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Local servicewomen weigh in on decision to allow women in combat
sanluisobispo.com ^ | January 25, 2013 | Kaytlyn Leslie

Posted on 01/25/2013 6:57:52 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

When she heard that women would be allowed to serve on the frontlines of battle, former Camp San Luis Obispo garrison commander Lt. Col. Nicole Balliet’s first reaction was, “Well, it’s about time!”

The Atascadero native then had to better understand the announcement and its implications.

“It’s very overwhelming,” she said of the decision. “It’s a huge validation for all the hard work women have done serving in combat for the past several decades.”

The official announcement came after initial reports Wednesday of the Pentagon’s reversal of the 1994 ban on women serving in small frontline combat units.

In his announcement, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta also called on the armed forces to come up with a plan to comply by 2016, or to petition for exemptions if they felt specific roles could not be filled by women.

But Baillet said she thinks women will do just fine on the battlefield.

Balliet, who was promoted in November to executive officer to the adjunct general of the National Guard, served two separate tours in Iraq, 2003-04 and 2010-11. During her time there, Balliet saw many situations in which women were involved in combat, despite the ban, she said.

“Women have held these sorts of jobs for years,” she said. “We’ve had direct fire. We’ve been under attack. We’ve had vehicles blow up, just the same” as male soldiers.

Though Balliet is not sure whether she would have chosen to be on the frontlines when she entered the service 25 years ago, “it would have been nice to have the opportunity,” she said.

The decision may increase the number of women enlisting in the military, Balliet said.

“I think (an increase) is a very good possibility,” she said. “And that’s not a bad thing.”

Approximately 15 percent of active duty personnel in the military are women, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. Of these, women are most represented in the Air Force (19 percent) and Navy (16 percent).

In the past few years, those branches relaxed most of their prohibitions on women serving in combat. Women are allowed to fly fighter jets, fire weapons from ships and serve on submarines.

Pismo Beach resident and former Petty Officer 1st Class Brianne Richardson knew several female fighter pilots during her time with the Navy.

“They were very tough, very dedicated,” she said. “They were able to do what they needed to do.”

For her, the announcement of the ban’s reversal wasn’t a shock, since many females in her branch had already been serving in combat-like situations.

Richardson, who entered the military with the intent to become a nurse, said she would not choose to go to the frontlines. She was also apprehensive about the decision, because women would have to pass the same rigorous physical tests as men to go to the frontlines.

“(Right now) in the military, women don’t have to pass the same tests as men,” she said. “In combat, that goes right out the window because you are then responsible for the safety of everyone in your group. … I support it if women have to pass the same exact test as men.”

In the announcement, Panetta confirmed that women would be required to pass the same physical requirements as men to serve on the frontlines, but there may be some review of these requirements in the months to come to ensure that they are gender-neutral.

The California National Guard office in Sacramento issued an official statement in support shortly after the Pentagon’s announcement, saying the decision would strengthen the military by increasing diversity.

“This decision is more than a move toward equality, but a tactical advancement, as well,” the report stated. “This greater diversity translates directly into mission success, both in combat overseas and during domestic operations here at home.”


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: womenincombat

1 posted on 01/25/2013 6:57:55 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Can you imagine the effect a film of 10,000 women going ashore at OMAHA BEACH or IOW JIMA would go over back home in WWII?

Watching young women blown to pieces would cause a major uproar.

The Military should not be used for social engineering.


2 posted on 01/25/2013 7:13:38 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

One of the scariest things about the women that want to do man things, is that they aren’t embarrassed about, or even aware of their shortcomings.

I have read many articles and some books by these women, and they can be a total flop compared to the men, but as long as they do well against the female standard, they swell up with pride and vindication at their equality.

They say things like “ I got the best total score in my class”, without ever mentioning that their “scoring” was different from the real scoring, it is like a bad movie about the totally self-absorbed, unaware boss’s son, or rich kid, who thinks that he came straight from the parking lot into the board room, because of his own 21 year old’s talents and specialness.


3 posted on 01/25/2013 7:15:40 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Richardson, who entered the military with the intent to become a nurse, said she would not choose to go to the frontlines
——————————————————————————————Gee when I went in the military we didn’t get a chance to choose.

Does this mean women want a chance to choose?
Is that what you call equality?

When you join the military honey, you go where they send you.

Now women want the right to be cannon fodder if they choose. If they don’t choose some man gets to die in their place. That’s equality?

If women are to be allowed into combat, lets stop the volunteer BS .


4 posted on 01/25/2013 7:18:18 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I would like to see one of our freeper statisticians give us a rough idea of what the loss of 300,000 child bearing age women during the Civil War, would have meant to the United States.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 7:24:20 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

These idiot women will lose their taste for combat once they see what a 7.62 bullet does to human flesh.


6 posted on 01/25/2013 7:27:42 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“This greater diversity translates directly into mission success"

Prove it.

This "diversity makes us strong" crap is a shibboleth.

7 posted on 01/25/2013 7:33:03 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

So when will women have to sign up for selective service?


8 posted on 01/25/2013 8:03:53 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This broad says it would “have been nice to have the opportunity” to go into combat. And opportunity? I guess that means a “choice”. If women are to be “allowed” to serve in combat there should be no choice. They should be assigned just like the men are assigned.


9 posted on 01/25/2013 8:19:18 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Average weight carried by an infantryman in Vietnam, 80lbs.

Dunno about now, but the army will be hard pressed to find 10,000s of women who could carry this into battle.

10 posted on 01/25/2013 8:24:13 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Anyone who actually WANTS to go into military combat shouldn’t. They do not understand it and would be doing it for the wrong reasons. Just as anybody who actually WANTS to be President of the United States shouldn’t.


11 posted on 01/25/2013 8:33:16 PM PST by Bravada (Wherever I Stand, I Stand With Israel!)
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To: skeeter

‘Average weight carried by an infantryman in Vietnam, 80lbs.”

...Today, that’s just the basics, before patrol ruck and basic load of ammo...


12 posted on 01/25/2013 8:51:41 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: skeeter
Seen several what if’s but not often brought up in this discussion is the failure rate of women in various military disciplines, especially ones where heavy physical work is involved. Start off with training costs money and resources. Long ago I heard what the failure rate of men was but don't remember specifics. It was less than 10%. Screening out helped. In my first year in the USAF, several jobs that were previously closed to women were opened, many in maintenance. Long story short, women's failure rates in many of those jobs was 70 to 90+ percent. If it was an experiment, it would have failed. Found out that the USAF was trying to track the numbers but was directed to stop looking as the results were abysmal. Comparing notes with others in maintenance over the years and found out of an average group of 14-16 women, only 2 would be around six months later.
13 posted on 01/25/2013 9:09:52 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Panetta confirmed that women would be required to pass the same physical requirements as men to serve on the frontlines, but there may be some review of these requirements in the months to come to ensure that they are gender-neutral.

Gender neutral tests? OK - so both men and women must be able to pick up a 10 pound bag of sugar... and toss it 3 feet? Everyone passes - we all lose.

14 posted on 01/25/2013 9:14:34 PM PST by GOPJ ( Do murder laws control murders?..freeper Red Badger Let's try Criminal control - Fr:MadMax)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“...since many females in her branch had already been serving in combat-like situations.”

“combat-like?”

Is that where they can get like, dead?


15 posted on 01/25/2013 9:16:35 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That is their point——they want to destroy Western Civilization which created the unique “idea” of Romance and Love in marriage-—unlike all other cultures-—and replace it with vulgar hate. Identitarianism of Marx-—group against group-—so men are conditioned to kill women.

They have been trying to reinforce this idea for years in the movies with unrealistic portrayals of women to little children.....like they are interchangeable with men (Marxism). It is to destroy the Natural Family unit....and make everyone slaves of the state because the State will raise children. There will be no loyalty or love for mothers, because they don’t raise and nurture their babies like prior to the 70’s.

It is why all TV shows have made when so Ugly-—designed by homosexuals to be these plastic looking vulgar sex toys, who are at the same time wearing 5 inch heels, physically capable of Killing a hulking Bill. Rubbish for children—to destroy moral values and instill Adam Lanza/Manson thinking.

Think about it -—he KILLED his own mother at close range. Really. How sick are children’s minds????? —filled with the garbage and rot that Hollywood desensitizes them with-—glorifying all EVIL behaviors that destroys all “good” relationships.

Odd—how we hear of so many children killing a mother. That thought would not have occurred to normal kids (and most were) back in the 50’s. What changed? Conditioning of TV and Movies with evil ideas in the minds of your children. Schools do the same thing now. They are evil.

So, that sick evil Panetta who worships Lucifer, now wants men practicing shooting and killing women. Wow-—then they can show little boys how girls can be blown up—they are not special like when I grew up and any boy that hit a girl was severely punished. Kill the uniqueness of Christian culture-—which gave dignity and worth to ALL humans-—put women on a pedestal, ended slavery as “good” and ended “homosexuality and pederasty (for they always go together) as “a good”.

They are flipping Christian Ethics—to destroy Western Civ—for NWO—make slaves of all of us. Figure it out. Reclaim our Christian Culture which is enshrined in our Constitution-—Laws of Nature and nature’s God-—Rights from God!!!

It’s all to replace our Christian Ethics (kill God so State is God and determines all our Rights).

Christianity put women on a pedestal. Men used to sacrifice everything to fight for their woman and children. That has to end in the Freemason, sodomy culture of “Aghanistan” or Ancient Greece where women are chattel and put under the jackboots-—to condition men to think like the homosexual brownshirts-—who could kill and torture women and children and sodomize the boys. They just hung out with men and boys and had orgies without the women.

The Freemason Ba’al culture where orgies and vulgar use of body-—requires society to destroy all “respect” and “love” of all groups—particularly the women so little children can be sold and bought and used in their evil ceremonies—like they promote in TV programs-—the buying and selling of babies-—in the New Normal.


16 posted on 01/25/2013 9:32:43 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Farmer Dean

The R’s and D’s have already been sending women into combat.
One can argue about putting women into the combat designated mos and such, but women have been getting blown up and shot in Iraq and Afghanistan for a while.


17 posted on 01/25/2013 9:59:20 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Tailgunner Joe

At what point should a pregnant infantrywoman’s fetus receive combat pay?


18 posted on 01/25/2013 10:09:27 PM PST by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: Theoria

And, albeit in lesser numbers, in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, the Civil War and the Revolutionary War. So ... to quote Hillary ... what, at this point, difference does it make?


19 posted on 01/25/2013 10:12:25 PM PST by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: skeeter
Average weight carried by an infantryman in Vietnam, 80lbs.

Winter warfare is heavier than Vietnam.

20 posted on 01/25/2013 10:40:08 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The decision may increase the number of women enlisting in the military, Balliet said.

“I think (an increase) is a very good possibility,” she said. “And that’s not a bad thing.”

I think it will have exactly the OPPOSITE effect. I believe FEWER women will go into the military, if they know they could be sent to the 'front line'.

21 posted on 01/25/2013 10:42:31 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Vesparado
And, albeit in lesser numbers, in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, the Civil War and the Revolutionary War. So ... to quote Hillary ... what, at this point, difference does it make?

A female nurse accidentally being killed doesn't ruin combat efficiency of the fighting forces. In Vietnam only one American female soldier was killed by the enemy, a nurse was struck by shrapnel, while working in a hospital during a shock terror attack.

22 posted on 01/25/2013 10:46:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: SuziQ

When we went to war after 9/11, female and black enlistments shrank because they didn’t want to join during war.


23 posted on 01/25/2013 10:48:58 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Though Balliet is not sure whether she would have chosen to be on the frontlines when she entered the service 25 years ago...

She is a lieutenant colonel in the Nationl Guard. Don't they have an "up or out" rule in the Guard. I suppose she could have come up through the ranks.

24 posted on 01/25/2013 11:34:26 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
For the 'ladies' looking forward to front line combat:

My son was with the 101st in Iraq. Being an airborne unit, that meant he walked all the way from Kuwait to Baghdad. So goes the army... Anyway, he carried an M249 with a 100 round magazine (take that DiFi!). He also carried 500 extra rounds, an extra barrel, a Beretta pistol(should have been a Colt), a ruck sack some mules would balk at, and about 85 pounds of body armor. All of this in the the desert heat.... Honey, how would you like to do that on your period? They don't carry couches in the open air latrine for your cramps either.

25 posted on 01/26/2013 5:07:39 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If you want to stop these pro women in combat lunes dead in their tracks ask them this hypothetical question:

You are a General of an Infantry division and your Commander lets you choose one of two enemy divisions to fight in an upcoming engagement. Intel confirms the first enemy division that you could choose to oppose in the upcoming battle is all male. Or you could instead choose to fight the second enemy division that was mixed faggot, women and men. So which enemy division would you choose to fight?

Answer Yes or No and explain your answer.

26 posted on 01/26/2013 5:12:43 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Another question for them.

Will we ever go up against another army that has female front line combat soldiers?


27 posted on 01/26/2013 5:31:46 AM PST by Texas resident (I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on FR)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Note to Lt. Col. Nicole Balliet: It is difficult for me to understand anyone who has risen to the O-6 pay grade not to understand what REAL combat is like.

You really need to do some serious reading on the subject. I suggest Eugene Sledge's “With the Old Breed: Peleliu and Okinawa” or Robert Leckie’s “Helmet for My Pillow” or “Strong Men Armed.”

Colonel Balliet rhapsodizes that “it's about time” and “I'd like to have had the chance”. Are you absolutely insane, woman? Let's talk about the numbers.

Has it occurred to you that infantry units in ground combat lose people and those deaths are not “Hollywood” kinds of deaths? These deaths are as gruesome as you can imagine: people are vaporized; people with heads, arms, legs blown off; people eviscerated with their internal organs spread around. In Eugene Sledge's K Company, they went into action with 240 men and came out with 5 still walking upright. So, Colonel, what exactly happened to the other 235? Do you envy them that they got a chance to experience “front line combat”?

One of the dirty little secrets in the military that no one talks about is the female “option”. If Suzie Soldier, Airman, Sailor, or Marine gets an assignment she doesn't like or doesn't want to do, Suzie gets pregnant. Pregnancy gets her a free ticket out and back to a nice, safe rear area so she can have her child [and about a year's duty in this safe duty station as she raises her new born]. Meanwhile, the unit she abruptly left gets no replacement for her and those remaining have to do her job besides their own.

Now imagine Sledge's K Company with 50 Suzie Marines who don't want to invade Peleliu or Okinawa so they get pregnant to avoid combat? That leaves 190 males to shoulder the load of the original 240 BEFORE the shooting actually starts. That's hardly fair, is it Colonel Balliet? You don't think females in infantry units would exercise the “option”, Colonel? The women already ARE exercising the “option” and the women aren't in combat arms, Colonel.

There's also another thing I notice about people like Colonel Balliet — it is officers who think front line combat is just wonderful because it gives them a resume enhancement for advanced promotion! I don't see a lot of senior and junior enlisted people clamoring for ground combat slots. Let me be blunt, Colonel Balliet. I have been on the sharp end of the spear and it is not a pretty place to be when the real crap hits the fan. This is not a “stepping stone” to an advanced promotion; this is a good way to get maimed, permanently disabled, or killed. You cannot get promoted if you're dead Colonel Balliet [or maimed or permanently disabled].

Let's be very frank, Colonel Balliet: infantry ground combat is an equal opportunity killer and respects neither gender nor rank. Anyone who looks on it as a fast track to advanced promotion is a bloody fool [or worse].

28 posted on 01/26/2013 5:58:49 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01
Oops. Typo: O-5 vice O-6. I promoted Nicole to full colonel where it was not warranted.
29 posted on 01/26/2013 6:03:26 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Just another way to weaken OUR military to appease the chi-coms!!!!


30 posted on 01/26/2013 6:55:49 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: MasterGunner01
"..it is officers who think front line combat is just wonderful because it gives them a resume enhancement for advanced promotion!"

That was my initial reaction when her name came up. The O-5 isn't going into combat.
Why don't these newspeople pick a random female E-3 or E-4 at the base PX and ask her what she thinks?

31 posted on 01/26/2013 6:57:10 AM PST by Anoreth (It's not a great party until someone loses rank.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
...Lt. Col. Nicole Balliet’s first reaction was, “Well, it’s about time!”

Hell, I'm 60 years old and a retired AF weenie. I still bet, sight unseen, that I can clean her clock in hand-to-hand and carry more than she can over a 5 mile hike.

32 posted on 01/26/2013 7:12:50 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

A man and a woman in the same foxhole? By all means; why should gays have all the fun?


33 posted on 01/26/2013 7:20:00 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: ansel12

Couldn’t agree more!


34 posted on 01/26/2013 7:56:53 AM PST by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: ansel12
Try humping 80lbs in your knapsack plus a Mortar Barrel,Baseplate, tripod and rounds to use in assembled weapon all of which add another 50 to 60 Lbs to your load. I have seen 200 lb men gasping for air and in agony trying to haul such loads. I don't believe for a minute that even 1% of woman could keep up with a typical weapons platoon squad.
35 posted on 01/26/2013 8:27:34 AM PST by ABN 505
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To: Venturer
Exactly

We had a guy on here the other day crowing about Marine daughter and then in the same breath stating they hoped she wouldn't get combat assignment

Women appear to join for career....like too many generals today

In WWII men apologized for being rear support and not actually in the fight like they were embarrassed

Women in harms way is unavoidable at times

But as frontline assault force.....that is ridiculous

36 posted on 01/26/2013 8:44:26 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

Any man who wish’s a combat assignment for his daughter is a friggin nutcase.

I don’t want my grandson to have to serve in combat, but if he has to he will.Not my grand daughter. I want her to be like my wife. A woman.


37 posted on 01/26/2013 9:24:43 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer; Travis McGee

We cannot have military based on who diesnt want to fight

Which is why integrating women into our male military has been a disaster

There are plenty more reasons too

Whats next....wheelchair combat

12 year old boys

My 7th grade boy is a crack shot full of vigor....lets give him a shot

To be FAIR and all

The age of lunacy my man.....ain’t it grand


38 posted on 01/26/2013 3:04:44 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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