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Argentine destroyer that led war against Britain sinks, a symbol of decay for once-proud navy
Washington Post ^ | January 23, 2013

Posted on 01/25/2013 1:00:39 PM PST by JerseyanExile

Edited on 01/25/2013 1:43:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Argentina’s defense chief expressed shame Wednesday after a Navy destroyer sank at its moorings, putting on display the declining fortunes of a once-proud fleet.

The ARA Trinidad led Argentina’s 1982 sea war against Britain, but has long been mothballed and used for spare parts to sustain what’s left of Argentina’s Navy.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: argentina; argentineannavy; argentinianmilitary; falklands; uktroops
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1 posted on 01/25/2013 1:00:44 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

Weren’t the Argies rattling sabers recently over the Falkland Islands again?


2 posted on 01/25/2013 1:04:02 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: JerseyanExile

The future of the US Navy if Obama and his Marxists have their way.


3 posted on 01/25/2013 1:04:30 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: JerseyanExile

What?

Didn’t the Admiral Belgrano “lead” the Argentine Navy against the Falklanders?


4 posted on 01/25/2013 1:04:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JerseyanExile

Every country should be able to patrol it’s waters, but Argentina has no fears of invasion that I know of.

It’s sad though that the country has fallen to such a state.Certainly I wouldn’t think the people in the falklands would want to join Argentina if they don’t have a ship that can get to the islands.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 1:07:41 PM PST by Venturer
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To: BenLurkin

Belgrano led them to the bottom.


6 posted on 01/25/2013 1:08:55 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: BenLurkin

Probably revisionist history, since the Belgrano was sunk. For propaganda purposes, they can’t have the leader of the campaign be a sunken ship that the public can’t see.

Wait a minute...


7 posted on 01/25/2013 1:09:26 PM PST by battlecry
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To: Darksheare
Weren’t the Argies rattling sabers recently over the Falkland Islands again?

Yep. I'm sure this loss is a coincidence...

8 posted on 01/25/2013 1:09:41 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: JerseyanExile
Meanwhile, Argentina’s 3,100-mile (4,989-kilometer) coastline is being protected by a fleet that has been reduced to three destroyers, two other warships, several patrol boats, two scientific vessels, an icebreaker and the Libertad, the tall ship used to train cadets that was detained for months in Africa last year as collateral for unpaid debts.

Would you believe 3 Tidy Bowl men in dinghies?

9 posted on 01/25/2013 1:09:55 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: BenLurkin

It led it to the bottom of the sea. RIP all of its sailors who were killed; not their fault, just an insane ruling junta to mess with PM Thatcher.


10 posted on 01/25/2013 1:11:23 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: null and void

Merely an accidental trifle really.


11 posted on 01/25/2013 1:14:02 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Don Corleone

“The future of the US Navy if Obama and his Marxists have their way.”

Drat, you beat me to it!

That’s exactly what I was thinking of for a reply, as I read the original article above...


12 posted on 01/25/2013 1:15:37 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: JerseyanExile
What’s Spanish for “bilge pumps”?
13 posted on 01/25/2013 1:19:32 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: JerseyanExile

Obama is taking us down this same exact road....http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/11/dont-cry-for-me-america.html


14 posted on 01/25/2013 1:21:31 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Spanish word for pump and bomb is the same. Maybe, no they wouldn’t, would they?


15 posted on 01/25/2013 1:23:03 PM PST by battlecry
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To: Don Corleone
The future of the US Navy if Obama and his Marxists have their way.

Beyond that, its the future of the entire USA in the not-too-distant future. Argentina is a perfect example of where Obama will take the USA in the next couple of years. Argentina is not Zimbabwe, but it is what happens when a country with much potential is run with socialist fantasy and ideology, and the crony-capitalists connected to them.

16 posted on 01/25/2013 1:24:42 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Darksheare

Its once proud Navy?? HUH. Seems to me the once proud Navy consisted of cast off US surface ships, unless the times is counting the Graf Spee as it sailed by on its way to Montevideo in WW2.


17 posted on 01/25/2013 1:27:15 PM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: JerseyanExile

Sighted Ship
Sump Same


18 posted on 01/25/2013 1:28:46 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
What’s Spanish for “bilge pumps”?
Speaking from experience, the best bilge pump in the world is a scared man with a bucket.
19 posted on 01/25/2013 1:30:43 PM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Ironically, she was a British-designed Type 42 destroyer that was built in Argentina. Technically she was a sister-ship to HMS Sheffield.

She hasn’t been in commission since the late 1980s - the Brits weren’t too keen to maintain a supply of spare parts after the Falklands unpleasantness/misunderstanding.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 1:31:33 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: JerseyanExile

Having spent part of the weekend aboard the Midway I have come to the conclusion that maintenance is the only reason one of these ships stays afloat. Conversely, lack thereof the reason they sink (in peacetime)


21 posted on 01/25/2013 1:32:03 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: BenLurkin
The Trinidad was the invasion ship for the Falklands before the Royal Navy arrived.

The Belgrano was the ship that challenged the arriving Royal Navy and got itself torpedoed but good.

22 posted on 01/25/2013 1:32:27 PM PST by wideawake
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To: JerseyanExile

“...used for spare parts...”

Note to Argentinan Navy: the Port side of the hull isn’t a “spare part”. LOL.


23 posted on 01/25/2013 1:32:37 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: PGR88
the future of the entire USA...

Catching Argentinian Disease

24 posted on 01/25/2013 1:34:18 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: JerseyanExile

25 posted on 01/25/2013 1:35:15 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: battlecry

One notes the US Thresher class sub was renamed the Permit class after Thresher was lost.


26 posted on 01/25/2013 1:36:19 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: JerseyanExile
There's still something to smile about in Argentina:
27 posted on 01/25/2013 1:36:41 PM PST by EEGator
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To: JerseyanExile

“Once proud navy”? Geeze the only part of the Argentinian Navy that turned in a credible performance during the Falklands War was its naval aviation — and they operated from land bases.

The Argentinian Navy may have dropped off troops on the Falklands and South Sandwich Islands, but except briefly it stayed in port once the Royal Navy showed up. Especially after the Brits torpedoed and sank the heavy cruiser General Belgrano. (Ever notice how ships named after generals do badly in naval combat - Blucher, Sharnhorst, Hoche and a whole bunch more came to bad ends.)

As far as I can see, the Argentine Navy’s glory days consisted of beating up on those that couldn’t resist, and skulking in port otherwise — even if this meant abandoning their army.


28 posted on 01/25/2013 1:39:26 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: JerseyanExile

What kind of “pipe break” would sink a destroyer? Must have been a 10-inch high-pressure main that went unnoticed for a couple of hours.


29 posted on 01/25/2013 1:42:26 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: JerseyanExile

So then rumors of another battle over the Falklands were premature.


30 posted on 01/25/2013 1:44:07 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: JerseyanExile

The useful life of a destroyer can’t be much more than 30 years.


31 posted on 01/25/2013 1:46:47 PM PST by skeeter
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To: IronJack
What kind of “pipe break” would sink a destroyer? Must have been a 10-inch high-pressure main that went unnoticed for a couple of hours.
a scuttling valve failure?...
..is there such a thing / device?
a valve left open / opened / failure?

32 posted on 01/25/2013 1:52:20 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: Don Corleone

The present condition of Argentina is a glimpse of what the territory once known as “the United? States of America” shall look like some very few decades in the future.

A hundred years ago, the Argentine was a prosperous and vigorous nation, well supplied with an abundance of natural resources, and home to an industrious population, with plenty of foreign exchange flowing in, due to a strong trade policy, particularly with Europe.

Then the ‘progressives’ gained power in the national parliament, and a number of initiatives on the order of what Woodrow Wilson was encouraging in the United States, became the law of the land. It was a much broader and more ambitious agenda, accomplishing even more than FDR did in the New Deal, and surpassing anything that was done until LBJ got the New Society rammed through Congress in the 1960’s. Argentina had been in the grasp of ‘progressives’ from about the time of the start of the First World War, and with the influx of foreign exchange, and more particularly, gold, in their treasury, the welfare state was well funded for a while. Argentina had always been an exporter of both wheat and beef, until several grave epidemics swept through their cattle herds, making the beef unfit for export, except as a product known as “corned beef”, which prevented the spread of the various diseases, such as rinderpest and brucellosis. But for the most part, Argentina beef exports never recovered, which dried up a lot of the income from foreign trade. The nation was probably harder hit by the worldwide Great Depression even more than Great Britain or the United States, and the government pretty much fell into a near-Fascist type of government, which made the country highly attractive to high-ranking National Socialists and Fascists after the fall of the Axis powers in World War Two. The nation was almost entirely under a command economy most of this time, with huge unemployment and a very large underclass both unemployable, and otherwise largely unable or unwilling to shift for themselves. The national treasury was bankrupted by the bloated welfare state created, and its most notorious ‘distributionist’ was Eva Peron, spouse of Juan Peron, who came to power in a military coup that overthrew the last remaining civil government.

Ther was not, and had not been for some time, any pretense of democratically elected government, by the time Peron was thrown out of office. But Argentina was still saddled with the debts, both internal and to bankers elsewhere in the world, and in an effort to make a show of paying those debts off, they inflated the currency beyond anything seen since the collapse of the Weimar Republic of Germany.

Today Argentina is a little backwater of a country, without much in the way of national pride or any sliver of international recognition.

A most sobering thought for the “reformers” in this nation. If they are even capable of studying and learning anything from this example of how NOT to run a country.


33 posted on 01/25/2013 1:57:41 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: tanknetter; wideawake
"The Trinidad was the invasion ship for the Falklands before the Royal Navy arrived."
And
"Ironically, she was a British-designed Type 42 destroyer that was built in Argentina. Technically she was a sister-ship to HMS Sheffield."

I'm sure there is a suitable German word for this.

34 posted on 01/25/2013 2:00:17 PM PST by norton
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To: alloysteel

Wow, good write-up summary of Argentinian history over the last century. I actually learned a thing or two, and it connected a dot or two for me. Thanks!


35 posted on 01/25/2013 2:13:33 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: BenLurkin

The “General Belgrano” led the Argentine navy to Davy Jones’ Locker.


36 posted on 01/25/2013 2:18:07 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: BenLurkin

Admiral Belgrano

Sad death for a good ship that survived Pearl Harbor.


37 posted on 01/25/2013 2:21:52 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: skeeter
The useful life of a destroyer can’t be much more than 30 years.

40 and counting


38 posted on 01/25/2013 2:46:27 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: norton

How about “gesunkt”?

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv171/midlifequietlife/type42_zps4733be82.jpg


39 posted on 01/25/2013 2:48:07 PM PST by Tenega
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To: alloysteel
Eva Peron once had a group of elite society women picked up and thrown in the hoosegow for a few hours on charges of being “ladies of the evening”. It was the kind of petty, vengeful move only an upstart nobody who had suddenly gained power but still knew she would always be marked for her lack of class, would feel compelled to make. I could totally see Moochelle doing something like this if she thought she could get away with it-if we were the dictatorship based on a “cult of personality” she and her narcissistic husband wish the USA was.
40 posted on 01/25/2013 3:08:01 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Gay State Conservative
What’s Spanish for “bilge pumps”?

In this case, the Spanish term for "bilge pumps" is dinero.

Argentina's run out of other people's dinero and can't print more fast enough to take care of things like battleship maintenance.

41 posted on 01/25/2013 3:22:27 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: alloysteel
Thanks, we must all remember that these Latino states are run by Mobocracies. It's off with their heads if the water bill's too high. We must prevent our Mobsters from completing their conquest of the USA. These mobocracies are run just like the French Revolution with ethnic cleansing, gang rapes and pervesion of the courts and laws of the land.

We are about to enter this unhappy zone in the Regime's second term. God help us all

42 posted on 01/25/2013 3:26:01 PM PST by STD ( People say 'It's as plain as the nose on your face' but none of us can see theirs!)
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To: Darksheare
Weren’t the Argies rattling sabers recently over the Falkland Islands again?

Yes, they were. Apparently the battle plan would have been to make the British feel guilty over making them sail in such obsolete ships. They were going to drown them in their own tears.

The British man-gurl sailor who lost his IPod to the Iranians is already sobbing at the thought...

British readers shouldn't take offense at this. We're right behind you mates, and if you're near our army, that's a threat. Don't drop the soap...

43 posted on 01/25/2013 3:45:20 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: JerseyanExile

I wonder if it was given an assist. That is, a mothballed ship can be refitted in a lot less time and for much less money than building a ship from scratch. And if somebody in the MOD calculated that they would have to use this ship if they wanted to get aggressive at the Falklands again...

...Well, ship happens.


44 posted on 01/25/2013 4:38:45 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I guess a country makes due with what it has.


45 posted on 01/25/2013 4:44:14 PM PST by skeeter
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To: BenLurkin
ARA Santísima Trinidad had command and control of air defence for Task Force 79.1 (the Aircraft Carrier group) - which was the main offensive force at the beginnining of May.
46 posted on 01/25/2013 4:55:37 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Makes sense. The Argentiians hoped to attack the British fleet from two directions. The Belgrano and its accompanying destroyers (all armed with Exocet missiles in addition to the Belgrano’s 15 6” guns) were the southern “pincer”.


47 posted on 01/25/2013 5:01:06 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JerseyanExile
Looks like it managed to take another ship with her


48 posted on 01/25/2013 5:14:24 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Then
... all Navy ranking officers should be sacked pour encourager les autres

Pino Solanas, Activist filmmaker and Authentic Socialist Party Presidential candidate.

49 posted on 01/25/2013 5:35:29 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: JerseyanExile
Argentine destroyer that led war against Britain sinks, a symbol of decay for once-proud navy

What's the big deal about leading a war against English sinks? Big whoop.

50 posted on 01/25/2013 6:04:26 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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