Posted on 01/25/2013 9:12:50 AM PST by RummyChick
http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_cl.html?a=usct&id=8373
Oh and let’s not forget the Church of Satan guy in Newtown.
There’s more.
If you bother to look.
Just like there a many many many child molesting Priests that have gone through the Bridgeport Diocese
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX2ITHV6k-U
This HD clip from over head has some jewels.
First, Mr. Rosen.
He in various parts of this 10 minute clip. Alone (no scared children with him). He looks to be looking (calmly) for someone or some people to talk to. He seems to be on a cell phone from time to time.
He appears between the black SUVs on the left at the 1:20 mark. The purple jacket and tan pats and grey hair are fairly easy to pick up.
At the 8:30 mark he looks to be on a cell phone at the right side corner of the fire house.
We see him again at the 10:20 mark coming into frame from the top left. Its easy to get distracted at this point since there is a woman serving hor d’oeuvres or something by the door as people enter. She is handed the tray by a woman in firemen bottoms. She even has a bite herself.
For being the hero of the day Mr. Rosen is just simply wandering around the firehouse at this point.
2nd. The re-cycling of people from back to front of firehouse.
People are coming out of the doors in the back in fairly steady stream. Almost none have children with them. Are they parents, teachers, media? Whoever they are they just keep coming out of the doors the go to the front of the building and then....well most take a right turn between the cars and....go back into the building. This seemed to be apparent the first time I saw this video.
Here a specific video analyzing this behavior of the video above. Its a little awkward but the lady here has it nailed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDbOUrhAM0o
Ring around the poesy....
Does it not seem odd that suddenly it’s just status quo to say a mentally disturbed person shoots up a school because they are mentally ill and were not helped?
Does it not seem odd that suddenly it’s just status quo to say a mentally disturbed person shoots up a school because they are mentally ill and were not helped?
Pay attention and try to read better
I said ASSUME those things about Lanza for the purpose of finding an explanation.
ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION.
AMONG MANY
Lanza may have been molested.
He has the signs of it.
There was opportunity. I doubt that Priest stopped molesting boys.
But maybe he wasn’t molested.
But for the SAKE OF ARGUMENT, IF HE WAS, I gave a reason he could have done what he did.
So Lanza in your own opinion “may” have been molested or “maybe” he wasn’t molested. “Maybe” his parents knew he was being molested and they approved of it (your own libelous words) “if” or maybe this …or “if” maybe that …or “if” maybe the others or a combination of; Satanists, paid actors, the entire town of Newtown – all the adults and their children, LEO’s, morticians, the CIA, Project MKUltra, gun control advocates, “Big Banks”, the Pope, the makers of video games. Or maybe it was Free Masons, Queen Elizabeth II, or while we’re at it, aliens and not the ones from Mexico. I mean just for the SAKE OF ARGUMENT, of course. If we are going to assume all the possible possibilities for his actions, then why leave anything off the table. Absent facts that rule out any of those, we can conjecture all day long and just make up any stuff as we go along.
Is that your point?
As for Lanza “having the signs of it” (molestation), he actually had more the signs of being mentally ill, having a severe personality disorder, which while that does not preclude sexual molestation, many mentally ill persons have not been molested and many if not most people who were sexually molested as children do not become severely mentally ill or violent toward others. They are more likely to suffer from depression, even suicidal thoughts and actions, drug and or alcohol abuse than they are to commit acts of mass murder. If what you perhaps are trying to say about Lanza becoming a mass murderer because he was “possibly” molested by a priest, then one should expect that quite a number of all the kids who were molested by Catholic Priests or other pedophiles would act out similarly. Many of the prepubescent boys that Jerry Sandusky molested will carry the scars of that abuse for the rest of their lives but at least so far, none of them have committed acts of mass murder.
OTOH, my ex husband, after his father died, was molested as a pre-teen by a male family “friend” and yes, it definitely had a negative effect on him, his self esteem and probably contributed to the difficulties in our marriage and to his alcoholism (although he’s been sober for well over years now). But was he violent? No, in fact quite the opposite, he was very passive and hated any form of violence or any type of confrontation. I am very close to a family with three now adult children. The older sibling is bipolar, an IMO a true sociopath and it has recently come to light that she sexually molested her younger siblings when they were children. Her younger siblings, despite the horrific things that happened to them at the hands of their older mentally ill sister, are well adjusted and responsible adults and very loving parents to their own children. The male sibling, while he harbors some understandable anger toward his sister and he along with his younger sister recently chose to cut off all contact with her, is a very successful businessman and a great husband and father, a very decent stand up guy and very conservative BTW.
My point is that you are and some others are promoting pure conjecture and baseless and often debunked conspiracy theories on these threads. Whether you realize it or not, you are actually helping the opposition of Conservative values and of 2nd Amendment Rights by promoting this garbage. By doing so, rather than thinking rationally, you are giving ammunition to the opposition to paint all conservatives as paranoid conspiracy minded wack jobs.
While I understand your mistrust of big government, and I mistrust it too FWIW, the simplest explanation and most plausible explanation was that Lanza and Holmes were both deeply mentally ill persons who acted alone to commit terrible acts, that some in the government would use these rare and anomalous acts to further gun control and other erosions of Constitutional Rights is more along the lines of “Let no good crisis go to waste”, rather than some sort of vast conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of people, all working together in some highly complex scheme that defies all logic.
Pay attention and try to read better
I said ASSUME those things about Lanza for the purpose of finding an explanation.
ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION.
AMONG MANY
Lanza may have been molested.
He has the signs of it.
There was opportunity. I doubt that Priest stopped molesting boys.
But maybe he wasn’t molested.
But for the SAKE OF ARGUMENT, IF HE WAS, I gave a reason he could have done what he did.
So Lanza in your own opinion “may” have been molested or “maybe” he wasn’t molested. “Maybe” his parents knew he was being molested and they approved of it (your own libelous words) “if” or maybe this …or “if” maybe that …or “if” maybe the others or a combination of; Satanists, paid actors, the entire town of Newtown – all the adults and their children, LEO’s, morticians, the CIA, Project MKUltra, gun control advocates, “Big Banks”, the Pope, the makers of video games. Or maybe it was Free Masons, Queen Elizabeth II, or while we’re at it, aliens and not the ones from Mexico. I mean just for the SAKE OF ARGUMENT, of course. If we are going to assume all the possible possibilities for his actions, then why leave anything off the table. Absent facts that rule out any of those, we can conjecture all day long and just make up any stuff as we go along.
Is that your point?
As for Lanza “having the signs of it” (molestation), he actually had more the signs of being mentally ill, having a severe personality disorder, which while that does not preclude sexual molestation, many mentally ill persons have not been molested and many if not most people who were sexually molested as children do not become severely mentally ill or violent toward others. They are more likely to suffer from depression, even suicidal thoughts and actions, drug and or alcohol abuse than they are to commit acts of mass murder. If what you perhaps are trying to say about Lanza becoming a mass murderer because he was “possibly” molested by a priest, then one should expect that quite a number of all the kids who were molested by Catholic Priests or other pedophiles would act out similarly. Many of the prepubescent boys that Jerry Sandusky molested will carry the scars of that abuse for the rest of their lives but at least so far, none of them have committed acts of mass murder.
OTOH, my ex husband, after his father died, was molested as a pre-teen by a male family “friend” and yes, it definitely had a negative effect on him, his self esteem and probably contributed to the difficulties in our marriage and to his alcoholism (although he’s been sober for well over years now). But was he violent? No, in fact quite the opposite, he was very passive and hated any form of violence or any type of confrontation. I am very close to a family with three now adult children. The older sibling is bipolar, an IMO a true sociopath and it has recently come to light that she sexually molested her younger siblings when they were children. Her younger siblings, despite the horrific things that happened to them at the hands of their older mentally ill sister, are well adjusted and responsible adults and very loving parents to their own children. The male sibling, while he harbors some understandable anger toward his sister and he along with his younger sister recently chose to cut off all contact with her, is a very successful businessman and a great husband and father, a very decent stand up guy and very conservative BTW.
My point is that you are and some others are promoting pure conjecture and baseless and often debunked conspiracy theories on these threads. Whether you realize it or not, you are actually helping the opposition of Conservative values and of 2nd Amendment Rights by promoting this garbage. By doing so, rather than thinking rationally, you are giving ammunition to the opposition to paint all conservatives as paranoid conspiracy minded wack jobs.
While I understand your mistrust of big government, and I mistrust it too FWIW, the simplest explanation and most plausible explanation was that Lanza and Holmes were both deeply mentally ill persons who acted alone to commit terrible acts, that some in the government would use these rare and anomalous acts to further gun control and other erosions of Constitutional Rights is more along the lines of “Let no good crisis go to waste”, rather than some sort of vast conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of people, all working together in some highly complex scheme that defies all logic.
Really? I’m not doing adequate research?
You have claimed that Newtown CT was a big hub, a big center of Satanists activity, presumably violent, child sacrificing, bloodletting and sacrificing cults, yet you provide links to articles about a few local Wiccans. FWIW, there are Wiccans all over, including here in very conservative and religious areas like Lancaster county PA.
I realize that for many Christians, the difference between Satanism and Wicca; it is a distinction without a difference, that according to some, any religion other than a TRUVE “Christian” religion is Satanic in nature including Buddhism and Hinduism, Mormonism, even for a few, even Catholicism, etc. but understand that these, IMO silly new age pagan religions, while they may be according to main stream Christianity, Satanic, most Wiccans are in reality are pretty harmless in as far as their interactions with others. Wiccans, and yes, I know a few and I think they are not only silly in what they believe and also what they think they understand about the history of pre-Christian pagan early European religions, are pretty much harmless. In fact a big part of their “religion”, what they believe in is tolerance of others believes and of kindness toward others as they believe that purposely doing harm to others will come back to them tenfold.
Wiccans are not Satanists.
I love these conspiracy theorists and their distrust of big government and big media but who spend all their time attacking little government and little media, the local police, the little newspapers, the local officials, the little old guy who helps 8 children who have run to his house for safety after watching their teacher gunned down, the father who loses it in front of the cameras, and all the other little people who were there that day.
I get the mistrust of big government and a mistrust of big media, I have mistrust of them to some extent too, but what I don’t understand is how some people here who claim to be Conservatives and rational thinking people who also latch on to “alternative” media sources, i.e. the new age supernatural, ghost hunting, holistic healing sites, natural foods and remedy sites and anti-science, anti-business and anti-capitalism sites and conspiracy sites that not only tout the Sandy Hook conspiracies but also wacky 9-11 conspiracies and who are more often than not also closely allied with OWS and Anonymous type movements and sites that are also anti-“Zionist”, i.e. anti- Semitic, anti-Israel and for the most part, just plain crazy. I’ve pointed out the sources of some of the links posted here but they often fall on deaf ears because it would seem that for at least some folks, proving that there is a “conspiracy” is more important to them than the actual source and agenda of those very same conspiracy theories to which they link.
And I love the arm chair armature psychologist and psychiatrists who watch a few You Tube video made by wack jobs and make an armchair diagnosis of how a grieving parent is supposed to act or not act or how a as you said, “the little old guy who helped some kids” is “supposed” to “act”. I love how some people equate a kid sucking on her fingers who’s older sister was later murdered at Sandy Hook as being a sign of the Devil and proof that her sister is still alive, that some old guy in a random photo of a murdered teacher somehow proves that a Demonic Satanic cult was at play along with the CIA, big banks, the government, paid actors, etc.
Occam's razor - is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.
It is much more believable that a severely deranged and mentally ill person who should have gotten treatment or involuntarily committed, didn’t and that he took out his deranged rage for no apparent reason that any reasonable person could ever begin to understand or conceive of other than he was just plain crazy and deranged. That the current administration and the MSM would take advantage of this tragedy and use it to push emotional buttons to further their agenda is not unbelievable at all but positing that there is a vast and highly complicated conspiracy at play, one involving hundreds if not thousands of people all acting in perfect consort and secrecy to erode 2nd Amendment Rights and cover up a bank scandal that hadn’t even happened yet, involving pedophile priests and CIA agents and supposed Satanists and having been put into motion at least 20 years ago is not.
“Really? I’m not doing adequate research? “
Yes, that right.
You don’t
You come on here making godawful long winded posts that bore me to tears that I can’t even bother to read because they start out with info that shows you haven’t done the research
LIKE:
No info that Lanza attended a church or A school
No info that the area was filled with a history of child molesting Priests
And you totally misdirect on my posts like claiming I go around agreeing with Sorcha Faal that the father of Holmes was set to testify before Congress on Libor - when in fact I try to people who is behind that rumor.
Faal has a latest out about banks withdrawing 114 billion out of America which did happen. And then goes on a long winded tale from a Russian source.
I am not going to go line by line through your posts.
I am not interested in a long winded baggage from someone who doesn’t do the research.
As for child molestation- bury your head in the sand.
I do believe that there is a Vatican Child MOlesting Ring and they cover it up. Egan already said he didn’t think it was a problem to have known Child Molestors around little children.
I do believe in The Franklin Cover Up
And I do believe that there is a connection between Penn State and The Franklin Cover Up
And I do believe it is VERY possible that Lanza was molested as a boy.
The City of Bridgeport has a ratio of 490 to 1 for sex offenders.
The sad REALITY that people who are molested go on to molest others.
THAT IS A FACT.
Not all do.
But many.
It is possible that Adam has some kind of mental issue COMBINED with molestation.
Not all mentally ill shoot up a school. Something or someone triggered it.
Oh and before that poster comes on here with another long winded diatribe about molestation
Read this.
from the mind of a child molester Priest
Or this
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/long_term_consequences.cfm
Was Castaldo the last child molesting priest in that Diocese??? Of course not. We just heard that Egan’s confidant is a Drug Dealing Transvestite Priest Molester who owns a porn video store. Not to hard to imagine there have been other Priest Molesters in that area since Castaldo.
http://www.tremontsheldon.com/legal-services/sexual-abuse-cases.php#2012
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/docs/bridgeport/history/
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1002114,00.html
So much for the long winded poster’s claim there is nothing to indicate there was a ring of child molesters in the area.
As for the broken window.
The window broken in CNN film - filmed the day after the event - is NOT visible from the running photo in the parking lot. There are 6 panes of glass with the blue transoms over them. Only 5 are visible in the photo.
It appears no one wants any independent inspection. The place is now boarded up with a fence with lots of warning signs around. Area 51 East?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAw1hSIr7LU
And people have had with ‘Where’s Gene’ in the HD video of the Firehouse. For being the hero of the day he is struggling to get attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IlxUNfrv0g
And then there is the ‘recycling’ of people around the fire-house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iziyIEnfIMw
People were just looping around the firehouse.
Given how bad this event went is it seems it would end like the movie Casino for those that in the middle layers that really know the truth.
For those that did not see the movie it ends with ‘anyone who knew anything’ (about the mobs skimming) on their knees in front of pre-dug graves.
<> The place is now boarded up with a fence with lots of warning signs around.<>
And all trespassers will be PROSUCETED as reported here in the Newtown Bee:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2982272/posts
Why are people making such a big deal about Gene Rosen??? His house is right next to the firehouse and even if he is in one of the videos there milling about, this would have been long after the parents picked up the 6 kids at his house.
<>People were just looping around the firehouse.<>
No they’re not. These are parents coming to get their kids. They parked in the rear and as they went to go in the back door there, they are told to go around to the front.
There are 3 kids in that whole 10 minutes of video.
The people are just circling. They come out the back and cycle around to the front cutting through the cars. You could see the general pattern. But the video SHOWS the people doing just that - with no children in tow.
And do not forget the nice stacked water cases inside the firehouse photos With all those cars jamming the road someone got perfect pallets of water brought in and carefully placed them at each column of the doors?
Someone spent some money on fencing the entire area around the school. The ‘debate’ as to the disposition is obvious. It just when to send the wrecking ball in.
Any surveillance video yet?
No...I mean from Aurora....
The rest are inside the firehouse or still at the school or on their way there. So what??? Did you want to see a mosh pit of humanity or an orderly processing of kids being released to their parents.
The people are just circling.
There are some people going in and out that back door and others going around to the front where they are probably told to. They were releasing the kids to the parents orderly one class at a time. I'll bet that firehouse holds a lot of people.
And do not forget the nice stacked water cases inside the firehouse photos
Wow -- water in a firehouse -- who woulda thunk???
Any surveillance video yet?
I've seen dozens of reports of horrific shootings in public places and have yet to have the police release surveillance photos of it, autopsies, and all the other stuff that conspiracy theorists here are demanding. It won't happen and it shouldn't. Get over it. If you can't accept the veracity of what has already been released then you won't accept the rest -- even if they were to show you the unpleasant remains.
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