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A world without work: As robots, computers get smarter, will humans have anything left to do?
AP ^ | Fri January 25, 2013

Posted on 01/25/2013 4:19:12 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

WASHINGTON — They seem right out of a Hollywood fantasy, and they are: Cars that drive themselves have appeared in movies like “I, Robot” and the television show “Knight Rider.”

Now, three years after Google invented one, automated cars could be on their way to a freeway near you. In the U.S., California and other states are rewriting the rules of the road to make way for driverless cars. Just one problem: What happens to the millions of people who make a living driving cars and trucks — jobs that always have seemed sheltered from the onslaught of technology?

“All those jobs are going to disappear in the next 25 years,” predicts Moshe Vardi, a computer scientist at Rice University in Houston. “Driving by people will look quaint; it will look like a horse and buggy.”

If automation can unseat bus drivers, urban deliverymen, long-haul truckers, even cabbies, is any job safe?

Vardi poses an equally scary question: “Are we prepared for an economy in which 50 percent of people aren’t working?”

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1 posted on 01/25/2013 4:19:19 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

“In the year 2525...”


2 posted on 01/25/2013 4:21:05 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>Vardi poses an equally scary question: “Are we prepared for an economy in which 50 percent of people aren’t working?”<<

That would be called “the obama economy.”


3 posted on 01/25/2013 4:22:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Skynet??

The Matrix??

If we are so dependent on machines that nobody knows how they work, that would be a critical point where Man would be obsolete.


4 posted on 01/25/2013 4:25:03 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I remember them predicting that computers would eliminate paper and we would become a paperless society. Hasn’t happened. I think we use more paper now than before computers.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 4:25:50 PM PST by Parmy
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To: freedumb2003

Exactly what I was thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic


6 posted on 01/25/2013 4:33:28 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: MinorityRepublican

Well, we can always become government “workers.”

Roll in the socialist workers utopia.

We all get paid equally via the government printing press.


7 posted on 01/25/2013 4:34:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Parmy

>> I think we use more paper now than before computers.<<

I personally don’t print ANYTHING except for contractually-required deliverables that need physical signatures.


8 posted on 01/25/2013 4:36:03 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: MinorityRepublican

We would probably be fighting the androids.


9 posted on 01/25/2013 4:37:31 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: vladimir998

Mo WAY am I clicking on that link! It is bad enough the THOUGHT of that song started echoing in my head!

If I actually HEAR it It will take a physical hammer and a nail in my ear to get it out!


10 posted on 01/25/2013 4:37:53 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Sure we will...fixing robots and computers.


11 posted on 01/25/2013 4:38:03 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. Let's start over.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Kurt Vonnegut wrote a prophetic book in 1952 called “Player Piano” that addressed many of these issues. While he got some of the technology specifics wrong (e.g., use of vacuum tubes), he got right that most jobs would be eliminated due to automation. There were basically two classes of people: a relatively small group of manager & engineers and citizens. A small sliver of citizens did jobs that could not be automated (like barbers), but the vast majority either joined the military or worked in the “Reeks and Wrecks” (e.g., roadwork), Almost all citizens got a standard package that included housing, food, and healthcare, but little $$ for vices. In contrast, the managers and engineers lived like the 1%.

Funny that Kurt never addressed what became of lawyers....


12 posted on 01/25/2013 4:42:59 PM PST by rbg81
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yep. Whine and complain.


13 posted on 01/25/2013 4:45:23 PM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: rbg81

>>Funny that Kurt never addressed what became of lawyers....<<

The first to be placed against the wall when the Revolution came?


14 posted on 01/25/2013 4:47:53 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Parmy

Because people in their 40’s, 50’s and 60’s run companies still. In enough time, when they are gone, paperless is the way to go. My little inexpensive flash drive can hold around the equivalent of 48,000 books.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 4:48:01 PM PST by EEGator
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In the year 3000.....poptarts hunt men


16 posted on 01/25/2013 4:50:01 PM PST by Kolath
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To: MinorityRepublican

Hopefully more people will take up Bridge.


17 posted on 01/25/2013 4:51:05 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Just wait till you can get a totally artificial, interactive, yet realistic porn experience injected right into your neurons. When that happens, look out. Civilization may not survive it.


18 posted on 01/25/2013 4:53:23 PM PST by rbg81
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To: MinorityRepublican
A normal society has more than 200 holidays per year.

A normal society has 3/4 of the adults working at or around home ~ whatever that entails, and 100% of the children engaged in serious learning.

A normal society isn't what we've been living in since the Medieval Warm Period.

19 posted on 01/25/2013 4:54:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Fledermaus

The only route is OWNERSHIP. We can spend our time in an endless series of important business meetings.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 4:56:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MinorityRepublican

maintenance of robots.


21 posted on 01/25/2013 5:00:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
People need to stop worrying about jobs disappearing and start worrying about how we are going to train people to do the jobs that will go wanting without a skilled labor force.

Fact: Robots and automated machinery will replace human labor at an ever increasing rate.

Question: What should we do?

Answer: Learn how to design robots and automated machinery.

And there are a lot of other answers, very few of which start with an education in Women's Studies.

22 posted on 01/25/2013 5:00:05 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: MinorityRepublican

Thanks to the steam engine and the McCormick Reaper none of us work now!
Well, a few people are still needed for the buggy industry.

Goodness if the buggy industry wan’t needed there would truly be no reason for anyone to work.


23 posted on 01/25/2013 5:00:18 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: muawiyah

Yes...endless meetings on agendas for the next endless meeting!


24 posted on 01/25/2013 5:02:10 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. Let's start over.)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom

>>If we are so dependent on machines that nobody knows how they work, that would be a critical point where Man would be obsolete.

I design and program industrial automation, including neural nets. When robots take over the world, people like me will be their gods! </sarc...or not?!?>


25 posted on 01/25/2013 5:02:29 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rbg81

I’d expect to see a Barbermatic before I saw a self driving truck that had to share the road with humans.


26 posted on 01/25/2013 5:02:29 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bryanw92

Who would ever want a robot capable of worship?


27 posted on 01/25/2013 5:04:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: InterceptPoint

>>Answer: Learn how to design robots and automated machinery.

Stay off my turf!!

(See post #25)


28 posted on 01/25/2013 5:05:33 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MinorityRepublican
After all, nobody enjoys driving. Very few American men care about cars at all. I'm sure in 25 years no one will have any interest flooring it down an open highway.

Also, people will give up eating food and consume flavorless soy pellets instead of choking down a nasty plate of slow-roasted barbecue.

29 posted on 01/25/2013 5:06:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: rbg81

Sorry, even the barber gets automated.

http://consumerist.com/2011/10/14/flowbee-like-a-pro/


30 posted on 01/25/2013 5:07:41 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>>Who would ever want a robot capable of worship?

As long as they worship me, I do! Especially #6!


31 posted on 01/25/2013 5:07:41 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Fledermaus
The Department of Education has been the very model of the future ~ and here we are trying to abolish them ~ we should, instead, thoroughly debrief all of them so we can write a best seller on "What to do in the Age of the Machine-meisters"
32 posted on 01/25/2013 5:09:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: freedumb2003

No, no, no. You’ll just need something to cleanse your musical palate afterward. I recommend this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPRt6Tt6RyM

this does the trick too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5tU-5NXd4

and if those Swedes (plus one German) fail you, there’s always the Japanese:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGi-axL5QTA


33 posted on 01/25/2013 5:09:40 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: MinorityRepublican

34 posted on 01/25/2013 5:09:47 PM PST by CtBigPat (Free Republic - The grown-ups table of the internet.)
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To: Bryanw92
Sorry, she's spoken for...
35 posted on 01/25/2013 5:11:39 PM PST by EEGator
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To: InterceptPoint; MinorityRepublican
For the last 75 years we have faced the problems wrought by mechanization, automation, computerization, robotics and improved work methods.

That time is quickly growing to a close ~

36 posted on 01/25/2013 5:13:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MinorityRepublican
I agree that we are heading into a time when we will be losing far more jobs than gaining through innovation. This does have a lot of dangers for society.

Here is a more uncomfortable question, but it will get asked. If society can function without input from the bottom 50%, why do they need to be here?

The left may split as Margret Sanger's real social darwinism aims come back to the forefront.

"Fostering the good-for-nothing at the expense of the good is extreme cruelty. It is a deliberate storing up of miseries for future generations. There is no greater curse to prosperity than that of bequeathing them an increasing population of imbeciles."

"Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and is perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents. My criticism, therefore, is not directed at the “failure” of philanthropy, but rather at its success. p. 38." - From Margret Sanger's Pivot of Civilization

"Choice" was a gimmick in th 1970s to get the foot in the door. But the left, as we know, is always about force. I can see the left splitting over this issue, because on the one hand, the unemployed will keep voting them into power. Yet the Al Gore wing of the party will increasingly not support a population that does nothing but consume scarce resources and burns carbon. And the immigration wing will be finding it ever harder to fight for immigration when our collective consciousness will soon have digested the thought of a generation or more of high unemployment.

37 posted on 01/25/2013 5:16:05 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Bryanw92
When robots take over the world, people like me will be their gods!

That is NOT sarcasm. The last time I looked, the top 9 job categories for a 4 year college graduates were in engineering. Petroleum engineering was at the top. OTOH, the most popular major for college students: Psychology.

38 posted on 01/25/2013 5:20:19 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: MinorityRepublican
To survive, humans must use robots and computers as tools--we must stand on their shoulders if we are to survive.

On an optimistic note...humans have all the talent they need to rise to that occasion. On a less than optimistic note, the unmotivated ones will die as they should (Darwin Award winners).

Sink or swim.

Reality is non-revocable...it cannot be banned...it cannot be avoided or circumvented.

39 posted on 01/25/2013 5:29:24 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Vince Ferrer
I agree that we are heading into a time when we will be losing far more jobs than gaining through innovation. This does have a lot of dangers for society.

People continuously confuse WORK and JOBS. Are we actually heading to a time when we are running out of work to be done? I don't think so. What we are lacking is the mechanism to hook up the JOBS to the WORK. For me that means we need to get a lot busier creating the workers who have the skill set to satisfy their future employers. Those skill sets are becoming more and more technical. At the same time the current student population is rapidly losing interest in the hard work that it takes to develop real technical skills.

That is the real danger to society. Too many unskilled people in the workfors looking for jobs that no longer need to be done and for which there are hundreds of applicants per job opening.

40 posted on 01/25/2013 5:33:24 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: freedumb2003; MinorityRepublican
Dang it!

That was the Very First thing I thought of too!

You beat me this time Freedumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

41 posted on 01/25/2013 5:33:53 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Maybe they will just kill the non-worker.


42 posted on 01/25/2013 5:34:26 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I’d expect to see a Barbermatic before I saw a self driving truck that had to share the road with humans.

See link: Google Self Driving Car

43 posted on 01/25/2013 5:36:36 PM PST by rbg81
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To: freedumb2003
>>Vardi poses an equally scary question: “Are we prepared for an economy in which 50 percent of people aren’t working?”<<

History shows that people will simply find new ways to earn a living.

At one point in our history, 30-40% of our population was involved in farming. Now it's about 5%

The big issue is whether these new jobs are going to be done by a creative , dynamic, and innovative entrepreneurial class in a free and open society filled with opportunity an upward mobility, or if if these new jobs are going to be oppressive, soul killing, Soviet Union style government make work drudgery in a non free, closed society with little or no opportunity or upward mobility in an intrusive nanny state that engineers poverty and scarcity.

America voted for the second option in 2012 and that is the direction we are headed.

44 posted on 01/25/2013 5:44:45 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: Bryanw92

Interesting. While I am a computer developer, it seems that maybe I am nothing before your skill set, and that, in fact, I will be a bug that you will crush with your automated hyperintelligent laserdrilling robot cowboys.


45 posted on 01/25/2013 5:54:14 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Bryanw92

Interesting. While I am a computer developer, it seems that maybe I am nothing before your skill set, and that, in fact, I will be a bug that you will crush with your automated hyperintelligent laserdrilling robot cowboys.


46 posted on 01/25/2013 5:54:36 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: EEGator

Oh come on...there’s more than one of her!


47 posted on 01/25/2013 5:57:01 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Lazamataz

>>I will be a bug that you will crush with your automated hyperintelligent laserdrilling robot cowboys.

They’ll be too busy crushing lawyers, unqualified management, politicians, and useless electric cars to worry about you.


48 posted on 01/25/2013 6:00:38 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Vardi poses an equally scary question: “Are we prepared for an economy in which 50 percent of people aren’t working?”

In Obamaland, that is already the reality! It's going to get worse for illegal aliens, what with robots taking all the menial jobs.

49 posted on 01/25/2013 6:24:46 PM PST by roadcat
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To: rdcbn

Minitrue
Minipax
Miniplenty
Miniluv


50 posted on 01/25/2013 6:27:04 PM PST by EEGator
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