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Gen. Dempsey: If Women Canít Meet Military Standard, Pentagon ... Have to Be That High?
CNS News ^ | January 25, 2013 | Pete Winn

Posted on 01/25/2013 10:23:19 AM PST by george76

Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that with women now eligible to fill combat roles in the military, commanders must justify why any woman might be excluded – and, if women can’t meet any unit’s standard, the Pentagon will ask: “Does it really have to be that high?”

Dempsey’s comments came at a Pentagon news conference with Defense Sec. Leon Panetta Thursday, announcing the shift in Defense Department policy opening up all combat positions to women.

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“Importantly, though, if we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn't make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high? With the direct combat exclusion provision in place, we never had to have that conversation.”

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Gen. Dempsey: If Women Can’t Meet Military Standard, Pentagon Will Ask ‘Does It Really Have to Be That High?’

1 posted on 01/25/2013 10:23:28 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

General Dempsey - why not create an all-female combat unit, and deploy them to someplace like the Korangal Valley?

You will then be able to prove the validity of your theories very quickly.


2 posted on 01/25/2013 10:27:25 AM PST by PGR88
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To: george76

So this is going to be the dumbing-down of the US military.

The 2008 coup continues its systematic destruction of what used to be the United States of America.


3 posted on 01/25/2013 10:27:41 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: george76

Fundamental Transformation, baby. FTU Amerikkka.


4 posted on 01/25/2013 10:27:41 AM PST by Argus
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To: george76

Call it the Michael Moore Standard. No physical tests shall be more demanding than what Michael Moore could perform.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 10:28:32 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: george76

Only a day later and they’re already talking about lowering standards to accommodate the new lady grunts.


6 posted on 01/25/2013 10:28:32 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: george76

see!

already talk of lower standards.


7 posted on 01/25/2013 10:30:40 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: george76
"Alright! Listen up you maggots! One of your buddies has been shot. He's lying 50 feet from your foxhole. Your task is to run out there and get him. Drag him to your foxhole and provide medical aid. We will partner up. One of you will be the wounded and the other will be the rescuer. You got that?"
"Sir?"
"Keep it brief little lady, I don't have all day."
"Sir, I can only carry 50 pounds."
"Alright! Listen up you maggots! Someone has dropped a 10-gallon jug of water 50 feet from your foxhole. Your task is to run out there and retrieve that jug. Drag it to your foxhole and take a drink. There will be no partners. This is an individual activity. You got that?"
8 posted on 01/25/2013 10:33:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: george76

“What difference does it make?” I guess they are expecting to have less men wanting to join the gay ranks, so they need to fill slots with women.


9 posted on 01/25/2013 10:35:58 AM PST by petitfour
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To: PGR88
Yep. This type of PC bullsh*t is going to get people killed, including their affirmative action proteges.

If allowed to continue, it will eventually make the U.S. military about as effective as the French.

10 posted on 01/25/2013 10:36:32 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

So it starts. The reduction of requirements to fit the female frame.
I honestly think that the reason they want to have women in the front lines is because they never intend us to ever fight a war again. So what difference does it make?


11 posted on 01/25/2013 10:36:47 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: george76

So the objective is no longer to be the best we can be. The objective is to be diverse and representative first, and to train up to whatever standard does not impinge on diversity goals.

This will get people killed.


12 posted on 01/25/2013 10:38:44 AM PST by sphinx
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To: PGR88

Excellent point!!


13 posted on 01/25/2013 10:39:55 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Oldexpat
I agree completely. The days of boots on the ground may be over. No politician will want to send women into harm's way so no politician will ever support a war in the future. We may bomb our enemies from the air, but we know that women on the front lines is a horrible PR move for any administration.

The pacifists have won.

14 posted on 01/25/2013 10:42:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: george76

Um, yes, you idiots.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 10:45:31 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: george76

What sort of mental disorders will result from male soldiers having to watch female soldiers being raped by the enemy? Shame on Panetta for endangering America’s military by promoting these crazy experiments on our soldiers.


16 posted on 01/25/2013 10:46:17 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: george76
"...With the direct combat exclusion provision in place, we never had to have that conversation.”

This guy is in charge?

How is it different to exclude a man who can't meet the standard vs. excluding women who can't meet the standard?
17 posted on 01/25/2013 10:46:23 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SgtHooper

Get Colonel Hunt back on the Howie Carr Show today to eat crow.


18 posted on 01/25/2013 10:46:23 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: george76

The term ‘Fox Hole’ will take on a whole new meaning.


19 posted on 01/25/2013 10:47:59 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Better make it a 6-gallon jug.

A 10-gallon jug of water weighs 75 pounds.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 10:50:42 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: george76

Somewhere in China the generals are smiling.


21 posted on 01/25/2013 10:50:46 AM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Oldexpat
I honestly think that the reason they want to have women in the front lines is because they never intend us to ever fight win a war again. So what difference does it make?

There.

Fixed.

22 posted on 01/25/2013 10:50:58 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: george76
Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that with women now eligible to fill combat roles in the military, commanders must justify why any woman might be excluded – and, if women can’t meet any unit’s standard, the Pentagon will ask: “Does it really have to be that high?”

And, thus begins the final push to wreck what has been the best military in the world.

Kids can't pass their finals to graduate? Lower the standards. Too dumb to get into college? Lower the standards. People too fat to be accepted in the military? Lower the standards. Peaople can't meet the standards required of combat soldiers? Lower the standards.

Since lowering the standards for any institution or requirement that the left wants to destroy is what we do, why have them? Why (Constitution aside) have standards for POTUS, Congress, or SCOTUS? Why have standards for lawyers, teachers, dentists, doctors or engineers? Why bother seeking the best of the best instead of the next person in line? What's wrong with having a president who is 4 years-old (Obama)?

This is just the next step in the destruction of this country. As it stands now, our military has been so deeply cut and is stretched so thin that we would have a hard time defeating the military of Holland.

Ignorant foreign governments still send their military here to learn from us so that, in a future war, we may not only have to fight the enemy, but fight our own tactics and strategies as well. Smart. And, when foreign military students take their training elsewhere such as Russia, China or Germany, will that be a wake-up call for us? I doubt it. We will have lowered the standards so much that no one will understand the implications.

If lowering the standards is the left's answer to everything (including citizenship), why not drop the pretense that we're a real country? Let's drop everything that represents America and just become a giant commune with no rules, no borders and no requirements.

If you can't tell, I am beyond disgusted.

23 posted on 01/25/2013 10:51:14 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: george76

How about letting women serve in ‘combat’ units as soon as we have a female JCS or Secretary of Defense.


24 posted on 01/25/2013 10:52:59 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Timber Rattler

There’s no surprise it happened; what’s surprising it happened that soon.

I would have expected them to wait at least a week.


25 posted on 01/25/2013 10:54:20 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DustyMoment

A nation of subjects doesn’t need standards, except those shifting standards deemed necessary for the permanant control of the state, ie...obamacare, taxation of wealth producers, and social engineering.


26 posted on 01/25/2013 10:59:01 AM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: george76

Ladies and faggots will now be our frontline defense against the barbarians at the gate.....and all our guns will belong to Holder. Good luck, America!


27 posted on 01/25/2013 11:00:09 AM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: massgopguy

I think that Hunt forgot the ROI that his Brother blown to sh%t in VN.


28 posted on 01/25/2013 11:00:24 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: DuncanWaring

Maybe the Chinese are laughing but the Muzzies are scared to death.

Imagine one of these female soldiers getting their mitts on a Muzzie and castrates him and feeds him his own junk. You really think there will be a hearing?

Arm each woman warrior with a 10 pound slab of bacon and send them into battle. We will have the ME cleaned up in a month.


29 posted on 01/25/2013 11:02:34 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: butterdezillion

Weren’t they already letting someone on active duty go through sex change? I was wondering how that was working. Pretty soon the unions will get involved and demand 15 minute breaks on the battlefield and special nursing rooms for mothers.


30 posted on 01/25/2013 11:11:43 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: george76

I knew this was coming. I just thought it would take a few days, maybe a week or two. It only took 24 hours.

All of these people, including the traitorous generals at the top, are deliberately eviscerating our military and our Country.


31 posted on 01/25/2013 11:12:54 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: EQAndyBuzz

LOL


32 posted on 01/25/2013 11:13:29 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: george76
Would Gen. Dempsey like to serve in combat with a woman who cannot do this?


33 posted on 01/25/2013 11:13:35 AM PST by Girlene
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"let me be clear, we’re not talking about reducing the qualifications for a job...

Riiight. That'll last about 15 seconds. Having lived under several regimes of dual-standard, affirmative-action chicanery, I feel well qualified when I say that once you accept the arguement that social justice goals trump reality, you cannot adhere to a high standard for all. Either you drop standards for some, creating a two-tier regime that engenders contempt and hostility, or you drop standards for all, dramatically lowering the effectiveness of the whole organizationm.

Obviously the DOD has bought into the social justice priority. This will lead to an inevitable and ultimately devastating degradation of the whole force.

If I had a child, I would stongly counsel them to forget any notion of serving in this military. Sorry kids, but we done lost the culture war. All that remains is for us to lose the real one, and I fear that is all but inevitable.

34 posted on 01/25/2013 11:13:42 AM PST by SargeK
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-" “Does it really have to be that high?”

WOW!!! Is this from the 'Onion'????

35 posted on 01/25/2013 11:17:58 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: george76

Even if they don’t admit it, they have already lowered standards. The people who meet the real standards have to take up the slack for those who are unfit.


36 posted on 01/25/2013 11:19:52 AM PST by I want the USA back
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Remember, most of the brass that gets up that high are usually asskissers.


37 posted on 01/25/2013 11:21:24 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: george76

I had to check to see if this article was satire or not.

This is kinda scary.


38 posted on 01/25/2013 11:24:26 AM PST by Delta Dawn (at)
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"Remember, most of the brass that gets up that high are usually asskissers."

Chesty Puller was definitely not an AssKisser he was an Ass Kicker!

39 posted on 01/25/2013 11:38:14 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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“Does it really have to be that high?”

Of course not, there’s nothing better than a lowest common denominator military.

Until it comes up against one of high quality...


40 posted on 01/25/2013 11:43:42 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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Well it’s obvious that no one involved with this is planning to fight in a real war outside of the USA. All these new combat troops must be for some other action.


41 posted on 01/25/2013 11:44:27 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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We’ve seen pictures of the dead being dragged through the streets, hung from bridges, next will be the gang rape of a dead woman soldier. If I remember correctly it is acceptable in some Muslim sects to have sex with their dead wives if done within a certain period of time.


42 posted on 01/25/2013 12:10:36 PM PST by vwbug
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The standards will be lowered-affirmative action.


43 posted on 01/25/2013 12:23:21 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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I expect the ground combat services will see a precipitous dwindling of the ranks of company and field grade officers and staff NCOs.


44 posted on 01/25/2013 12:30:11 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Delta Dawn

WTF, over?


45 posted on 01/25/2013 12:39:16 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Nah, just tell them that the women are all menstruating and they’ll run the other direction.

Come to think of it, maybe our guys will run the other direction too. lol

Actually, what somebody else said seems more likely: the Islamists will capture our women and rape them while our guys can do nothing to help.

Somebody needs to ask these guys if all 18-year-old women will now have to register for the draft as well - in order to be “equal”.


46 posted on 01/25/2013 12:47:42 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: LibFreeUSA

I thought Mullins was bad Dempsey is far worse. These JCS guys seem to have negative value.


47 posted on 01/25/2013 12:52:47 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Rusty0604

The civilian members of the military have a union. Maintenance workers have to be allowed 15 minutes before lunch and going home so they can clean up. I think this appiles to union and non-union workers.


48 posted on 01/25/2013 12:54:08 PM PST by USAF80
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To: george76
The left is willingly sacrificing women on the alter of Political Correctness fueled by an insane concept of 'equality' that doesn't exist in the real world.

That the feckless General Dempsey is clearly on board with this reminds us of how the Obama administration is systematically eviscerating our proud military in an effort to further weaken America. When they have fully succeeded - which won't be long, now - what then? Who will the world call on when attacked by a larger, stronger nation? Sweden, France? In this downward trajectory, the bad guys win - everything - and God help us all because, in many ways, we've brought it on ourselves.

49 posted on 01/25/2013 12:57:06 PM PST by Jim Scott
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Well said! The Korangal Valley will eat them alive.

All I heard yesterday in the media was that standards were not going to be reduced. Today, we hear from General Dempsey declaring that combat Commanders will have to justify if the current standards need to remain in place. Meaning you will lower them!

Once again, we are told lies. The standards are being lowered as to justify the acceptance of women in infantry combat roles. Our military leaders have become yes men. General Dempsey should resign. He and the Defense Secretary will cause the death of both male and female soldiers in the future in order to meet the affirmative action of social justice in the military! God help and protect the US from those who should know better.

50 posted on 01/25/2013 12:57:21 PM PST by Col Vit
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