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Biden: Putting armed guards in schools would be a “terrible mistake”
redalertpolitics.com ^ | January 24, 2013 | Kelsey Osterman

Posted on 01/24/2013 7:48:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Vice President Joe Biden figuratively slapped the National Rifle Association in the face on Thursday, indirectly slamming its suggestion to put armed guards in every school in the nation.

“We are not calling for armed guards in schools…we think that would be a terrible mistake,” the VP said during a PBS “Fireside Hangout” on Thursday.

“The last thing we need to do is be arming school teachers and administrators,” he added.

The Vice President did talk about allowing schools to hire more mental health professionals and ‘resource officers.’ Biden said the current proposal — some $40 million for schools to hire these individuals — will not fully cover the cost of implementing these strategies nationwide, but it is a “way to begin the process.”

Biden’s backhanded insult came just minutes before he mentioned that he had met with the NRA during his gun safety task force meetings earlier this month.

But Biden’s position on armed guards isn’t one the administration has been pushing. During an interview with David Gregory on “Meet the Press,” Obama said he was “skeptical” of putting armed guards in schools, but refused to rule it out. And the federal government used to pay for a program to put armed guards in schools, something that Obama discontinued in 2012.

During the live chat, Biden also contradicted a questioner who asked about “gun control.”

“I don’t view it as gun control,” he said. “I view it as gun safety.”

The Vice President also mentioned he doesn’t care what semi-automatic weapons are called.

“I’m much less concerned quite frankly about what you call an assault weapon than I am about magazines and the number of rounds that can be held in a magazine,” he said.


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1 posted on 01/24/2013 7:48:11 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

President Clinton funded the COPS program to put armed security in (some) schools. I would love to see Biden and Billy discuss this matter.
Nah,,nevermind. It would require a level of honesty that neither ‘man’ are capable of.


2 posted on 01/24/2013 7:52:25 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“We are not calling for armed guards in schools…we think that would be a terrible mistake”

Yeah, it might work to keep kids safe. We can't have that.

3 posted on 01/24/2013 7:52:52 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And the diff between armed guards in the Obamadork’s offspring schools and those in a plebeian school is?

Biden defines the baseline from which all IQ is measured.


4 posted on 01/24/2013 7:54:05 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s NO wonder we have so many LOW INFORMATION VOTERS....look at the LOW INFORMATION “leaders” they have!


5 posted on 01/24/2013 7:54:58 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Most High Schools I’ve seen have “Resource Officers” - cops assigned that basically fill this niche. How is it a mistake to extend this to Middle and Elementary Schools - EXCEPT that it doesn’t fit in with the kenyan’s un grab plans.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 7:55:04 PM PST by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Y’know ... all we have to do to these stupid statements is ask, “Why?” and demand an answer.


7 posted on 01/24/2013 7:55:34 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There are 26 dead people in Newtown Connecticut that might disagree ... Oh wait, they can’t.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 7:56:20 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Vice President did talk about allowing schools to hire more mental health professionals and ‘resource officers.’

Why the devil aren't ANY politicians talking about abolishing the Department of Education? What business is it of the Federal government to ALLOW schools to have guards or not have guards. What the HELL is a resource officer? Some kind of public union money grubber?

We have a massive deficit. Why not kill two birds with one stone--cut spending and cut oppressive meddling--and abolish the Department of Education?

That's just for starters. But I don't hear ANYBODY saying this. What a bunch of corrupt rats our politicians are.

9 posted on 01/24/2013 7:57:31 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“The last thing we need to do is be arming school teachers and administrators,”

Judging by some of the flakes I know who work in schools, this is probably the proper notion. They might shoot any kid who made a drawing of a gun.

10 posted on 01/24/2013 7:58:04 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No offense to mental health professionals,lots of great people in the field, but ever since the libs made it next to impossible to institutionalize these wackos they just keep being put back on the street. And what good will a mental health professional do against a armed assailant. Biden bloviates again. All I really see happening with the emphasis on students mental stability is little girls being suspended and scared to death for having a bubble blowing toy gun or having a piece of paper torn into a shape barely resembling a gun.


11 posted on 01/24/2013 7:58:20 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The only terrible mistake America has made is placing dims in office.
12 posted on 01/24/2013 8:00:15 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...
President Obama’s Call For Cops In Schools Echoes Clinton
pResident Obama suggested on Wednesday that the government provide grant money to hire police in schools, prompting cries of hypocrisy on the right after a proposal by the National Rifle Association to hire armed guards to protect children was met with widespread ridicule. But Obama’s plan has more in common with a program enacted by President Bill Clinton and eliminated by President Bush.

According to the White House, Obama plans on “using this year’s COPS program to provide incentives for more police departments to hire school resource officers” in addition to a “new, comprehensive school safety initiative to help local school districts hire up to 1,000 school resource officers and school-based mental health professionals, as well as make other investments in school safety.”

The COPS program was created by the 1994 crime bill, a law signed by Clinton and sponsored by then-Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) with the goal of hiring 100,000 police officers nationwide. Other provisions in the anti-crime package included the Violence Against Women Act and the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, both of which have since lapsed over Democratic objections.

After a wave of school shootings in the late 1990s, Clinton signed a bill funding grants to hire specially trained community officers in schools. The bill was authored by by then-Rep. James Maloney (D-CT), whose district includes Newtown today, and was aimed at least in part at preventing mass shootings. At a press conference in 1998, Clinton argued for passage of Maloney’s proposal by telling the story of a school officer in Richmond, Va., who was hired by the existing COPS program and apprehended a 14-year old shooter after the teenager wounded two students.

Although stopping school shootings was one goal of the effort, which Clinton expanded into the COPS In School Program, officers typically functioned more as guidance counselors and community liaisons. Here, for example, is how a Newtown officer described his work to the Associated Press in 1999:

Chris Vanghele, a school resource officer in Newtown, says law enforcement is only one of many functions performed by school patrols.

“A lot of people have the wrong perception. They think I’m in the schools because of school shootings in other parts of the nation,” Vanghele told the [AP].

“Obviously, if there is a crisis like that, it helps that I’m here,” he said. “But the main reason I’m here is to give kids respect for police officers and to be someone who can listen.”

But the COPS In Schools Program didn’t last: its funding was cut dramatically under Bush until it was eliminated in the 2006 budget over opposition from a number of Democratic lawmakers including Biden.

Conservative commentators in recent days have complained that Obama’s and Clinton’s efforts before him are more or less endorsements of the NRA’s plan to deploy armed guards in schools. But there are key differences: for one thing, Clinton and Obama called for specially trained police officers while LaPierre suggested arming volunteers as well. For another, both Clinton and Obama backed hiring new officers as part of a larger crackdown on gun violence that included restrictions on the design and sale of firearms.

“You know, I am not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me,” Obama said on Meet The Press last month when asked about the NRA proposal. “I am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. And I think the vast majority of the American people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem.”


13 posted on 01/24/2013 8:01:04 PM PST by narses
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To: Da Coyote; Tailgunner Joe

Do not attempt to draw a rational line from any perceived problem to suggested solution, if it involves liberals or democrats. To do so is highly frustrating from both a logical and practical perspective.

It is all about the children, if we can save only one life.

Don’t dare mention abortion. They will suddenly wish they had a gun to shoot you with.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 8:01:53 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama’s children have armed guards.

Why can’t our children have the same?


15 posted on 01/24/2013 8:03:19 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

“Obama’s children have armed guards.

Why can’t our children have the same?”

Because they belong to the ruling class.


16 posted on 01/24/2013 8:11:59 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The “terrible mistake” has been “Weapons prohibited” stickers and the Federal law behind them.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 8:13:55 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: goodnesswins
Truthfully you’re right!...so many of them are past retirement age but wont go home and spend the end yrs with their families...Their intoxication with POWER?...Well..look at the results...one by one..Sad...
18 posted on 01/24/2013 8:22:59 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama’s children go to a private school where his children are protected by armed guards. In protecting his children he is benefiting from the 2nd amendment rights enjoyed by the men who guard his daughters.

It is a violation of every parents 2nd amendment right not to have armed guards for citizen children in their schools.

( The creative liberal approach to constitutional interpretation.)


19 posted on 01/24/2013 8:24:20 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Oh, yeah, sure, sure, we can’t trust them with guns, but we’ll trust them with our kids.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 8:24:37 PM PST by Thorliveshere ( Aupono ac da tafor)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
February 15, 2012:

"It might come in handy to have these super locks," Obama joked at Master Lock in Wisconsin, noting that he will soon have two teenage daughters. "For now, I'm just counting on the fact that when they go to school there are men with guns with them."

21 posted on 01/24/2013 8:25:55 PM PST by optiguy (Winter is coming.)
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To: optiguy

Our local Home Depot in San Diego now has an armed guard outside.
Anybody else see them in other places?


22 posted on 01/24/2013 8:29:32 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Dogbert41; donna; Candor7
February 15, 2012: "It might come in handy to have these super locks," Obama joked at Master Lock in Wisconsin, noting that he will soon have two teenage daughters. "For now, I'm just counting on the fact that when they go to school there are men with guns with them."
23 posted on 01/24/2013 8:29:56 PM PST by optiguy (Winter is coming.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

OK, they say they’re doing this “for the children” yet their policies kill about 4,000 children a day. They claim a constitutional right to abortion, even though they had to make up a bunch of nonsense about a “penumbral right of privacy” since there is nothing in the Constitution about a right to kill people, but a great deal specifically written safeguarding the fundamental right to life.

So, then they say that in order to protect the children they can infringe upon a God-given right to the free citizens of the United States, recognized specifically by the 2nd Amendment.
If the impetus for all this emotion-laden twaddle is Sandy Hook, then the solution is armed guards in school ... but they say that armed guards are a bad idea in public schools, but not in their childrens’ schools.

Surely there is no other explanation possible: Biden, Feinstein and their ilk are cuckoo for cocoa puffs. They are insane. But they are Democrats, I repeat myself and, I know: Don’t call you Shirley.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 8:30:14 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes Joe that would be terrible.
Our children might live in fear thinking they lived in a police state.

That would be far worse than stripping the masses of 2nd amendment rights. /s


25 posted on 01/24/2013 8:31:03 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Adam Lanza, killer, agrees with Biden.


26 posted on 01/24/2013 8:32:23 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Oldexpat

I haven’t seen it here. I do see people open carry around here though. (Oklahoma)


27 posted on 01/24/2013 8:32:23 PM PST by optiguy (Winter is coming.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“I’m much less concerned quite frankly about what you call an assault weapon than I am about magazines and the number of rounds that can be held in a magazine,” Joe said.

So will we be restricting mag capacity for the jackboots Joe?


28 posted on 01/24/2013 8:33:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cicero
Biden: Putting armed guards in schools would be a “terrible mistake”

In D.C., perhaps. In rural Texas, no.

29 posted on 01/24/2013 8:33:38 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: knarf

So Why aren’t any of our elected officials doing that?

I feel like we are being sold down the river.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:07 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Da Coyote

“Biden defines the baseline from which all IQ is measured.”

And the baseline is: 70 - 79 - Borderline deficiency in intelligence


31 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:45 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Thorliveshere

Touche!


32 posted on 01/24/2013 8:39:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: austinaero

“President Clinton funded the COPS program—”

I don’t remember that-is it still active or being used?


33 posted on 01/24/2013 8:40:13 PM PST by malia
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putting BiteMe back in as Vice President - is actually more retarded than voting the Kenyan back in.

But that’s America.

On pie.


34 posted on 01/24/2013 8:49:46 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Our idiot Vice President doesn;t even know that hundreds of school district across America have already had armed guards in them.


35 posted on 01/24/2013 9:41:54 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

““The last thing we need to do is be arming school teachers and administrators,””

Because teachers and administrators will transform into psychopathic killers if they contact firearms?

The liberal has plenty of ideas of want he wants us to do, or not, but no reasons to speak of.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 10:00:09 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Aremed personnel in schools would result in less dead children , and we know you and your boss can’t have that.

These people are ****ing parasites of the worst sort.


37 posted on 01/24/2013 10:33:51 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Of course Joe doesn't want armed guards at the schools - because it would work. They can't have that. They - they being those that advocate gun control for the controlling aspects of it - want and need more school carnage. Only through additional school attacks can they generate the kind of ill-considered emotional knee-jerk response they need to take away our vital freedoms.

Just look at NY's gun control law. Rushed through with such fanfare and haste that they forgot the obvious component of exempting law enforcement - thus making most weapons and magazines possessed by law enforcement illegal too. oops. this is just an indication of the headlong rush they are in to get these laws through before people stop and think.

Joe knows armed guards in the schools would end the attacks. Joe know that just about no other measure they can take will end school attacks. It is that simple people. Usually when it seems there is only one option that's a clue you haven't looked hard enough. But for the life of me, after several weeks I don't see any other way of stopping school attacks.

Consider these simple facts. One - there will always be firearms in America. Always. The gun grabbers, fascists, and idealistic dreamers can do whatever they want but there will always be firearms in America. Even if they get their ultimate wet-dream and outlaw all firearms, criminals will still have whatever they want in terms of firepower. Consider, Prohibition - failure. War on drugs - failure. Drunk driving - failure. etc. etc. People willing to circumvent the law (ie. criminals) will always have access to whatever they want.

Two - there will always be evil and insanity in America. There will always be those individuals who for whatever reason, whatever voices in their heads, demons, pathology, etc. feel they need to get attention even at the expense of others' lives... They will exist.

Given these two irrefutable facts, there will be another school attack. The notion that a school can put up a sign and declare itself a gun free zone is utter idiocy, bordering on the criminally negligent when it comes to safety. School attacks end one of two ways. The whack-job accomplishes everything he/she wants and flees, surrenders, or commits suicide. Or the whack-job is stopped by being threatened, incapacitated, or killed. Option one is as bad as it gets. It means they have achieved the maximum amount of carnage. Option two requires someone with the firepower to make it happen being on site.

The only way to stop them and prevent maximum carnage is to put an armed presence there to stop them. The question then becomes how long does it take. Police response times are generally a few minutes, maybe 5 minutes on the low side, upwards of 20 on the high side. That is far too long. Firing 200+ rounds into 20+ kids and staff requires six magazine changes with 30 round mags. It requires an extra 3 magazine changes with 10 round mags. That's maybe 15 seconds. When law enforcement is 20 min away - big whoopdie fk...

So gee, Joe, your bans of firearms won't work, your bans of certain arbitrary features won't work. Only thing that would seem to work is having armed personnel on-site to reduce reaction time. Hmm, sounds like armed guards at the schools. Here's an added benefit - deterrence. Once the whack-jobs realize they aren't going to find a hunting preserve full of defenseless victims at schools guess what - they won't come there and attack where they know they will be almost immediately thwarted. How many people try mass shootings at a gun range. How many armed robberies are perpetrated at firearms stores... Not too da*n many because they just don't work.

So Joe, if you're serious about the safety of our children, you and everyone else with an IQ greater than room temperature has to realize armed guards are *the* answer. If you just want to continue to use our children as expendable pawns in your pursuit of a political agenda and power, F**K YOU you POS.

38 posted on 01/24/2013 10:46:56 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Love, for liberals, is a blobby, fuzzy, toasty thing—with no toughness or responsibility. Poor lil darlins, don’t want them to see those nasty things or even know they’re around. Might traumatize them. Keep it all sweetness and flowers.


39 posted on 01/24/2013 11:20:32 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“I don’t view it as gun control,” he said. “I view it as gun safety.”

These are two entirely different things, lamebrain. Just like a Democrat--always molesting the language to confuse everyone.

40 posted on 01/24/2013 11:31:42 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“I’m much less concerned quite frankly about what you call an assault weapon . . ."

There's no such thing as an assault weapon, so your sentence is total nonsense. Whether the manufacturers call some products that to sell more weapons, or the liberals call them that to pretend the weapons themselves have aggressive motives, it's spectacularly wrong. Wrongheaded, deceptive, propagandistic, and wicked.

41 posted on 01/24/2013 11:39:06 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is the same as saying, “The idea of putting automobiles on a four lane highway would be a terrible mistake!”

Of course, Bite-me forgets that Israel puts armed teachers in their schools every day. And, the terrorists stay away from the idea of shooting up Israeli school children.

Of course, Bite-me has a problem with remembering anything. Lucky he has his wife Jill to make sure he is wearing his pants when leaveing the house.


42 posted on 01/25/2013 12:51:29 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: mylife
WHY .. is a simple word that demands some thought if you're really gonn'a answer.

Liars don't think, they're really very shallow, so asking them "why" is a true burden to bear.
They'll just skip right on past the word.

But if only someone would hammer the "why" .. we might actually GET some place.

43 posted on 01/25/2013 12:52:32 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is the same as saying, “The idea of putting automobiles on a four lane highway would be a terrible mistake!”

Of course, Bite-me forgets that Israel puts armed teachers in their schools every day. And, the terrorists stay away from the idea of shooting up Israeli school children.

Of course, Bite-me has a problem with remembering anything. Lucky he has his wife Jill to make sure he is wearing his pants when leaving the house.


44 posted on 01/25/2013 12:53:00 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Biden, would you please stop proving that a human-like thing can function without an operative brain? You’ve beaten that particular horse to death. And then to death again. And yet again.

IOW, please STFU, Biden. You’ve proven your stupidity to a degree that you have validated your role as obastard’s insurance against removal from office (e.g., impeachment). You can quit being THAT stupid, now. Or rather you could if you really weren’t THAT D#MN STUPID.


45 posted on 01/25/2013 1:29:29 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Are the Secret Service agents escorting Sasha and Malia to school just carrying spare calculator batteries, or are they armed? If armed, and we all know they are, why are weapons appropriate to protect Obama's children but not ours?

46 posted on 01/25/2013 2:56:07 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: Oldexpat
Our local Home Depot in San Diego now has an armed guard outside.

Anybody else see them in other places?

A few years back, a national chain opened a grocery store in a "food desert" in a city near me. There was an armed guard there at all times that it was open and it was open 24 hours a day.

The store was bleeding money, having to pay salary to the guards plus all the shop lifting. The guards weren't there to prevent shop lifting, they had in store security for that. The guards were there to prevent armed robberies, they stopped a few. The store finally had to close when one of the guards was murdered during a robbery. The rise in their liability premiums finished the store off, they closed the doors after 2 years in business.

47 posted on 01/25/2013 4:08:24 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The bigger mistake is that this moron, Joe Biden, has a bully pulpit to serially spew his stupidity across the United States.


48 posted on 01/25/2013 4:31:45 AM PST by Amagi (John "Cry Baby" Boehner is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The patriot blue states can solve this problem by designating every capable and sane male between the ages of 21 and 70 as a member of the state-sponsored militia and arm them according to their circumstance and ability.


49 posted on 01/25/2013 6:19:10 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, if ‘Slow Joe’ says so, then it must be true


50 posted on 01/25/2013 6:22:05 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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