they should be able to...”

No, they shouldn’t. What happens if she gets pregnant? If a team gets captured, they’ll use the female against the males. You can’t train away human nature. This applies to both sexes.


26 posted on 01/24/2013 1:07:09 PM PST by EEGator
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To: JerseyanExile

It’s asking what is not possible. The upper bodies are not designed equally. Even with fit individuals.

Send all the old bag feminists who are pro-women-in-combat to the front lines and see if they’re for women in combat after a few weeks. Don’t let them leave early. Seriously.

It’s a terrible idea. I can understand wanting to do something you shouldn’t be doing even though you want to. they are not geared for this. A lot of guys aren’t geared for it.


27 posted on 01/24/2013 1:09:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: DCBryan1
I just cant see many women getting through Ranger/BUDS/SF-Q courses.

I hear you, brother. I'll take it a step further and omit the "many" part of your statement. You can take Serena and Venus Williams and any "pro" female Wrestler, drop them into Ranger School circa 1970, and watch an epic FAIL. Don't even stop me laughing when I think about attempting SEAL training for women. They can't pass the standards set for us.

So, logically, the new standards can be passed by 8 year old boys, 60+ year old men, .. and women.

See? Everything is fair now...

28 posted on 01/24/2013 1:10:46 PM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: lurk

But they always beat up men in movies, TV shows and commercials. /sarc.


29 posted on 01/24/2013 1:11:57 PM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama is the "Disco Duck" president. A no-substance novelty that reached number one.)
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To: CodeToad

This is all about having a female Chairperson of the Joint Chiefs.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 1:12:33 PM PST by Delta Dawn (at)
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To: JerseyanExile

Haven’t the standards been lowered enough?


31 posted on 01/24/2013 1:13:33 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: EEGator

No one I know who was in Vietnam recalls being asked if they wanted to do something. BTW, I looked up why women aren’t required to register for Selective Service. This was last looked at in 1994 and the answer was because women are not in front line positions. Well, now they are. Register ladies.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 1:19:28 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Da Coyote
(By the way, I know some very remarkable women who’d easily meet any existing standards...but it’s quotas “they” will be looking for...not qualifications.)

I know some excellent, physically superior women as well. Any of them, when pitted against a 155lb. MMA male in the octagon, would be quickly slaughtered. Any of them, pitted against ANY current, active duty SEAL would be obliterated in any physical test; hand to hand, endurance, weight bearing, swimming.. anything.

33 posted on 01/24/2013 1:19:35 PM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: MMaschin

The goal is 50% women.


34 posted on 01/24/2013 1:20:58 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: massgopguy

That is going to result in a whole lot of upset women if it happens.


35 posted on 01/24/2013 1:25:13 PM PST by EEGator
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To: TomasUSMC

Excellent point, a few get pregnant to get out of deployment now. If a female is serious then she should agree to Depo prevera inserts in her arm to prevent pregnancy for five years as a precondition to attend training.

I have two daughters and I do not want them hanging out in the sausage fest that is combat arms a lot of testo not a lot of brains......

I served 32 years in the infantry


36 posted on 01/24/2013 1:36:31 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzz.kill for short......)
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To: massgopguy

Right, lower standards for all, just to make it “fair”.
Obama’s process of reducing the U.S. to minor status is proceeding as planned.


37 posted on 01/24/2013 1:49:50 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: submarinerswife
Get ready for the first all Female SEAL team.

Trained and commanded by G.I. Jane herself...Demi Moore!

38 posted on 01/24/2013 1:52:50 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MMaschin
If they want true equality, then I think that every MOS (Military Occupation Specialty) should be maintained at the same proportion as that of the service as a whole.

Women were originally taken as active duty military to free up men for combat roles for which women are unsuited or less suited. It made perfectly good sense to have them in supply and administrative positions. The insanity increases.

39 posted on 01/24/2013 1:59:09 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

But they always beat up men in movies, TV shows and commercials. /sarc.


This is not by accident—its propaganda. If you used TV or movies as your sole belief system (and many people do), then women are flat out TOUGHER than men. Just watch the “Resident Evil” series. I bet you a lot of people watch so much Media they don’t know up from down anymore.


40 posted on 01/24/2013 2:10:21 PM PST by rbg81
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To: JerseyanExile

Standards? What standards? We don’t do standards in the US anymore.


41 posted on 01/24/2013 2:11:47 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: JerseyanExile

I am woman, hear me roar!!

“Hey, this is unfair...it’s my time of the month...blah...blah...blah!”

Sorry, but the standards will be lowered.


42 posted on 01/24/2013 2:35:15 PM PST by Artcore
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The article is a mess.

First, candidates attend the Officer Candidates School, 10 weeks. Then they attend the The Basic School at Quantico, 21 weeks.

After all that, the 2nd Lieutenants choose a military occupation specialty school, one of which is the Infantry Officer Course. It is a brutal course that has no gender separate standards and it is brutal and many men wash out and transfer to easier schools.


43 posted on 01/24/2013 2:58:16 PM PST by gandalftb
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To: rbg81
I know and I have been mentioning this for many years. As I said here yesterday, wait until the Dems nominate a female liberal because the signs at the convention won't be just pro-woman, they will be anti-male including mentioning private parts.

How about slaps to the face? That is generally accepted, even in ads. Two days ago, I was switching around the radio channels and came across sports radio (something I generally avoid). The male host said his wife told him to do something the prior day, he forgot and “when I got home, my wife gave me five fingers across the face.” Why do men deal with this? If he is trying to make a joke, how is that funny? That is a sign of submission. Would any woman say “Hey, my husband gave me five across the face?”

44 posted on 01/24/2013 3:11:45 PM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama is the "Disco Duck" president. A no-substance novelty that reached number one.)
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To: JerseyanExile
Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test
45 posted on 01/24/2013 5:16:01 PM PST by randita
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To: JerseyanExile
America is done. Prepare and Protect your own family. Hopefully you'll be around to pick up the pieces.

I'm not devastated by the demise of my country. Sorta like watching a friend with a terminal illness.

Nothing I can do about it. Hope it's quick and let's move on.

The founders saw this coming.

46 posted on 01/24/2013 5:26:16 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: EEGator
"No, they shouldn’t. What happens if she gets pregnant? If a team gets captured, they’ll use the female against the males. You can’t train away human nature. This applies to both sexes."

Women take up slots that the men have been put in for temporary duty for decades, either because they are injured and on light duty or because of family situations that can be handled in the short term. Now many of those positions are manned by women military members all the time and commanders do not have the options they used to have.

Nope, let them try. I'm a retired Ranger and have seen more than a few who thought they could get the job done, they didn't. If anything raise the requirements and shrink the force by ability and not this top down BS force reduction plan we are looking at.
The washout rate in Ranger school is pretty high. The ring out rate for the SEALS is also very high even for those who manage to pass all the physical tests to get that far.
Let the ladies try and we don't have to defend the outcome.

The very real fact is that many men who are in great physical shape fail to qualify for the ranger tab or the ability to call themselves a SEAL. I'm all for the women to have equal opportunities but no special treatment for anything at any time. Period.

47 posted on 01/24/2013 5:33:59 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

What if the female passes, that doesn’t answer the other problems associated with females on the front lines. I think it goes far beyond just PT standards.

As an aside, did you do your training at Ft. Benning?


48 posted on 01/24/2013 5:45:26 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator
I trained at Benning and many other Ranger/ARMY and even a couple Air Force schools. There are no female Rangers at this time. I have watched some fantastic young ladies try but the physical requirements get them every time.

The whole military concept it changing to smaller more specialized units having more ability, maneuverability, quicker response/deployment, and firepower. This is the way of the future. Increase the standards so these smaller units are truly the best of the best. The rest will take care of itself.

49 posted on 01/24/2013 6:11:03 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

Just wondering. I took the PAST for PJ’s in Basic and passed. I asked the SSgt if I washed out did I keep my guaranteed AFSC and he said no, so I said no. I think they just wanted a 100% commitment.


50 posted on 01/24/2013 6:17:59 PM PST by EEGator
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