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Penalty could keep smokers out of health overhaul
Yahoo! ^ | 01/23/2013 | RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

Posted on 01/24/2013 7:48:02 PM PST by kik5150

Millions of smokers could be priced out of health insurance because of tobacco penalties in President Barack Obama's health care law, according to experts who are just now teasing out the potential impact of a little-noted provision in the massive legislation.

The Affordable Care Act — "Obamacare" to its detractors — allows health insurers to charge smokers buying individual policies up to 50 percent higher premiums starting next Jan. 1.

For a 55-year-old smoker, the penalty could reach nearly $4,250 a year. A 60-year-old could wind up paying nearly $5,100 on top of premiums.

Younger smokers could be charged lower penalties under rules proposed last fall by the Obama administration. But older smokers could face a heavy hit on their household budgets at a time in life when smoking-related illnesses tend to emerge.

Workers covered on the job would be able to avoid tobacco penalties by joining smoking cessation programs, because employer plans operate under different rules. But experts say that option is not guaranteed to smokers trying to purchase coverage individually.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; obamacare; scam; smokers; smoking
They had to pass it to find out what's in it.
1 posted on 01/24/2013 7:48:10 PM PST by kik5150
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To: kik5150
'S ok. I'm not participating in this bit of fascism either. When I die, I die. God knows what to do with me.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/24/2013 7:53:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kik5150

Bet there is an obesity penalty, too. We just haven’t “found” it yet.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 7:53:51 PM PST by madison10
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To: kik5150

Are we having fun yet? Seig Hiel comrade?


4 posted on 01/24/2013 7:54:03 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: madison10

Gun owner penalty is 100%.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 7:56:01 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: kik5150

Wow. That is a huge penalty to smokers. This is insane.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 7:56:25 PM PST by Girlene
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To: kik5150

If you’re connected,powerful or one of “the most vulnerable among us” you won’t have to worry about this.The only people who *will* have to worry are folks like us.The Marxists have the game rigged folks! That explains my tagline.


7 posted on 01/24/2013 7:58:16 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: madison10

The article states that insurers won’t be able to charge more for people that are overweight. (at least not yet)

Guess I’ll have to move to Colorado or Oregon and start smoking dope. At least my insurance premiums won’t be affected.

What a world...what a world.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 7:59:28 PM PST by berdie
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To: kik5150

What the hell is this? Haven’t they been taxing the bejeezus out of smokers for years to recoup the extra money THEY say the smokers cost the health system? Oh yeah and here in California Meathead conned the stupid into taxing smokers even more to fund health care for children, like the money ever got there! Demonize the smokers, let the smokers die they yell, all the while forgetting that they now depend on the tax money from these same smokers to fund their feel good projects. Freaking hypocrites!


9 posted on 01/24/2013 8:05:55 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: kik5150

Aaand the best way to detect a smoker is by a urine test for nicotine, possibly a breath test for CO. There has to be an enforcement technique for this, right?

At the same time dope tests for EBT card recipients is OFF the table.


10 posted on 01/24/2013 8:06:59 PM PST by DBrow
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To: kik5150
Something just occurred to me.Yes,smoking is thought to be a health risk.But so is being a fat slob...being an addict...and being homosexual.Will there be any penalties for *these* things?
11 posted on 01/24/2013 8:07:20 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: kik5150

It is amazing what could be hidden in plain sight for two years!!!!! What a coincidence: it is disclosed AFTER the Presidential election and not before.

But on the other hand, this IS the media, Congress and the incompetent Republican Party we’re talking about! Nothing surprises anymore in this Neo-Fascist state.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 8:12:23 PM PST by JustTheTruth
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oh I don’t know brother

They may be onto something here.

Let’s see: Tobacco is legal so ban it.

Illegals are uhhh-—legal. Top is now down and uh

Of never mind


13 posted on 01/24/2013 8:17:38 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Mastador1

VERY WELL SAID


14 posted on 01/24/2013 8:19:15 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: kik5150

Is there a homosexual penalty? Aids patients die at a higher rate than smokers.....


15 posted on 01/24/2013 8:21:19 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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16 posted on 01/24/2013 8:21:37 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: DBrow
Aaand the best way to detect a smoker is by a urine test for nicotine, possibly a breath test for CO. There has to be an enforcement technique for this, right?

I am sure your doctor will test for it at your next visit. And if they force you to get a perscription for cigarettes from your doctor, then they will know exactly how much you smoke. And don't think smoking related ilnesses will be high on the list once the rationing starts. They will need all the money for things that can't be prevented, like AIDS.

17 posted on 01/24/2013 8:26:03 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: kik5150

Does that mean that the smoker in the White Hut won’t get medical attention? ...We can hope, can’t we :)


18 posted on 01/24/2013 8:26:54 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Mastador1

You are sooooo right! These arseholes don’t want people to quit smoking.....it would take away the untold millions in taxes that smokers pay. Hypocrites is an understatement.


19 posted on 01/24/2013 8:29:45 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Steve Newton
I've started a batch of tobacco already this year, and I'll start 3 more every 2 weeks to make sure I bracket the window for the weather when it comes time to set them out.

Just like I do every year.

I don't expect I'll quit growing tobacco even if they do outlaw it.

I've gotten very good at saying 'no' and ignoring supid government laws.

/johnny

20 posted on 01/24/2013 8:32:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Dawgreg
You are sooooo right! These arseholes don’t want people to quit smoking.....it would take away the untold millions in taxes that smokers pay. Hypocrites is an understatement.

If they force me to quit smoking I will live to be 105 just to p!ss em off and suck up benefits!
21 posted on 01/24/2013 8:35:46 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: kik5150

B-B-B-But.....it was a pre-existing habit. They gotta cover it right?


22 posted on 01/24/2013 8:39:27 PM PST by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: kik5150

There are also higher premiums for ‘older’ people (presumably younger than Medicare age) but the exact age is not specified.

However, there are not higher premiums for drug users, alcholics, people who engage in risky sex practices, extreme sports enthusiats, etc.

It won’t be long before you will be charged higher premiums for being overweight even slightly and other things, but the list will be very selective you can be sure. Some lifestyle choices will be exempt from higher premiums

Can’t say I’m surprised. The whole point of this excercise is control, not health care.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 8:51:23 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: weeweed

Good point.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 8:52:06 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Mastador1

“Demonize the smokers, let the smokers die they yell, all the while forgetting that they now depend on the tax money from these same smokers to fund their feel good projects. Freaking hypocrites!”

Yes, while I am thankful I never took up smoking, it looks like smokers are the new “minority,” Let’s see, raise the price of cigarettes to the point where smuggling is a very profitable “business,”and the smoker is going bankrupt with his addiction. And as with those “successful” state lotteries, “use the money for children.” Then create a special “class” in FUBOcare to “provide the added money to “care” for the smoker. But, if he dies too soon, what will “the children” do without the blood money? So the RATs will continue to divide us as a people, extracting money from those of us “they don’t like.”


25 posted on 01/24/2013 8:55:53 PM PST by vette6387
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To: kik5150

Bummer. Sucks to be a smoker.


26 posted on 01/24/2013 9:11:03 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I've started a batch of tobacco already this year,

I had no idea tobacco would grow in Texas (except for that wild rabbit tobacco, mullein).

27 posted on 01/24/2013 9:12:41 PM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: sockmonkey
Tobacco grows almost anywhere. Think about it. In our hemisphere, the best tobaccos grow in Virginia and Cuba. That covers a lot of latitudes.

/johnny

28 posted on 01/24/2013 9:18:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kik5150

No problemo. I’m not buying any health insurance or paying any penaltax.


29 posted on 01/24/2013 9:52:32 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Drango

Spoken like the statist boot-licker you are. LOL


30 posted on 01/24/2013 9:57:32 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: DJlaysitup

LOL......me too!


31 posted on 01/24/2013 10:04:28 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: TigersEye

I stand with you! These freaks are insane, 5K as a smoker, really??

This nightmare has to end, doesn’t it?!


32 posted on 01/24/2013 10:17:03 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

Oh, it will end. The only question is how.


33 posted on 01/24/2013 10:27:27 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“When I die, I die. God knows what to do with me.”

My will says dispose of carcus as cheap as possible, dumpster to landfill preferable!


34 posted on 01/24/2013 10:32:05 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Mastador1

You make some good points. But liberals won’t be able to follow the logic of cigarette taxes being so high in part because of health costs, or any other logic. The liberals have demonized smokers, and we’re not supposed to question it.

I wonder if the liberals will ever demonize homosexuals for all of the health costs imposed on society by their behaviors.


35 posted on 01/25/2013 1:29:35 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: kik5150

So the annual wellness exam freebie that includes nicotine screening will probably be mandatory this year.


36 posted on 01/25/2013 3:08:27 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: kik5150

Who’s next? Beer drinkers?


37 posted on 01/25/2013 4:05:42 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Gay State Conservative
If you’re connected,powerful or one of “the most vulnerable among us” you won’t have to worry about this.The only people who *will* have to worry are folks like us.The Marxists have the game rigged folks! That explains my tagline.

And don't forget about Muslims....they just have to be Muslim. Well, I guess that falls under "connected".

38 posted on 01/25/2013 4:12:45 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: weeweed

Yeah. Do heroin addicts have to pay a big premium? Nicotine is just as addictive. And how come this is just coming to light 3 months after the election?


39 posted on 01/25/2013 4:16:59 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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