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Should Obama violate the Constitution to protect it?
msnbc ^ | january 14, 2013 | Faiven Feshazion

Posted on 01/26/2013 9:12:19 AM PST by lowbridge

Our government is guided by the U.S. Constitution, the vital document created over 200 years ago that includes founding ideals which protect civil liberties of Americans. With the help of appointed and elected government officials, the United States runs on a set of unchangeable principles and carefully added amendments.

Recently, the debt ceiling debate called into question the Constitution and how the president’s power is demarcated in the original text. The issue lies in whether or not President Obama should bypass Congress and make the executive decision to raise the spending limit.

It is not unprecedented to violate the Constitution deliberately, with good intention. In 1861, Abraham Lincoln used this path when he suspended habeas corpus in an effort to save the country during the civil war. In doing so, President Lincoln was successful in reuniting the government. On Saturday, host Melissa Harris-Perry and her panel discussed when it would be necessary for the Commander-in-Chief to trump the age-old document.

“The president needs to get his best legal advice and move forward [without Congress]” said Seton Hall University law professor Mark Alexander on Saturday’s Melissa Harris-Perry, urging that valuable time is being wasted in Washington debating the debt ceiling issue.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; melissaharrisperry; msnbc; obama; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills
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1 posted on 01/26/2013 9:12:21 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge
If the federal government doesn't feel compelled to follow the laws of the land, neither do I.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/26/2013 9:15:46 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lowbridge

Inside the fevered mind of the “progressive”. God protect us from these people.


3 posted on 01/26/2013 9:16:44 AM PST by skeeter
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To: lowbridge
IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH
4 posted on 01/26/2013 9:16:50 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: lowbridge

” . . . that valuable time is being wasted in Washington . . .”

I think we have a different definition of “valuable”. Would that those clowns in DC were to waste the next four years, and leave the rest of us alone.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 9:17:11 AM PST by Stosh
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To: lowbridge

Sometimes you have to destroy the village to save it?


6 posted on 01/26/2013 9:17:11 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: lowbridge

That is one of the worst titles of a thread I have ever seen.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 9:17:38 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: lowbridge

Racist and stupid is no way to go through life.


8 posted on 01/26/2013 9:18:34 AM PST by mort56
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To: lowbridge

And to think Americans used to chuckle at Pravda.

Not even the pretense of a free press. A state run media that would make any dictator proud.


9 posted on 01/26/2013 9:18:41 AM PST by phoneman08 (Reagan conservative union member. Not a s rare as you think!)
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To: lowbridge

Not surprised it’s come to this.

Major difference is Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, an Article I power, because Congress was not in session in April, 1861 and copperheads were burning down railroad bridges in Baltimore to keep Union troops from reaching Washington.

What’s Obama’s emergency?


10 posted on 01/26/2013 9:21:04 AM PST by kjo (+)
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To: lowbridge

So, I guess it’s official now. We’re at CWII. According to this author, Ogumbo is Lincoln reborn and must ignore the constitution in order to save the nation....or something...


11 posted on 01/26/2013 9:22:43 AM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: kjo
What’s Obama’s emergency?

Getting his full communists dictatorship in force with him as King.

12 posted on 01/26/2013 9:24:21 AM PST by Logical me
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To: lowbridge

Faiven Feshazion. Know this name. Find this man. He is a clear and present danger to America, and he is no less than a Domestic Enemy of the Constitution.


13 posted on 01/26/2013 9:24:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz

Faiven Feshazion turns out to be a woman.


14 posted on 01/26/2013 9:26:00 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: lowbridge

The only thing nobama “should” do is resign immediately and turn him self into Leavenworth to find a solitary cell in which to spend the rest of his worthless existence.


15 posted on 01/26/2013 9:26:54 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: lowbridge
Obama-the-Undocumented-cheating-Tyrant cares as much
for the Constitution as he does for all true Americans.


16 posted on 01/26/2013 9:27:26 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: lowbridge

That’s a great title...if you’re intention is to plant a whole new crop of propaganda. “Gee whiz. Daddy wants to follow the constitution very badly. But some in congress won’t let him so Daddy will have to fix the boo boo himself. This is what GOOD Daddy’s do.”


17 posted on 01/26/2013 9:29:08 AM PST by albie
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To: lowbridge
Wouldn't that be like raping a woman to keep her safe and secure?

If Zero decides to violate the Constitution (some more) to try to subvert the 2nd Amendment, I predict that record numbers of citizens violate his edicts from the get-go instead of waiting for the courts to settle it. And if the courts choose wrong, I would guess that a large number of citizens will take it upon themselves to stop obeying a number of unconstitutional "laws". Perhaps this is the event horizon we need to regain some semblance of what the Founders set up.

18 posted on 01/26/2013 9:29:21 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Don Corleone

Exactly.

Obama has already done enough things against the Constitution and against the law to be impeached.
F&F and Benghazi just to mention two things.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 9:29:52 AM PST by Venturer
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To: kjo
They also conveniently forget that the 5th Amendment which applies to Habeaus Corpus has this clause:...except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger..
20 posted on 01/26/2013 9:30:46 AM PST by mnehring
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To: lowbridge

Violate the Constitution deliberately, with good intention.

Only a progressive has logic like that,spin isn’t dead.


21 posted on 01/26/2013 9:30:46 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: lowbridge

I’ve been waiting for the Supreme Court to declare the Constitution Unconstitutional.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 9:32:04 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: skeeter

GoodLord. When Lincoln took those desperate measures, he at least had the excuse of a savage war that he had to win or else! Obama’s only excuse is to provide an executive honey pot he can use to buy votes.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 9:32:29 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: kjo
What’s Obama’s emergency?

Wreckers.

24 posted on 01/26/2013 9:34:10 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If the federal government doesn't feel compelled to follow the laws of the land, neither do I.

That's how I feel.
25 posted on 01/26/2013 9:34:57 AM PST by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: Don Corleone

I really like that idea. Lets do it!


26 posted on 01/26/2013 9:38:30 AM PST by An Old Man (IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH)
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To: Don Corleone

I really like that idea. Lets do it!


27 posted on 01/26/2013 9:38:39 AM PST by An Old Man (IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH)
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To: lowbridge

The sad thing is that neither party is willing to stand up to him.


28 posted on 01/26/2013 9:42:36 AM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: lowbridge

Let’s just defund and get rid of the the office of the president....to protect it.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 9:43:27 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: lowbridge

I wonder how quickly these leftists would recoil in horror if the same question were asked when Bush was in office.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 9:43:55 AM PST by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: lowbridge

I don’t think that added violation of our Constitution would be quite enough to trigger a shooting war - yet. It would, however, trigger widespread violations of federal law as it destroyed a significant part of our remaining respect for the rule of law.


31 posted on 01/26/2013 9:44:56 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: lowbridge
Abraham Lincoln used this path when he suspended habeas corpus in an effort to save the country during the civil war.Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Habeus Corpus is a prviledge, not a right

32 posted on 01/26/2013 9:46:58 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: lowbridge
BEHOLD! The power of stupid.

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33 posted on 01/26/2013 9:51:38 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Wow, I’m speechless!


34 posted on 01/26/2013 10:02:40 AM PST by TsonicTsunami08
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To: cripplecreek

Oh, please tell me this is satire! Lol.......


35 posted on 01/26/2013 10:07:38 AM PST by PoplarBluffian
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To: TsonicTsunami08

LOL

Please withhold my name because I’m an idiot.


36 posted on 01/26/2013 10:10:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mort56

Lol


37 posted on 01/26/2013 10:25:02 AM PST by axxmann (If McCain is conservative then I'm a freakin' anarchist.)
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To: lowbridge

38 posted on 01/26/2013 10:40:00 AM PST by matt1234
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To: lowbridge

Henhouse meet fox.


39 posted on 01/26/2013 10:49:04 AM PST by stboz
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To: lowbridge

If there is no Constitution, there are no laws in this lawless land. Is that something the fools at msnbc are ready to live with?


40 posted on 01/26/2013 10:59:30 AM PST by pallis
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To: Venturer

I wonder if the average citizen even realizes such.


41 posted on 01/26/2013 11:15:22 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: lowbridge
1861.

(From Internet sources.)

When a man confined at Fort McHenry sued for a writ of habeas corpus Chief Justice Roger Taney ordered the government to show cause why the man should not be released. The Chief Justice was advised that the writ of habeas corpus had been suspended.

Taney issued an attachment -- law Legal seizure of property or a person. The writ ordering such a seizure -- for the commandant of Fort McHenry but the marshals were denied admission to the fort.

Taney then "issued an opinion in the case declaring that the President alone did not have the authority to suspend the writ of habeas corpus-only Congress could do that-and holding that Merryman's [the man at Ft. McHenry] confinement was illegal. The Chief Justice, knowing that he could not enforce his order, sent a copy of it to Lincoln."

Lincoln was not impressed and other victims -- mayors, police chiefs, journalists, everyone -- soon followed.

Lincoln said about writ of habeas corpus: should everything fail because that one law "made in such extreme tenderness of the citizens' liberty that practically it relieves more of the guilty than of the innocent . . . [cannot] to a very limited extent be violated?" You want "the government itself go to pieces?"

The federal government we got now? Yes!

Void the bowels of Washington!

42 posted on 01/26/2013 11:37:15 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: lowbridge

Does ANYONE drug test anymore?


43 posted on 01/26/2013 11:42:48 AM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: lowbridge

Does ANYONE drug test anymore?


44 posted on 01/26/2013 11:43:14 AM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: Don Corleone

IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH>>>IMPEACH

This situation definitely requires at least four impeachments.


45 posted on 01/26/2013 11:46:36 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: cripplecreek

That person rself is scareally believes what she wrote. That in itself is scary..


46 posted on 01/26/2013 11:48:09 AM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: cardinal4

Stupid laptop, lets try it again..
It is scary that the person who wrote that silliness really believes it..


47 posted on 01/26/2013 11:50:43 AM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: cripplecreek

ROTFL. I think the paper has been had.


48 posted on 01/26/2013 12:01:44 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: kjo

Obama’s emergency is the ticking clock.


49 posted on 01/26/2013 12:07:02 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: lowbridge

The MSNBC retard assumes the Constitution needs saving. It doesn’t. It is just fine. It’s we the people who need to reign in government. We need saving from a tyrannical government.


50 posted on 01/26/2013 12:09:33 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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