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Fallon vets approve of women serving in direct combat roles
lahontanvalleynews.com ^ | January 24, 2013 | Steve Ranson

Posted on 01/24/2013 9:28:45 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Local military veterans said Thursday they overwhelmingly support lifting the ban to allow women to serve in direct combat roles.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta rescinded a 1994 ruling yesterday to remove the military's ban on women serving in combat, thus opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs after more than 11 years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The plan to integrate women into direct combat position will be implemented as early as May with full implementation slated by 2016.

“American women have been serving in our nation's Armed Forces for decades, and I am grateful for the sacrifices they have made,” emailed Nevada Republican Sen. Dean Heller. “Like their brothers-in-arms, our military women have the right to pursue the opportunity to engage in direct ground combat if that is the path they choose while serving their country.”

Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he is pleased that women will be given the opportunity to serve on the front lines.

"With each generation, women have fought for fairness and equal opportunities," Reid said. "The decision to allow women to serve more extensively in combat roles is welcome news. Women have long served with courage and distinction; we must never forget those who have been injured in battle or have made the ultimate sacrifice to defend our nation.

"This decision will strengthen our Armed Forces and give women the opportunities to serve and lead that they have long deserved."

The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommendation overturns a 1994 rule banning women from being assigned to smaller ground combat units. According to the Pentagon, military services have three years to seek special exceptions if they believe any positions must remain closed to women.

Lifting the ban will create 230,000 more jobs for women in the military. This will be implemented as early as May and fully implemented by 2016.

The ruling will affect the Army and U.S. Marine Corps more than the other services. According to Maj. Dennis Fournier, public affairs officer for the Nevada Army National Guard, no unit will be affected and that includes Fallon's 609th Combat Engineer Company. Fournier said Nevada women have served their country proudly at home and on deployment with aviation, transportation, signal, military police and cavalry units.

For example, two female aviators assigned to Bravo Company, 189th General Support Aviation Company are on their way home after serving a deployment to Afghanistan, while female drivers with the Silver State's 593rd Transportation Company have either been driving armored vehicles or providing security on convoys into Kabul.

The Sixth Region president for the Association of the United States Army (AUSA) said she agrees with Panettea. Charley Smith is a retired lieutenant colonel who served in the Army and Nevada Army National Guard. She also taught ROTC at the University of Nevada, Reno.

“I believe that women can do the job as well as men given the fact that they put their mind to it,” Smith said. “They are strong and capable and have been handling war for many years.”

Smith said the military is a place for men and women to work together to ensure America's security and safety.

“There should be no problem with women serving in the same units with men,” Smith added.

Kieran Kalt, who served in the Nevada Army National Guard as a lieutenant in the signal battalion, said women have been just as prepared as their male counterparts.

“I can also see them going for advancement and promotion,” she said about the new opportunities.

Kalt said Panetta's decision is positive because women have the attributes to fight in combat.

Naval Air Station Fallon Public Affairs Officer Zip Upham said the recommendation doesn't affect the base or the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center because female pilots, for example, have been flying the F/A-18 Super Hornets in combat situations. He deferred any comment to the Department of Defense regarding women being able to join elite groups such as the SEALs.

Linda Kay Neal, who served 20 years in the Navy, was assigned to a special boat unit that dropped off and picked up SEALs during their missions.

“If you guys can put your life on the line, why can't we,” she said.

Navy veterans N.J. Van Riper and Cliff Farsje echoed Neal's assessment.

“I think it's fair,” Van Riper said. “It's up to them, their choice, but they should be able to pull their own weight.”

Farsje agreed.

“They should be able to protect our country as much as a man,” he added.

Dick Hurstak retired from the Marine Corps as a gunnery sergeant and said he has no problem with Panetta's decision.

“The way I feel about,” he said, “is if they go through the same boot camp as men, I would be satisfied.”

He said women receive the same infantry training as the men.

“The standards should be the same, except they should look at the strength requirement,” Hurstak said.

Retired Navy Seabee Claude Evans doesn't agree with the decision to allow women into direct combat roles.

“They are not equipped to do what is required no matter how hard they try,” he said. “There are limitations to what they can do.”


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1 posted on 01/24/2013 9:28:51 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So, they only talked to vets that agreed with Panetta I guess


2 posted on 01/24/2013 9:33:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Go for it. As long a the women can meet all the physical requirements as the men ... go for it. No shortcuts, no special treatment. As many push-ups, set-ups, etc. As many miles with an 80 lb. pack as the men. Then go for it. Otherwise ... NO.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 9:35:56 PM PST by doc1019
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That's the thing. Make it through BUD/S, and the real BUD/S and not some diluted version of the real thing. If a lady can make it through the training - the same exact training, doing the same exact things - then that is not a problem. What is a problem is that there will most probably be two different types of BUD/S, with the one for ladies being a softer version of the real thing. The issue with that is in combat the scenarios experienced will not come in 'regular and diet' versions. The enemy will not engage in full beer and light beer modes. The urgency of the mission will not be split into critical and peripheral requirements. The SEALS are one of the most premier Tier 2 armed forces in the US military (I am assuming that there will be no women in Tier 1 units like CAG and DEVGRU), and the individuals in the unit have to form a team that delivers first time every time.

Currently every single man you will find in SEAL teams 1-5, teams 7 and 8, and team 10 are ultimate professionals. Whether the man is short or tall, black, white, Filipino-American, whatever, they can be counted on doing the job and they went through the same exact BUD/S and other training requirements. If women want to join, then they would need to go through the SAME requirements. Anything else is a weak link.

There cannot be a weak link.

4 posted on 01/24/2013 9:38:57 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Where’s the emetic warning Joe ?


5 posted on 01/24/2013 9:39:16 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Should the "Chicago Mechanic" come out of retirement ?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I do believe the world has gone certifiably insane.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 9:40:45 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: doc1019

As long as they have to sign on for Selective Service like the dudes as well. What about that, libs? Is that going to be a requirement? Are they going to be drafted if needs be?


7 posted on 01/24/2013 9:42:52 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Go for it. As long a the women can meet all the physical requirements as the men ... go for it. No shortcuts, no special treatment. As many push-ups, set-ups, ect. As many miles with an 80 lb. pack as the men. Then go for it. Otherwise ... NO.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 9:51:05 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019

>>As long a the women can meet all the physical requirements as the men ... go for it. No shortcuts, no special treatment. As many push-ups, set-ups, etc. As many miles with an 80 lb. pack as the men. <<

And, starting tomorrow, I expect women to have to sign up for the Draft.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 9:59:54 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: doc1019

Yep! Can you just see one of them trying to carry a male soldier on their backs out of a dangerous situation?


10 posted on 01/24/2013 10:04:53 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

As a former police officer, I have meant one or two that could. LOL!


11 posted on 01/24/2013 10:08:51 PM PST by doc1019
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To: philetus; doc1019
I do believe the world has gone certifiably insane.

If they are going to do this, being the libertarian I am, I like Doc's idea, make the requirements the same for all. However, the realist in me says this will weaken us even further. We've fallen down the rabbit hole into Bizarroworld. Seeing our country die like this (I'm not saying this is the issue killing us, but I'm just observing generally), sometimes it would have been more merciful to go toe to toe with the USSR in a full atomic exchange and hit the reset button to separate the wheat from the chaff. I'm not overtly religious but I do believe in God and maybe that would have been the metaphor of Him cleansing the world by fire, I'm just bummed, that's all, at seeing idiots like Feinstein, Chuckie Shumer, Leon Panetta, Hussein, Erich Holder and so on taking our freedoms away but I'm more angry at the sheeple who voted for them.

I got my lunch in the lunchroom at work and theyh ad the TV on to "The Talk" where Sarah Gilbert was applauding this and saying, "I'm a grown woman" and beating her chest like General Urko of "The Planet of the Apes" saying how much of a victory it is and she can take anything on. I'd like to take a time travelling DeLorean and take her to 1968 and kick her out in the middle of Khe Sahn or the Tet Offensive and let her try to take on the VC and NVA, I bet "Rambelle" would change her tune. Better yet, to 1944, Normandy. I said under breath, "be careful what you wish for, you'll get it" and just shook my head.

I dunno if we will live to see it or not, but somewhere, somehow, there will be some people who will get so frustrated and angry, they will pull a "falling down" and spank these progressives and freedom takers like a "four year old in K-Mart."

Well, time for the Land of Nod, got work tomorrow, millions on welfare depend on my poor, middle aged self. B-P

All, thanx for letting me blow off some steam. There are days, "I don't want to live on this planet anymore," don't worry, it's not about suicide I would seek but more like "Galt's Gulch."
12 posted on 01/24/2013 10:14:23 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: doc1019

***** “As a former police officer, I have meant one or two that could. LOL!” ******

Police Officer = “Revenue Enhancement Agent” (now that really qualifies your opinion)

I think I will believe your bilge when a woman completes BUDS and then is accepted by a team, gets deployed and completes a mission.

Your delusion is most likely temporary ... Have a doughnut and call me in the morning.

TT


13 posted on 01/24/2013 10:22:23 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: TexasTransplant

Notice the LOL at the end of my comment. Wow, love those that read all that is said. As for being delusional ... 28 years and retired, I think I know a thing or two about combative women ... again LOL! And screw you.

As for bilge ... I said the same thing you said. As long as a women can complete BUDS under the same requirements as the men, then qualify her.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 10:35:10 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“He said women receive the same infantry training as the men. “

LOL my cuz serves right now at Red Cloud in So Korea and there were countless times he told me the women during basic training had a 95% quit rate. This truly is propaganda...


15 posted on 01/24/2013 10:46:53 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: doc1019

28 years Military here, screw you too... guess we are in complete agreement... on all points.

TT


16 posted on 01/24/2013 10:50:24 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: TexasTransplant

ROFLMAO!


17 posted on 01/24/2013 10:52:04 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Propaganda. Did any of the women in the “special” boats have to jam a knife in some guy’s chest?


18 posted on 01/24/2013 10:58:13 PM PST by Clock King
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Propaganda worthy of Pravda.
Either that or these vets are all idiots.


19 posted on 01/25/2013 1:46:08 AM PST by Post5203 (I bought 6 marines a beer at a bar recently and not one said thanks. I won't do that again.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

All women aren’t petite. If a woman can pass the physical requirements there’d be no problem. I don’t know about now but the fireman’s carry was part of training.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 4:35:52 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Clock King
Propaganda. Did any of the women in the “special” boats have to jam a knife in some guy’s chest?

I've met quite a few that know how to stick a knife in a guy's back!

21 posted on 01/25/2013 5:18:21 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: doc1019

No real man would allow a woman into front line combat, the very idea is absurd. It’s not about if they can do it or not, it’s the morals and principles about it.


22 posted on 01/25/2013 6:09:51 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“The standards should be the same, except they should look at the strength requirement,” Hurstak said.

Sorry Hurstak. NO EXCEPTIONS, NO LOWERING STANDARDS.


23 posted on 01/25/2013 9:17:42 AM PST by huldah1776
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