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The Educational Tech Scam/ ( K-12 schools/ Common Core)
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/the_educational_tech_scam_comments.html#disqus_thread ^

Posted on 01/26/2013 5:05:09 AM PST by wintertime

The Common Core Standards are an educational reform movement initiated by the National Governors Assocation and intended to standardize the educational curricula of the states around a "coomon core" of knowledge required to function in modern society. Put that way, the initiative sounds fine, but as if often the case with educaitonal reforms, Common Core proponents have relied on bafflement and obfuscation to shut down inquiry by the paying public into the very political process of putting the initiative into action -- a process monetarily supported by private education corporations. Common Core tests (those used in Oklahoma were developed by a number of individuals and states in a consortium called PARCC; Partnership for Assessment of Readiness for College and Careers) are to be computer adaptive, leaving the paper and pencil tests of yesteryear behind in a cloud of perceived ineffectual dust. Due to their technologically intensive nature, concerns have been raised in a number of quarters over their costs, in no small part due to the technology necessary to administer the tests.

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KEYWORDS: commoncore; education; governors; nga

1 posted on 01/26/2013 5:05:18 AM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom
Another Reason to Homeschool.

I will not longer be using the acronym for “Another Reason to Homeschool” because a poster(s) just might have their mind in the gutter and find some pornographic meaning in it.

My recommendation to all Freepers is to never use acronyms because a Freeper with an opposing point of view will likely find an internet based dictionary that will define it as pornography. They will then run to the moderators in an effort to have one banned.

2 posted on 01/26/2013 5:09:57 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I find this article intriguing. The local school system that I have children in are definitely looking and are presently implementing laptops for high school freshmen and iPads for elementary children. Once complete with their education - the students keep the devices.

This is the 1st step into a larger scheme of maneuver. Once the technology is in place for all students (this area is undergoing a shift of people leaving due to non-jobs - lacking economic infrastructure) - they are looking at students only going to school like a college campus would have one go - like a MON/WED/FRI - schedule to where TUES and THUR will have the students stay home (who’s going to take care of them) or go to some sort of eLearning center to log-in, eat lunch, have some sort of over watch - while the parents work - but they will be able to continue to download/upload assignments - and will be self-motivated to complete their work. Basically, technology will replace the multitude of teachers down to just a core. They are looking at having large rooms where the students sit in front of their technology devices and learn - kinda like the movie - Wall-E where the people float around on chairs facing a flat screen while digesting liquid nourishment! Resulting in obese and UN-enlightened people.

At any rate - I see private sectors popping up to where children can go and get the same “home school” education from both person and technology in private eLearning Centers using programs like K12 - which is actually covered by a public school system and teacher.

So - who knows - but I do know, that the traditional classroom set-up is failing - over crowded - children have no common sense - no direction - rude - lack basic values - think more highly of Hollywood stars than they do about US history - and create false self-esteem online - only to discover that when they graduate - they aren’t so special and have no skills to be competitive in the global or national market.

These are all personal observations and actual facts - see what plans your school system has in place — a big conference was just held in Tampa, Fl covering this exact situation!!!


3 posted on 01/26/2013 5:31:51 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA; Gabz; shag377

When you say stupid/ ignorant/ just plain wrong things, we will call you on them.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 5:31:56 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: humblegunner

When you (wintertime) say stupid/ ignorant/ just plain wrong things, we will call you on them.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 5:34:02 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: BCW

These are very interesting observations.

Please post this on the American Thinker site so that your ideas can get wider circulation.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 5:45:12 AM PST by wintertime
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To: verga

Please remove my name from your ping lists. ( regardless of the content or references made in any of the posted pings.)

I have made this request numerous times.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 5:55:53 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Please explain how American Thinker provides wider circulation.

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8 posted on 01/26/2013 5:56:00 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: wintertime
A lot of ISP's survive on provided scandalous amount of bandwidth to schools just so the kids can play the myriad of stupid little games they find on line.

This is generally fine with the teachers because it keeps the little hellions out of real mischief.

It would be far better to remove the computers and calculators (which now also have games) from the schools.

Brains before processors.

9 posted on 01/26/2013 5:56:17 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Proud Thought Criminal since 1984)
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To: BCW
The local school system that I have children in are definitely looking and are presently implementing laptops for high school freshmen and iPads for elementary children.

but I do know, that the traditional classroom set-up is failing - over crowded - children have no common sense - no direction - rude - lack basic values - think more highly of Hollywood stars than they do about US history - and create false self-esteem online - only to discover that when they graduate - they aren’t so special and have no skills to be competitive in the global or national market.

This is the part that I don't get. Why subject children to failing, overcrowded schools that will not provide the education they need?

10 posted on 01/26/2013 6:00:16 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: wintertime

“Common core” is the new Gleichschaltung.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung

This NOT a Godwin’s Law violation, the analogy is completely appropriate.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 6:07:19 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Please, don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion.)
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To: wintertime
Please remove my name from your ping lists. ( regardless of the content or references made in any of the posted pings.) I am typing this very slowly so that maybe you will understand: I DON'T HAVE A PING LIST!

Is that clear enough for you. As YOU have said more times than I care to count it is a clear violation of netiquitte to not ping someone when you comment on their posts.

12 posted on 01/26/2013 6:11:18 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: wintertime

It is not really a good idea to use any word or acronym that is likely to be unfamiliar to your audience, with certain narrow exceptions. It is incumbent on the author to convey his thoughts clearly and unambiguously.

English are a remarkably expressive and precise language. It even has words for authors who blame their audience for not comprehending their message.


13 posted on 01/26/2013 6:16:37 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Please, don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion.)
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To: ALPAPilot

As I see it - the overcrowding is the result of low employment - or lack there of. Think about it. Say a city has 5 big factories, over time, and due in part to local and federal govt taxes/regulations - 3 of those factories shut down and leave. They end regular unemployment for those that come out of high school (majority of workers) - the support personnel (engineers, craftsman, skilled, college educated), and what ever taxes they were putting into the local economy (secondary employment: i.e WalMart, grocery, restaurants, etc.) - the schools housed their kids - but when a large segment went out of work - most choose to follow the work elsewhere - or move to places that had similar positions - the kids went with.

Now the school board has a huge loss of state funded revenue for public schools - and now have to shut 2 of the 5 elementary schools they have - move those students in already pressing classrooms uping the number per class - but those teachers from those schools are now out of work - plus the support personnel - so they must move to seek work for their skill set...

A ripple effect. But the national education people - realize that schools all across the nation - are dealing with the same issues - so - technology is introduced - plans are drawn up to move the majority of students into eLearning centers - cut back on teachers and staff - and overall save money - while on the surface - making offers like, “keep your laptop or iPad” — but where’s the education in the end???

Yes - looking at it at the beginning looks sweet - it’s following the road to the end is where you come up on the junk yard...these school systems are trying to survive - so students are pushed into overcrowding - while the school structure, buildings, and other maintenance issues are pushed to the side - they are trying to wait it out...for what - I have no idea...some magical fairy that will make everything okay...President Spicoli isn’t coming — he’s too busy buying pizza!

Does this make sense?


14 posted on 01/26/2013 6:22:57 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: verga

Please remove me from your ping lists **regardless of the content**

Please be polite and do this.


15 posted on 01/26/2013 6:29:13 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Indeed! I hadn’t considered the babysitting aspect ( for the teachers) of having computers in the schools.

Ultimately, though, it might lead to fewer jobs for teachers. Professional actors may be employed to play the role of teacher on professionally produced courses. The real teachers in the socialist-entitlement K-12 schools might be reduced to mere room monitors.

You should post your comments on American Thinker. Here is an addition problem for you. ( Joking)

Free Republic + American Thinker= ?

Answer: Wider circulation


16 posted on 01/26/2013 6:40:38 AM PST by wintertime
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To: BCW
If everything is 2X4, 4X8 and 16 inches on center, you can build anything anywhere ...

And EVERYthing can be INSPECTED by a trained monkey.

17 posted on 01/26/2013 6:51:04 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Yes, I completely agree with you.

Again:
My recommendation to all Freepers is to never use acronyms because a Freeper with an opposing point of view will likely find an internet based dictionary that will define it as pornography. They will then run to the moderators in an effort to have one banned.

18 posted on 01/26/2013 9:21:04 AM PST by wintertime
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To: BCW

Your posts very accurately describes the “education-industrial complex”.

Socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling is big business. In many counties ( such as the last two counties I lived in) socialist-entitlement schooling was the single largest employer in the county with the largest single payroll. No other business came even close to those government K-12 numbers.

So?...With so many sucking off the teat of the government socialist-entitlement school taxes, do you think this is an easy entrenchment to reform?

With so many socialist-entitlment school employees sitting in the pews do you think ministers will be willing to bite the hand putting money in the collection plate? By the way, I wonder how many ministers have spouses working for the schools?

Finally, Common Core will soon grow its cadre of Democrat-voting workers feeding, promoting, and upholding the education-industrial complex.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 9:30:39 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Please remove me from your ping lists **regardless of the content**

It is IMPOSSIBLE to remove you from a ping list that I DON"T HAVE.

Please have a 2nd grader explain this to you.

20 posted on 01/26/2013 10:02:55 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: wintertime

(1) With so many sucking off the teat of the government socialist-entitlement school taxes, do you think this is an easy entrenchment to reform?

Exactly! - Why reform - when you can dazzle. My fear in all this, is that schools across the US will say “reform” when the only thing they are doing is laying down technology - the outcomes will stay and remain the same - without teaching self-independence - competition - and awareness of the global world as compared to US traditional values. Just like the movie - Wall-E, was suppose to introduce children to the concept of technology is the answer (they mixed in emotions of a devastated world, but one where humans return to build again) That is a key emotion where the child walks away happy - but the underlining message is - prepare for technology to save you. This is what I’m seeing presently: children cannot write effectively - they do not understand cursive - they cannot think for themselves and only have short bursts of brain activity - they are non-aggressive and do not seek competition, but rather compliance as long as they can discuss trivial issues - but nothing complex. I have seen adults, with a basic HS education at age 40 write better than some kid graduating out of a recent honors program. This is a national security issue!

With so many socialist-entitlment school employees sitting in the pews do you think ministers will be willing to bite the hand putting money in the collection plate? By the way, I wonder how many ministers have spouses working for the schools? Alot - it seems. The ones in administration also have spouses in the teachers corp - actively participating in every level of what a kid should be learning - not what is required for a trustworthy citizen to be molded and sent out into the world fully equipped to analyze various situations. The majority of students graduating have no sense beyond their immediate peer group or Facebook page - they cannot even hold a basic conversation with another higher educated adult with world experience.

The problems will only escalate.


21 posted on 01/26/2013 10:05:31 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: verga
Verga,

I have been very plain about your pings to me. If you continue your action will say far more about you than they will about me.

Please, feel free to have the last word. I will not be responding further to any more of your pings that I have most politely and respectfully asked you not to send to me.

With the greatest respect and politeness,

Wintertime

22 posted on 01/26/2013 10:10:57 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

In the end, the K12 program of home schooling is what needs to be done. Where 1 parent watches a group of kids one day - then another - then another - all the while making sure assignments are instructed correctly - extra world views are taught - and take the child out of the public system. A parent who uses and takes advantage of home schooling - has shown that comparatively that student is at least 1 grade higher than their public schooled peers - if not more.

What can be accomplished in a home school environment in 6 hrs take the public school almost 3 times that amount of time - with no guarantee that the student actually can implement what was taught into real world situations. I have again, seen this personally.

When my wife retires, our daughter will be home schooled - and I see that she can make some money taking on at least another 5 children in the home environment.

No bullies - no shootings - no events of physical harm - and real world application of what is being taught in a very controlled and safe setting...this is where technology can link and cut off the public sector.

Almost like the small school house in the 1800’s - but resources and information much more available.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 10:11:37 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: wintertime
I have never once pinged you. I have replied to you, I know how you feel about Internet decorum and how impolite it would be to not put your name in the reply field.

Please really really try to understand that I have never had a ping list.

24 posted on 01/26/2013 10:13:37 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: BCW
No bullies - no shootings - no events of physical harm - Are you also going to restrict your child from going to Malls, Cinemas, parks or churches? I seem to recall several shootings, child abductions, and rapes occurring in those locations as well. Will you also restrict them from going to the inner city, there is always the potential for a drive by.
25 posted on 01/26/2013 10:24:27 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: BCW
Re: Homeschooling the children of others

In the past two states in which I have lived homeschooling the children of others was illegal. It was considered to be running a private school and all the health and safety rules ( for example wheelchair ramps) that applied to public access businesses applied.

Re: Dame schools

At one time in our nation the schools you describe ( a mom teaching her children and the children of others) were common in the U.S. They were put out of business by the socialist-entitlement school monopoly and cartel.

Re: Time it takes to homeschool

Indeed, my homeschooled children rarely spent more than two hours in formal homeschool. It took me ( the mom) from about 7 am to noon to homeschool 3 children. The rest of the time the children played. Gradually the child's play became their life's work. It was a fascinating process to watch unfold.

Re: School murders

Homeschooling families have far more control over the amount of time (and when) they will expose their children to gun free zone. My homeschool was never a gun free zone.

Re: Academic achievement of homeschooler

Children who have been homeschooled from the beginning far outshine, on average, their institutionalized peers.

Re: Your decision to homeschool

Congratulations! You won't regret it.

26 posted on 01/26/2013 11:42:43 AM PST by wintertime
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To: verga

My child (adopted) - the one that has some mental disabilities at this point from pass abuse - needs to stay away from public schools by the time she enters Middle School - upon her graduation of high school - my wife and I can determine whether she goes forward into other public settings - to make sure she doesn’t become a victim AGAIN - once grown up and educated - she’ll be far more worthy of dealing with those incidents you describe and hopefully make the proper and necessary arraignments to deal those possibilities.

That depends on her mental state — you not assume all elements are average - then again - perhaps I should have given clear examples of why we have made that determination until she reaches adulthood (physically and mentally)


27 posted on 01/26/2013 1:47:11 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: wintertime

The economic pressure to keep these public institutions are enormous - legislation may be brought up that once again allows this — if the eCenters cannot be built to accommodate children with 2 working parents - then parents are going to have to place their child with someone — it might be a agreement that has no pay attached to it - but where each household has a wireless connection - and it’s agreed that each parent (say 5 families) is there to be an adult that is present...nothing more...

I cannot see how the present sate of the both state and federal govt can maintain this expenditures on institutions that are not educating children - but only is a place for them to temporarily go during the day to hang out and self-teach through electronic programs...

I think someone in the trust of this was watching Star Trek!


28 posted on 01/26/2013 1:52:49 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: BCW
FYI, the student teacher ratio has been constantly declining, due to the demands of the teacher unions. There is no relationship with student performance.

Believe it or not, city schools are not under-funded. The average annual per-pupil expenditure is $12-15k. That's about $250,000 per year for a class of 20 students.

Where does the money go? 80-90% of the typical school budget goes to teacher salaries. In the cities, a large percentage goes to administration.

In Washington, D.C., for example, there are 100 times as many administrators per-pupil as in the parochial schools of the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C.

I used to head a school choice group, and am familiar with the stats. Don't expect the media to repeat them. Maybe Beck will someday.

29 posted on 01/26/2013 2:09:57 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: BCW
Government schooling is rotten day care, too!

They close at the first sign of a snow flake, They have long summer and holiday vacations, and the kids only get 6 to 7 hours. In some states, ( Maryland was one when we lived there) the teachers have a “preparation” hour so Wednesday was even shorter than the rest.

Honestly...If parents need day care I am confident that private vouchers schools ( institutional or home-based) could do a far better job of doing both schooling and day care than any government school in our county.

30 posted on 01/26/2013 2:22:28 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Common core” is the new Gleichschaltung.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I believe you are correct.

I wonder what the U.S. equivalent of the Reichstag Fire will be. ( I bet Obama was hoping Sandy Hook would be.)

31 posted on 01/26/2013 4:33:22 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime; St_Thomas_Aquinas

I know here in southern Indiana - the teachers are fading in what they could have done - to being nothing more than just there. Even the new governor of Indiana told the democrat elected Super of schools - to basically (piss off) - and as far as what each child is worth - it’s a little over $5400 for the year.

The schools here have gone to a longer day and school year. Plus, the salaries are being capped. The school systems are now under pressure to reform education to where the students must perform and show progress - or the teacher is going to lose their job. I think the public sector schools are now realizing that as good as technology is at bringing children into public schools so they can capture that $5400 - it can also just as well be used in a secure home setting.

As Winter has pointed out - she covered everything in great detail and had outstanding results for her children in a H/S environment...I have seen personally, that say for instance - the Middle School has 6 classes (50 min ea) - plus lunch - and a home room - where the day start at 7:50 - and ends at 3:10 - (7 hrs) - the kids come in - loud and rude - takes 20 minutes to get them settled - 20 minutes to instruct and give out home work - and the other 10 minutes dealing with interruptions through out the last 30 minutes...a complete waste of energy and time...and these kids think this is how the work and college environment should be - because that how they show up to work...

Go to a fast food restaurant lately where teenagers are working - and look at how the food is ordered - their tone of voice - and then the actual product...if one cannot take simple pride in constructing a chicken sandwich - how are they going to perform at a higher functioning position...???

I’ve stopped going to fast food this and other health concerns - but the point is - students used to take pride in their education and demand they be taught at a competitive level — that is absent and no one is calling to see what happened to it!

When these “lack of prepared” students hit the military service - geez...that’s a book in explanation...I’ve hundreds of soldiers and had to mentor and re-construct them in a combat environment — yrs of lacking from public sector schools = national security nightmare!


32 posted on 01/27/2013 4:48:00 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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