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Army Removes Crosses, Steeple from Chapel (in Afghanistan)
Fox News & Commentary ^ | January 24, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 01/25/2013 3:16:29 AM PST by Timber Rattler

The U.S. military reportedly ordered soldiers to remove a cross and a steeple from atop a chapel and to board up cross-shaped windows at a remote American forward operating base in Afghanistan.

The removal of Christian symbols from the chapel at Forward Operating Base Orgun-E came after a solider complained — leading American Atheists president David Silverman to send a letter to the Pentagon.

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“The local command in Afghanistan is aware of this chapel and has taken appropriate action to ensure that it is changed into a neutral facility,” said a statement from an Army spokesman at the Pentagon to the NBC.

The base reportedly sent out a memo to soldiers explaining that the crosses had to be removed to bring the chapel into compliance with military rules.

Army Regulation 165-1, 12-3k states:”The chapel environment will be religiously neutral when the facility is not being used for scheduled worship. Portable religious symbols, icons, or statues may be used within a chapel during times of religious worship.”

“Symbols are to be moved or covered when not in use during services. Distinctive religious symbols, such as crosses, crucifixes, the Star of David, Menorah, and other religious symbols will not be affixed or displayed permanently on the chapel interior, exterior, or grounds. Permanent or fixed chapel furnishings, such as the altar, pulpit, lectern, or communion rail will be devoid of distinctive religious symbols.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; army; atheist; usarmy
The de-Christianization of the U.S. military continues...


1 posted on 01/25/2013 3:16:42 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

In Liberal Land, frontline soldiers must pray at a neutral facility buy ‘gay weddings’ are celebrated at stateside military bases and our National Cathedral.

One atheist writes a letter and the US Army surrenders. China is taking notes.


2 posted on 01/25/2013 3:20:26 AM PST by relictele
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To: Timber Rattler

Perhaps Silverman can now go over to Afghan and met personally with the Taliban and tell them of his brave efforts to diminish Christianity - so impressed they will be - maybe they will just keep him around - for good!


3 posted on 01/25/2013 3:21:56 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: relictele

Buy->but


4 posted on 01/25/2013 3:23:19 AM PST by relictele
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To: Timber Rattler
The removal of Christian symbols from the chapel at Forward Operating Base Orgun-E came after a solider complained — leading American Atheists president David Silverman to send a letter to the Pentagon.

I would shun this little rodent and encourage all decent soldiers to avoid him in all respects except for formal, professional interactions. Those who oppose freedom for others should pay a steep price (and, yes, that is a Christian perspective - Jesus gave many commands, and it is irreverent to ignore the rest of His words and just focus on turning the other cheek and not judging).

5 posted on 01/25/2013 3:28:42 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: Timber Rattler

The total assault upon Western Civilization as expressed in the United States is approaching totality. No Christian religion, women in combat, no Sunday laws, the elevation of members of The Third World over Westerners, discrimination against Western males in education and government employment, media portraying Third World members and women to the exclusion of Euroamerican males, physical assaults by young Third World males against Euroamericans.


6 posted on 01/25/2013 3:42:50 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

“No Christian religion, women in combat, no Sunday laws, the elevation of members of The Third World over Westerners, discrimination against Western males in education and government employment, media portraying Third World members and women to the exclusion of Euroamerican males, physical assaults by young Third World males against Euroamericans.”

Anyone still think “our” military is fighting for “us”? They are working towards an agenda, and we’re supposed to be upset that the other side’s agenda has more dedicated adherents. Radical leftists are as frightening as readical Muslims; they’ve even killed more people.


7 posted on 01/25/2013 3:54:48 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Timber Rattler; xzins

The United States has lost the war in Afghanistan.

The US Military has effectively joined the Taliban.

We should have left ten years ago.

This is not your forefather’s America. I no longer recognize this country.


8 posted on 01/25/2013 3:57:20 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Anyone still think the military would not fire on US citizens?


9 posted on 01/25/2013 4:02:33 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Timber Rattler
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
10 posted on 01/25/2013 4:03:15 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: Timber Rattler

An order I woul dnot obey!


11 posted on 01/25/2013 4:03:41 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Yes I do think the majority of the boots would not fire on the American Citizen.

Do I think the high command would issue the command to fire on the Ameircan Citizen? Yes, I do think the high command would issue the command and the boots would frag their ass....in very short order.


12 posted on 01/25/2013 4:05:45 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: eartick

Ditto. MOST of our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines would not follow this pathetic ‘Not Commander in Chief’ whether or not their Military leaders did in issuing that command.


13 posted on 01/25/2013 4:13:42 AM PST by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Timber Rattler

“... leading American Atheists president David Silverman...”

THE ENEMY WITHIN.


14 posted on 01/25/2013 4:28:30 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: originalbuckeye
Problem is that many, if not most, of the Conservatives in the military have cycled out over the past four or five years, and have been replaced with flaming liberals who have taken advantage of the lower standards and simply joined because they were unemployed, needed a pay check, and wanted the perks.

A very close friend of mine is a junior Army officer who came up the hard way through the enlisted Infantry ranks and did his time in the sand box. He says that his battalion is infested with Rats, from the commander on down, and that the worst of the lot are his incompetent women colleagues, who rose to their current status because of their gender and nothing more. He told me last night now that women are going to be allowed into the combat arms, he's now at peace with his decision to leave the infantry and go into logistics. He also predicts that we're going to get our arses kicked in the next big general land war we have to fight in the future, because of the political correctness running amok in the military.

15 posted on 01/25/2013 4:41:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Permanent or fixed chapel furnishings, such as the altar, pulpit, lectern, or communion rail will be devoid of distinctive religious symbols.”

Communion rail...hmmm...s’pose the Army’ll make them remove it? Y’know, since communion is by its definition, and the communion rail is by its design, solely for Christian worship? Nahhhh, COULDN’T happen.


16 posted on 01/25/2013 5:14:37 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Timber Rattler

Can anyone explain why we are sending our kids to this
God forsaken hellhole to get blown to bits? Screw Afghanistan, bring the kids home.


17 posted on 01/25/2013 5:47:42 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Timber Rattler

And so it begins...
USMA calling “right wingers” a threat to the US....
Gay marriage shoved down the throats of military chaplains...
Gun grab....
We are being set up for a complete “re-structuring” of our country, sooner rather than later....
Yes, I’ve had my coffee this AM!


18 posted on 01/25/2013 6:09:11 AM PST by matginzac
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To: kenmcg

Oh, OK...
How you gunna feel about No Africa in a few years?
How about Asia?
When are you going to get excited? When they’re in Canada?
Kind of like some thinking in this country in 1938....


19 posted on 01/25/2013 6:13:56 AM PST by matginzac
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To: carriage_hill

If there is no God then why worry about the shape of windows, Silverman? He is a hate theist.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 6:14:28 AM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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21 posted on 01/25/2013 6:23:11 AM PST by narses
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22 posted on 01/25/2013 6:23:47 AM PST by narses
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To: Erik Latranyi
Anyone still think the military would not fire on US citizens?

Bingo. The good and those with a conscience are being driven out of the military... leaving only those obedient to the State... those who would do anything the State dictates.

23 posted on 01/25/2013 6:27:59 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Flick Lives
Bingo. The good and those with a conscience are being driven out of the military... leaving only those obedient to the State... those who would do anything the State dictates.

Remember the recent FBI report about the threat of gangs inside our military and how prevalent they have become?

Gang Activity in the US Military

These FReepers who view our military through a lens of nostalgia are only fooling themselves. Good people are becoming the minority everywhere.

24 posted on 01/25/2013 6:33:00 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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25 posted on 01/25/2013 6:44:42 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Timber Rattler

Okay folks, take a deep breath and read the military regulations.

I’ve never been in the military, but have a lot of experience worshiping in base chapels: All Saints, Salina, KS bought the old Schilling Air Force Base chapel and despite having been used as a protestant church since the base closed, it still fit the military regs: there were no crosses on the outside; the cross on the inside could be covered with a curtain; the stained glass windows were aniconic enough to make a Sunni happy. The Normandy Chapel on Fort Riley has no crosses fixed to the building and stained glass windows adorned with unit emblems and scenes stylized scenes of non-combat situations during the liberation of France in WWII.

If the troops want to worship in a proper Christian church while in theater, I’m sure they will all be welcomed at Orthodox church in Kandahar. Built by the Romanian part of the NATO contingent, it’s the only Christian church in the whole country.


26 posted on 01/25/2013 6:46:24 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Timber Rattler

Just wait until the homosexuals make their presence known in the military and make quota demands like our precious negros.


27 posted on 01/25/2013 8:24:52 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: relictele

There’s not much fun or anything positive in a FOB so this guy took a symbol of faith because why again? it’s hurting him personally? Good Lord help us.


28 posted on 01/25/2013 8:29:22 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: relictele

There’s not much fun or anything positive in a FOB so this guy took a symbol of faith because why again? it’s hurting him personally? Good Lord help us.


29 posted on 01/25/2013 8:29:58 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Timber Rattler
Stupid f*cking Dhimmies!

It's no wonder we have lost the war in Afghanistan and are losing the wider war against the Muslim Caliphate. We don't have the balls to stand up for our own culture or what is right. We cave in to every wicked thing and our "leaders" are bereft of vision or purpose.

Political Correctness has gelded us. It is now slowly killing us.

30 posted on 01/25/2013 8:55:29 AM PST by Gritty (This is a total war. One side is going to win. One side is going to lose. - Newt Gingrich)
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To: matginzac

‘How you gunna feel about No Africa in a few years?
How about Asia?
When are you going to get excited? When they’re in Canada?
Kind of like some thinking in this country in 1938....”

Yes we heard the same argument in Viet Nam, remember the domino theory. It’s high time we stop being policeman of the world. The Brits and the French are more involved in Africa. Look what our African politics has brought us a commie state in South Africa and Zimbabwe? The Canadians can take care of their business and the Japanese are well suited to defend themselves. How about we protect our own borders? and metro areas which are loaded with America haters.


31 posted on 01/25/2013 10:10:44 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: matginzac

‘How you gunna feel about No Africa in a few years?
How about Asia?
When are you going to get excited? When they’re in Canada?
Kind of like some thinking in this country in 1938....”

Yes we heard the same argument in Viet Nam, remember the domino theory. It’s high time we stop being policeman of the world. The Brits and the French are more involved in Africa. Look what our African politics has brought us a commie state in South Africa and Zimbabwe? The Canadians can take care of their business and the Japanese are well suited to defend themselves. How about we protect our own borders? and metro areas which are loaded with America haters. As we send 16 Jet fighter planes to Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood for future action against are Israeli allies.


32 posted on 01/25/2013 10:13:29 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Ray76

Proof that a single grain of sand can bring a functioning piece of modern machinery, to a complete stop. A-hole atheist just can’t leave the rest of us alone. Miserable scum.


33 posted on 01/25/2013 11:59:57 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: kenmcg

I do agree with you assessment of the border and immigration but the rest of your premise is, in my opinion, bull shit. And isolationist bull shit at that.
We have been a global economy as well as a global concern since the inception of our nation. Can’t put a bubble up or stick our heads in the sand or yell LALALALA with our fingers in our ears. It’s a chicken shit way to operate and will come back to bite us when Canada goes Sharia law.
Grow up, suck it up, make the tough decisions, stick your neck out, attempt to make a difference and stop hiding behind isolationism...it’s cowardly.


34 posted on 01/25/2013 8:00:07 PM PST by matginzac
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To: matginzac

“Grow up, suck it up, make the tough decisions, stick your neck out, attempt to make a difference and stop hiding behind isolationism...it’s cowardly.”

You’re real brave with other people’s kids. The problem is for the last eight years and the four years in the future our involvement in world affairs has been a disaster. In Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11 our embassy was unprotected even after cries for help. The Arab Spring which we backed has been a disaster, they took down Mubarek, put in Morsi, who immediately became a dictator and what do we do; send 200 F-16’s and 200 tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood who has vowed the destruction of Israel. We went into Iraq for WMD and found none, because we had an inefficient CIA, we fought and died there for what? Notice the oil contracts went to China. Sharia Law? We already have lib justices in this country ruling in favor of Sharia. We have more enemies at home in the USA than abroad. Each day we lose a little more freedom while electing bureaucrat career politicians, who think nothing of sending other people’s kids off to war. And I’ll put my record up serving this country to yours anytime big motuh!


35 posted on 01/26/2013 5:23:58 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: kenmcg

Big motuh, huh? Well!!!
The problem you have is not our involvement in international affairs, it’s the crap lousy way the last admins since freakin’ Roosevelt have prosecuted any conflict we have been engaged in...sheesh!
And I’d be careful assuming anything about ANYONE on an Internet forum.
My response was based purely on your “stick the head in the sand” attitude
toward international affairs...I smell an isolationist Paul-bot....


36 posted on 01/26/2013 9:58:19 AM PST by matginzac
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