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Obama Fires Top General Without Even a Phone Call
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Posted on 01/25/2013 7:53:06 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Obama Fires Top General Without Even a Phone Call Daniel Halper January 25, 2013 10:26 AM

President Barack Obama fired General James Mattis, the head of Central Command, without even calling the general to let him know he was being replaced.

"I am told that General Mattis was travelling and in a meeting when an aide passed him a note telling him that the Pentagon had announced his replacement as head of Central Command. It was news to him -- he hadn't received a phone call or a heads-up from anyone at the Pentagon or the White House," Thomas E. Ricks reports.

In another post, Ricks says Mattis was fired because:

Pentagon insiders say that he rubbed civilian officials the wrong way -- not because he went all "mad dog," which is his public image, and the view at the White House, but rather because he pushed the civilians so hard on considering the second- and third-order consequences of military action against Iran. Some of those questions apparently were uncomfortable. Like, what do you do with Iran once the nuclear issue is resolved and it remains a foe? What do you do if Iran then develops conventional capabilities that could make it hazardous for U.S. Navy ships to operate in the Persian Gulf? He kept saying, "And then what?"

There is also a belief that Mattis and Obama differed on Iran. "A particular point of disagreement was what to do about mischief Iran is exporting to other countries. Mattis is indeed more hawkish on this than the White House was," writes Ricks in yet another post.

"National Security Advisor Tom Donilon in particular was irked by Mattis's insistence on being heard. I cringe when I hear about civilians shutting down strategic discussions. That is exactly what the Bush administration did in late 2002 when generals persisted in questioning whether it was wise to invade Iraq. That led to what some might call a fiasco."


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1 posted on 01/25/2013 7:53:11 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

3 down, how many more to go?


2 posted on 01/25/2013 7:56:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Sub-Driver

Probably refused to fire on Americans...


3 posted on 01/25/2013 7:56:17 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Mattis was the last of our fighting generals.


4 posted on 01/25/2013 7:57:09 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

So all we have left is political officers (aka Timm Curry in the Hunt for Red October).


5 posted on 01/25/2013 8:00:47 AM PST by scbison
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To: Sub-Driver
Pentagon insiders say that he rubbed civilian officials the wrong way -- not because he went all "mad dog," which is his public image, and the view at the White House, but rather because he pushed the civilians so hard on considering the second- and third-order consequences of military action against Iran.

Wow, he reached the rank of general with out learning you don’t challenge Democrats with tough questions.

6 posted on 01/25/2013 8:01:25 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Kozak
Probably refused to fire on Americans...

That was my very first thought.

7 posted on 01/25/2013 8:01:25 AM PST by Obadiah (America is Babylon)
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To: Sub-Driver
This happened because his higher commanders are Obama “butt boys”
8 posted on 01/25/2013 8:01:53 AM PST by texican01
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To: Sub-Driver

“A particular point of disagreement was what to do about mischief Iran is exporting to other countries.”

“Mischief”... Is that what we are calling Iran’s hand in terrorism these days?


9 posted on 01/25/2013 8:03:19 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Sub-Driver

Go figure....uneducated, biased and naive Obama Administration civilians get pissed because he pushed them to actually work and work out [gasp] options!


10 posted on 01/25/2013 8:04:00 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sub-Driver

Chess is apparently beyond the capabilities of the administration.


11 posted on 01/25/2013 8:04:22 AM PST by Ol' Sox (Those who advocate should be first in line to experience the consequences of their convictions.)
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To: Sub-Driver

If you don’t bow down and worship the boss, you’re out.


12 posted on 01/25/2013 8:06:08 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Timber Rattler
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."

http://www.businessinsider.com/general-maddog-mattiss-best-quotes-2013-1

13 posted on 01/25/2013 8:07:16 AM PST by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: Kozak
Probably refused to fire on Americans...

That is the new litmus test we're told.

Little Barry is such a wussie!

Always seeking respect but never giving any.

I can just hear Obama, "Fire him, I've got a tee-time in 20."

14 posted on 01/25/2013 8:08:00 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Sub-Driver

15 posted on 01/25/2013 8:08:24 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Obadiah

Me three.


16 posted on 01/25/2013 8:09:15 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Puppage

looks like job opening for another boot licker


17 posted on 01/25/2013 8:10:35 AM PST by molson209
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To: Sub-Driver
There is also a belief that Mattis and Obama differed on Iran.

What exactly is Obama's view of Iran? As a matter of fact can anyone define America's policy regarding Iran at any time since 1981? We sold them weapons for hostages, armed Saddam Hussein so he could slaughter them, buy their oil (oil for food scam), sell them technology (through third party countries), threaten them, betray the people of Iran when they try to rise up, promise to negotiate, play footsie in the UN, give them a Predator drone and get really serious with more sanctions. I don't know how anyone could disagree about Iran since no one has a position on Iran.

18 posted on 01/25/2013 8:10:35 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: TexasCajun

No, it would be “I’ve got a tee time in twenuh.”


19 posted on 01/25/2013 8:11:25 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Sub-Driver

“...fired..., without even calling the general to let him know he was being replaced.”

I’d say that was dishonorable, contrary to good order and discipline, and undermines cohesion.

“...he pushed the civilians so hard on considering the second- and third-order consequences of military action against Iran.”

In many cases, the consequences of action, military or not, do not receive enough attention. But that seems to be the liberal way of thinking.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 8:12:53 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Getting rid of the warrior mentality and those stalwarts that would defend the constitution is all about bringing down the country. The mad marxist continues his destruction and any general who he views as a potential threat to his power is chopped off at the knees. WE are in desperate need of 3 good generals to step forward and relieve BO, and the head of the other 2 branches of govt. Bo, his bitch and his cronies to be immediately escorted to gitmo for indefinite confinement.


21 posted on 01/25/2013 8:13:25 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Sub-Driver

yeah, semper fi, Marine!

(WWII Marines know what semper fi really means; clue; not an abbreviation for semper fidelis!)

even the high brass may be catching on...soon???

Semper Watching!
*****


22 posted on 01/25/2013 8:16:33 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Sub-Driver
What I should have done was liquidate all the high ranking officers, as Stalin did!


23 posted on 01/25/2013 8:18:25 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Neoliberalnot

This kinda reminds me of the stuff Stalin did - just before WWII.


24 posted on 01/25/2013 8:19:46 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I think our only chance to go back to a constitutional govt. is for our military to uphold their oath to defend and protect the constitution by ejecting anyone from govt who has violated the constitution. Followed immediately by a new election.


25 posted on 01/25/2013 8:20:55 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: Puppage

My son tried to join the army. after a year of odd request he finally got them everything they wanted... then they LOST all his records. they are not looking for patriots. what r they lookibg for??


26 posted on 01/25/2013 8:23:58 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: bigtoona

That is exactly what needs to happen.


27 posted on 01/25/2013 8:24:16 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Kozak

That’s my guess.


28 posted on 01/25/2013 8:25:16 AM PST by Venturer
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To: bigtoona

I don’t know, but I would bet, that many Marines are loyal to General Mattis.


29 posted on 01/25/2013 8:25:33 AM PST by EEGator
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To: cuban leaf

And, it is only going to get much worse. Bo has great plans for his race, his homosexuals, his left-wing killers, his gangsters, and his unions. None of his plans involve patriots who are viewed as his enemies.


30 posted on 01/25/2013 8:28:08 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Ol' Sox
Chess is apparently beyond the capabilities of the administration.

Except when it comes to vindictive politics inspired by childish tantrums.

31 posted on 01/25/2013 8:29:48 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: EEGator
I don’t know, but I would bet, that many Marines are loyal to General Mattis.

There are also plenty who are still furious with him for his failure to end the disgraceful Haditha prosecutions.

32 posted on 01/25/2013 8:33:00 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Nachum; Saoirise

Ping


33 posted on 01/25/2013 8:34:32 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: bigtoona
I would support a coup that restored constitutional government. Unfortunately there are few (or none) in the general staff that would fulfill their oath.

General James Mattoon Scott: Where are you, now that we need you?

34 posted on 01/25/2013 8:34:55 AM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Sub-Driver

Taken in a very broad context firing a general is a serious error.

While alive, the general and his fired former brothers in arms are free to plot the coup d’état


35 posted on 01/25/2013 8:35:29 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: KrisKrinkle
In many cases, the consequences of action, military or not, do not receive enough attention. But that seems to be the liberal way of thinking.

Ultra-liberalism is only a temporary facade for Obama. That is why he is going after guns. When he holds all the cards after consolidating his power, he will govern ultra-ultra hard right . . . Stalin style.

36 posted on 01/25/2013 8:36:18 AM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: Kozak

Yeh, you beat me too it. He answered the survey wrong.

Just remember Stalin got rid of his generals also.


37 posted on 01/25/2013 8:38:22 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I wonder if the good General has anything he can reveal to the American people? Maybe he will have a bone to pick with someone in the administration.


38 posted on 01/25/2013 8:39:20 AM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: Sub-Driver

BO: “I don’t always fire my top generals, but when I do I use a Post-It note....” Stay classy, my friend.


39 posted on 01/25/2013 8:42:14 AM PST by Donkey Odious ( Adapt, improvise, and overcome - now a motto for us all.)
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To: gunnyg; All

I think this is the guy who Obama has slated to replace Mattis. (Replacing the Marines with the Army.) Anyone know anything about him?

General Lloyd Austin, United States Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Austin

“On 1 September 2010 he became Commanding General of US forces Iraq at a ceremony at the al-Faw palace in Bagdad, Iraq after the US combat missions ended...”

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2012/12/marine-james-mattis-lloyd-austin-centcom-120612w/


40 posted on 01/25/2013 8:44:21 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: Lancey Howard

True, but do you think he pursued that on his own? I think they’ll dislike their new commanding Generals more so.


41 posted on 01/25/2013 8:44:49 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Sub-Driver

The mainstream news media is so carefully avoiding this story it’s likely they were directed by the White House to ignore it. Since last year it seems like there is an effort to decapitate the U.S. military.


42 posted on 01/25/2013 8:45:50 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Sub-Driver

It seems to me that Obama is taking his cues from his Ottoman empire building buddy Recep Tayyip Erdogan. I wonder when he will jail all of them as did Erdogan?


43 posted on 01/25/2013 8:52:12 AM PST by Lake Living
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To: Donnafrflorida
...they are not looking for patriots. what r they looking for??

Faggots and lesbians who pretend they have the same abilities as real warriors.

44 posted on 01/25/2013 8:59:35 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: 444Flyer
Anyone know anything about him?

He obviously passed the skin color criteria.

45 posted on 01/25/2013 9:02:21 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Mathis should refuse to leave his post until Obama comes there personally to relieve him of command in PERSON, and then right before Obama enters the building make a public announcement or hold a press conference that he is resigning in disgust/protest over the Obama administration.

Also if he is the general that recently said something about the “fire on the civilians” litmus test he should make that public as well.


46 posted on 01/25/2013 9:26:26 AM PST by GraceG
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To: molson209

Paving the way for soon-to-be female generals. The principal reasoning behind women in combat is so that they get a fair shake at reaching flag rank, something that would be otherwise out of reach for someone without combat exposure. (That’s “exposure” as opposed to “experience”; some flag officers got credit for being in a combat zone for a minimal period.) So women will be allowed to get their combat tickets punched, a reprise of the Vietnam fraud, so the admin can fast track them to flag rank. It’s not about breeding warriors, it’s about putting stars on female shoulders by any means available. That’s the true equality goal, to hell with battlefield results.


47 posted on 01/25/2013 9:43:35 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, at least team 0bama was nice enough not to put a bullet in his head then call it a suicide..


48 posted on 01/25/2013 9:46:14 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: DPMD

The only thing ‘females on front lines’ will accomplish is a dramatic reduction in female enlistments, which leaves only the gay problem to screw up the military.


49 posted on 01/25/2013 9:49:56 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Puppage

Will we be surprised when he appoints that lesbian General as Chairperson of the Joint Chiefs?

Someone tell me this guy doesn’t have a dictator’s mindset.


50 posted on 01/25/2013 9:55:36 AM PST by EDINVA
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