Skip to comments.Argentine destroyer that led war against Britain sinks, a symbol of decay for once-proud navy
Posted on 01/25/2013 1:00:39 PM PST by JerseyanExileEdited on 01/25/2013 1:43:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Argentina’s defense chief expressed shame Wednesday after a Navy destroyer sank at its moorings, putting on display the declining fortunes of a once-proud fleet.
The ARA Trinidad led Argentina’s 1982 sea war against Britain, but has long been mothballed and used for spare parts to sustain what’s left of Argentina’s Navy.
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Weren’t the Argies rattling sabers recently over the Falkland Islands again?
The future of the US Navy if Obama and his Marxists have their way.
Didn’t the Admiral Belgrano “lead” the Argentine Navy against the Falklanders?
Every country should be able to patrol it’s waters, but Argentina has no fears of invasion that I know of.
It’s sad though that the country has fallen to such a state.Certainly I wouldn’t think the people in the falklands would want to join Argentina if they don’t have a ship that can get to the islands.
Belgrano led them to the bottom.
Probably revisionist history, since the Belgrano was sunk. For propaganda purposes, they can’t have the leader of the campaign be a sunken ship that the public can’t see.
Wait a minute...
Yep. I'm sure this loss is a coincidence...
Would you believe 3 Tidy Bowl men in dinghies?
It led it to the bottom of the sea. RIP all of its sailors who were killed; not their fault, just an insane ruling junta to mess with PM Thatcher.
Merely an accidental trifle really.
“The future of the US Navy if Obama and his Marxists have their way.”
Drat, you beat me to it!
That’s exactly what I was thinking of for a reply, as I read the original article above...
Obama is taking us down this same exact road....http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/11/dont-cry-for-me-america.html
The Spanish word for pump and bomb is the same. Maybe, no they wouldn’t, would they?
Beyond that, its the future of the entire USA in the not-too-distant future. Argentina is a perfect example of where Obama will take the USA in the next couple of years. Argentina is not Zimbabwe, but it is what happens when a country with much potential is run with socialist fantasy and ideology, and the crony-capitalists connected to them.
Its once proud Navy?? HUH. Seems to me the once proud Navy consisted of cast off US surface ships, unless the times is counting the Graf Spee as it sailed by on its way to Montevideo in WW2.
Ironically, she was a British-designed Type 42 destroyer that was built in Argentina. Technically she was a sister-ship to HMS Sheffield.
She hasn’t been in commission since the late 1980s - the Brits weren’t too keen to maintain a supply of spare parts after the Falklands unpleasantness/misunderstanding.
Having spent part of the weekend aboard the Midway I have come to the conclusion that maintenance is the only reason one of these ships stays afloat. Conversely, lack thereof the reason they sink (in peacetime)
The Belgrano was the ship that challenged the arriving Royal Navy and got itself torpedoed but good.
“...used for spare parts...”
Note to Argentinan Navy: the Port side of the hull isn’t a “spare part”. LOL.
One notes the US Thresher class sub was renamed the Permit class after Thresher was lost.
“Once proud navy”? Geeze the only part of the Argentinian Navy that turned in a credible performance during the Falklands War was its naval aviation — and they operated from land bases.
The Argentinian Navy may have dropped off troops on the Falklands and South Sandwich Islands, but except briefly it stayed in port once the Royal Navy showed up. Especially after the Brits torpedoed and sank the heavy cruiser General Belgrano. (Ever notice how ships named after generals do badly in naval combat - Blucher, Sharnhorst, Hoche and a whole bunch more came to bad ends.)
As far as I can see, the Argentine Navy’s glory days consisted of beating up on those that couldn’t resist, and skulking in port otherwise — even if this meant abandoning their army.
What kind of “pipe break” would sink a destroyer? Must have been a 10-inch high-pressure main that went unnoticed for a couple of hours.
So then rumors of another battle over the Falklands were premature.
The useful life of a destroyer can’t be much more than 30 years.
The present condition of Argentina is a glimpse of what the territory once known as “the United? States of America” shall look like some very few decades in the future.
A hundred years ago, the Argentine was a prosperous and vigorous nation, well supplied with an abundance of natural resources, and home to an industrious population, with plenty of foreign exchange flowing in, due to a strong trade policy, particularly with Europe.
Then the ‘progressives’ gained power in the national parliament, and a number of initiatives on the order of what Woodrow Wilson was encouraging in the United States, became the law of the land. It was a much broader and more ambitious agenda, accomplishing even more than FDR did in the New Deal, and surpassing anything that was done until LBJ got the New Society rammed through Congress in the 1960’s. Argentina had been in the grasp of ‘progressives’ from about the time of the start of the First World War, and with the influx of foreign exchange, and more particularly, gold, in their treasury, the welfare state was well funded for a while. Argentina had always been an exporter of both wheat and beef, until several grave epidemics swept through their cattle herds, making the beef unfit for export, except as a product known as “corned beef”, which prevented the spread of the various diseases, such as rinderpest and brucellosis. But for the most part, Argentina beef exports never recovered, which dried up a lot of the income from foreign trade. The nation was probably harder hit by the worldwide Great Depression even more than Great Britain or the United States, and the government pretty much fell into a near-Fascist type of government, which made the country highly attractive to high-ranking National Socialists and Fascists after the fall of the Axis powers in World War Two. The nation was almost entirely under a command economy most of this time, with huge unemployment and a very large underclass both unemployable, and otherwise largely unable or unwilling to shift for themselves. The national treasury was bankrupted by the bloated welfare state created, and its most notorious ‘distributionist’ was Eva Peron, spouse of Juan Peron, who came to power in a military coup that overthrew the last remaining civil government.
Ther was not, and had not been for some time, any pretense of democratically elected government, by the time Peron was thrown out of office. But Argentina was still saddled with the debts, both internal and to bankers elsewhere in the world, and in an effort to make a show of paying those debts off, they inflated the currency beyond anything seen since the collapse of the Weimar Republic of Germany.
Today Argentina is a little backwater of a country, without much in the way of national pride or any sliver of international recognition.
A most sobering thought for the “reformers” in this nation. If they are even capable of studying and learning anything from this example of how NOT to run a country.
I'm sure there is a suitable German word for this.
Wow, good write-up summary of Argentinian history over the last century. I actually learned a thing or two, and it connected a dot or two for me. Thanks!
The “General Belgrano” led the Argentine navy to Davy Jones’ Locker.
Sad death for a good ship that survived Pearl Harbor.
40 and counting
How about “gesunkt”?
In this case, the Spanish term for "bilge pumps" is dinero.
Argentina's run out of other people's dinero and can't print more fast enough to take care of things like battleship maintenance.
We are about to enter this unhappy zone in the Regime's second term. God help us all
Yes, they were. Apparently the battle plan would have been to make the British feel guilty over making them sail in such obsolete ships. They were going to drown them in their own tears.
The British man-gurl sailor who lost his IPod to the Iranians is already sobbing at the thought...
British readers shouldn't take offense at this. We're right behind you mates, and if you're near our army, that's a threat. Don't drop the soap...
I wonder if it was given an assist. That is, a mothballed ship can be refitted in a lot less time and for much less money than building a ship from scratch. And if somebody in the MOD calculated that they would have to use this ship if they wanted to get aggressive at the Falklands again...
...Well, ship happens.
I guess a country makes due with what it has.
Makes sense. The Argentiians hoped to attack the British fleet from two directions. The Belgrano and its accompanying destroyers (all armed with Exocet missiles in addition to the Belgrano’s 15 6” guns) were the southern “pincer”.
Pino Solanas, Activist filmmaker and Authentic Socialist Party Presidential candidate.
What's the big deal about leading a war against English sinks? Big whoop.