Skip to comments.Women must meet same physical standards as men under new order (Link Only)
Posted on 01/24/2013 12:40:27 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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And those standards will be lowered.
Until the lawsuits.
Get ready for the first all Female SEAL team. (Once they retract the standards that they claim above as the same exact physical requirements.)
Like I said, I DO appreciate their Patriotism ... but this is wrong in so many ways.
They won’t. They can’t. For the same reason that women are not in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL.
Why are women not allowed to compete against men in pro tennis, volleyball, swimming, etc but its ok to compete against them in life or death fighting?
At least they are not demanding the same physical, anatomical *features*.
I was recycled TWICE after getting injured during the Mountain phase of Ranger school.
I just cant see many women getting through Ranger/BUDS/SF-Q courses.
11 B/11 A courses? Maybe. 18 series courses? Never.
As usual, the standards will be lowered for all, awards given for things not actually accomplished, etc, etc, etc.
If they want to try they should be able to but never drop the standards for anyone, male or female. Biology will figure out the rest.
Manatee Team Six
Demi Moore did it...
P.S. As it is we hear females make claim they “did the same things the men had to do”, when we all know that isn’t even remotely true.
and once they grad from the easier course, they will pop positive for pregnant and well........there goes that training money down the drain.
Excellent! You summed it up perfectly.
The politically correct Army PR machine churns out all sorts of releases about women doing everything the men do only better. But the PT standards are never mentioned and there are DRASTIC differences in those.
So according to those unmentioned standards the female soldiers will arrive minutes later than men even thought they are carrying less weight and will have decisively less upper body strength to handle the mission.
More to force Marx’s absurd Lies——that men and women are interchangeable-—to destroy the Reason and thinking of little children-—condition them into the Worldview of Radical Egalitarianism to destroy Western Civilization.
That which made this country Fun and Beautiful and Exceptional——like the Romantic Period (Hugo/Dostoevsky)-—the Renaissance-—The Age of Reason—where the differences of men and women were celebrated and society was “Ordered” in the most productive, efficient way—to facilitate the flourishing of the next generation and Happiness when one does NOT try to ignore their basic nature-—WHICH, BTW, created strong character and the ideas of Individuality and Responsibility.
Today-—they want only the State to have control-—so they have to force little kids to see lies as “Truth”-—that men and women are exactly the same-—so Johnny can sodomize Tommy and it is “Good”.
Totally—to erase Christian Ethics and the ideas of Subsidiarity and Love and Loyalty and Responsibility, but particularly that idea of Individuality-—Individual Rights that come from God and make us so UNIQUE———so government becomes your Master. Equality—means removing “quality” from human existence. It is ugly, boring and evil.
“And those standards will be lowered.”
When the desired stats are not met, standards will be lowered accordingly until they are.
(By the way, I know some very remarkable women who’d easily meet any existing standards...but it’s quotas “they” will be looking for...not qualifications.)
After all, look at the joke of a dork we have for president.
I was down at the Annapolis Naval Academy a few years ago. I passed a woman at the school. I overheard her say that she was going to work out. She was probably about 5’ 10 and about 190 pounds. Honestly, She could kick the butt of most men.
That could be true but very few can.
That is exactly what has happened over the last 50 years in every case involving the qualifications of government protected classes.
Just yesterday on FOX News there was a report that the Washington DC school district is going to eliminate subjects like Civics and Social Studies for high school students because the little darlings just don't seem to be able to get passing grades.
There will be massive pressure on Commanders to pass females through training.
There is one and only one reason to make changes to the tip of the spear is to add to it's effectiveness. A force multiplier for instance.
This change is about one thing, female promotion possibilities.
This is gonna get people killed, either by guys trying to protect the females, or the lack of abilities on the part of females. Israel found this out the hard way
I know first hand, my son is a infantry platoon leader. It's bad enough that he has female engagement team (FET)attached to his unit.
They don't co-habitate, but live at brigade HQ.They get driven up in a Humvee,prior to the patrol
They try to keep up, but never the less slow his troops down.
He tells me he is afraid of what will happen if they get in to a real s$it slinging firefight.
“If they want to try they should be able to...”
No, they shouldn’t. What happens if she gets pregnant? If a team gets captured, they’ll use the female against the males. You can’t train away human nature. This applies to both sexes.
It’s asking what is not possible. The upper bodies are not designed equally. Even with fit individuals.
Send all the old bag feminists who are pro-women-in-combat to the front lines and see if they’re for women in combat after a few weeks. Don’t let them leave early. Seriously.
It’s a terrible idea. I can understand wanting to do something you shouldn’t be doing even though you want to. they are not geared for this. A lot of guys aren’t geared for it.
I hear you, brother. I'll take it a step further and omit the "many" part of your statement. You can take Serena and Venus Williams and any "pro" female Wrestler, drop them into Ranger School circa 1970, and watch an epic FAIL. Don't even stop me laughing when I think about attempting SEAL training for women. They can't pass the standards set for us.
So, logically, the new standards can be passed by 8 year old boys, 60+ year old men, .. and women.
See? Everything is fair now...
But they always beat up men in movies, TV shows and commercials. /sarc.
This is all about having a female Chairperson of the Joint Chiefs.
Haven’t the standards been lowered enough?
No one I know who was in Vietnam recalls being asked if they wanted to do something. BTW, I looked up why women aren’t required to register for Selective Service. This was last looked at in 1994 and the answer was because women are not in front line positions. Well, now they are. Register ladies.
I know some excellent, physically superior women as well. Any of them, when pitted against a 155lb. MMA male in the octagon, would be quickly slaughtered. Any of them, pitted against ANY current, active duty SEAL would be obliterated in any physical test; hand to hand, endurance, weight bearing, swimming.. anything.
The goal is 50% women.
That is going to result in a whole lot of upset women if it happens.
Excellent point, a few get pregnant to get out of deployment now. If a female is serious then she should agree to Depo prevera inserts in her arm to prevent pregnancy for five years as a precondition to attend training.
I have two daughters and I do not want them hanging out in the sausage fest that is combat arms a lot of testo not a lot of brains......
I served 32 years in the infantry
Right, lower standards for all, just to make it “fair”.
Obama’s process of reducing the U.S. to minor status is proceeding as planned.
Trained and commanded by G.I. Jane herself...Demi Moore!
Women were originally taken as active duty military to free up men for combat roles for which women are unsuited or less suited. It made perfectly good sense to have them in supply and administrative positions. The insanity increases.
But they always beat up men in movies, TV shows and commercials. /sarc.
Standards? What standards? We don’t do standards in the US anymore.
I am woman, hear me roar!!
“Hey, this is unfair...it’s my time of the month...blah...blah...blah!”
Sorry, but the standards will be lowered.
The article is a mess.
First, candidates attend the Officer Candidates School, 10 weeks. Then they attend the The Basic School at Quantico, 21 weeks.
After all that, the 2nd Lieutenants choose a military occupation specialty school, one of which is the Infantry Officer Course. It is a brutal course that has no gender separate standards and it is brutal and many men wash out and transfer to easier schools.
How about slaps to the face? That is generally accepted, even in ads. Two days ago, I was switching around the radio channels and came across sports radio (something I generally avoid). The male host said his wife told him to do something the prior day, he forgot and “when I got home, my wife gave me five fingers across the face.” Why do men deal with this? If he is trying to make a joke, how is that funny? That is a sign of submission. Would any woman say “Hey, my husband gave me five across the face?”
I'm not devastated by the demise of my country. Sorta like watching a friend with a terminal illness.
Nothing I can do about it. Hope it's quick and let's move on.
The founders saw this coming.
Women take up slots that the men have been put in for temporary duty for decades, either because they are injured and on light duty or because of family situations that can be handled in the short term. Now many of those positions are manned by women military members all the time and commanders do not have the options they used to have.
Nope, let them try. I'm a retired Ranger and have seen more than a few who thought they could get the job done, they didn't. If anything raise the requirements and shrink the force by ability and not this top down BS force reduction plan we are looking at.
The washout rate in Ranger school is pretty high. The ring out rate for the SEALS is also very high even for those who manage to pass all the physical tests to get that far.
Let the ladies try and we don't have to defend the outcome.
The very real fact is that many men who are in great physical shape fail to qualify for the ranger tab or the ability to call themselves a SEAL. I'm all for the women to have equal opportunities but no special treatment for anything at any time. Period.
What if the female passes, that doesn’t answer the other problems associated with females on the front lines. I think it goes far beyond just PT standards.
As an aside, did you do your training at Ft. Benning?
The whole military concept it changing to smaller more specialized units having more ability, maneuverability, quicker response/deployment, and firepower. This is the way of the future. Increase the standards so these smaller units are truly the best of the best. The rest will take care of itself.
Just wondering. I took the PAST for PJ’s in Basic and passed. I asked the SSgt if I washed out did I keep my guaranteed AFSC and he said no, so I said no. I think they just wanted a 100% commitment.