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Carlsbad Republican's bill prohibiting abortion after rape, incest draws ire and ridicule
www.santafenewmexican.com ^ | Thursday, January 24, 2013 | Steve Terrell

Posted on 01/26/2013 10:37:42 AM PST by redreno

An abortion bill introduced in the state House of Representatives by a Carlsbad Republican caused a political uproar in New Mexico and got some national notoriety Thursday — though the bill’s sponsor says it’s all a misunderstanding.

Rep. Cathrynn Brown’s House Bill 206, as written, would subject a victim of rape or incest to possible felony prosecution for obtaining an abortion. It equated termination of a pregnancy in these situations with “tampering with evidence.”

Her bill says, “Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: abortion; cultureofcorruption; dnctalkingpoints; incest; moralabsolutes; pravdamedia; prolife; rape; statesrights; yellowjournalism

1 posted on 01/26/2013 10:38:01 AM PST by redreno
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To: redreno

Rape is the only crime where the greatest penalty is imposed on one of the victims. At most the rapist gets prison time and the unborn gets the death penalty.

It makes Sharia law seem almost sane in comparison.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 10:41:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: redreno

Texas has laws making it a crime to drive fast to get your child with a severed artery to the hospital. Oh the huge manatee.


3 posted on 01/26/2013 11:47:04 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: cripplecreek

The constant screw ups by idiot Republicans regarding rape is inexcusable.

Young woman now view the Republicans as the pro rape party. This is what Jindal was talking about when he called the Republicans the stupid party. As Karen Hughes said the next Republican that screws up a rape question should have their tounge torn out.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 11:49:13 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Blackirish
Somebody commits a crime and a baby gets the death penalty for it. Seems fair to me. /s
5 posted on 01/26/2013 12:11:11 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Blackirish

Where is there a screw up of any kind here?

Dishonest coverage by the liberal press constitutes a screw up?


6 posted on 01/26/2013 12:33:02 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: fella

If a pack of urban youths did that to someone I loved, I’d feed her plan-B and RU-486 like they were peanut m&m’s.
Common freakin’ sense.

Life ain’t always fair.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 12:33:08 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: fella

Fair or not forcing a woman who’s been raped to carry the baby to term is never going to happen in our lifetimes. Heck NY State is about to allow abortion in 8th month for any reason at all. That’s a battle we should be fighting. These idiots are wiping out all the progress the pro life movement has made in the past 10 years winning over hearts and minds.


8 posted on 01/26/2013 12:34:45 PM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: MrEdd

The stupid legislator made it worse by going on TV and saying that the person who wrote the bill for her screwed up the language.
Thats what her job is.

Sick of legislators incapable of actually writing a bill. Thats the root of 99% of the crappy 2000 page laws we are living under today.


9 posted on 01/26/2013 12:38:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
"If a pack of urban youths did that to someone I loved..."

I've thought a but about this topic over the last year or so. There comes a point where the rapist does not have the right to force an unwilling partner to ensure they got to procreate.

If I were in a position to make law; I would allow abortion in such a circumstance if the victim chose, and then charge the rapist(s) with 1st degree murder for it.

There is already legal precedent for crimes where an expectant mother getting injured/killed has resulted in additional charges for the harm to the unborn.

10 posted on 01/26/2013 12:45:56 PM PST by Sam's Army
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To: DesertRhino

No, life indeed isn’t fair.

Look at you for example.

All those years of school and utterly incapable of understanding the phrase “with the intent”.

Sad really.

I feel for your poor family.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 12:50:41 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Blackirish

Planned Parenthood is the pro-rape organization. They have repeatedly been caught on tape coaching minors how to lie when seeking an abortion so that the ADULT MALE RAPIST who impregnated them is not charged for his crime so he may victimize again. Then again, he’s probably the one paying PP’s bills.


12 posted on 01/26/2013 12:58:47 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: redreno
Her bill is actually almost clear as written:
“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.
If the woman chose to have an abortion, it would clearly not be to "destroy evidence of the crime".

And "facilitating an abortion" isn't what the woman does, she HAS the abortion. You could argue that the woman "procures" her own abortion, but that term generally refers to another person involved in the action.

The problem is that, outside the evil of abortion itself, there is a clear WAR ON WOMEN -- the perpetrators of sexual assault, and also men who engage in consensual sex with adult women, then use their power over the women, and maybe the threat, or the use, of physical or mental trauma, to force the women to get abortions that the women do not want.

But the liberals love killing babies so much that they will refuse to consider any laws that would help women who are being forced against their will to kill their own children.

This even though the same liberal groups will publicly declare that women are easily coerced, and need special protection, when it comes to relationships -- for example, laws on the books which protect "battered women", which means women who are abused by men, but who don't come forward, or even defend their men, because they are by nature unable to stand up to the male of the species.

So on the one hand, we make special laws that take into account the way men can force women to do things they don't want to do, but on the other hand, we completely deny the possibility that a man might force a woman to have an abortion.

If abortion was illegal, or course, it would be a powerful aid to prevent women from being forced into one.

13 posted on 01/26/2013 1:07:39 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sam's Army

I like your idea just fine.


16 posted on 01/26/2013 1:34:05 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
If a pack of urban youths did that to someone I loved, I’d feed her plan-B and RU-486 like they were peanut m&m’s. Common freakin’ sense.

I look at it this way. As a husband and father, could I raise the child of the man who raped my wife?

No, I couldn't.

And I imagine the men who could are in the vast minority which is why the whole notion of a total ban on abortion is political suicide --even among those who otherwise call themselves "pro-life". Hypocracy? Perhaps. But that's the way it is.

17 posted on 01/26/2013 1:45:01 PM PST by Drew68
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To: DesertRhino

Hey, I didn’t attack you in any way shape or form. I actually expressed sympathy for your lack of vocabulary.

Unless, of course, you were being personally dishonest and you understood full well what the bill actually says.

I guess not falling for poorly concieved manipulation to advance the cause of chopping up inconvenient babies might be considered an attack by perverts who hold that as their highest value even when done to hide a crime.

No problem


18 posted on 01/26/2013 1:50:14 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd; DesertRhino

Cool it guys. Time to end this flamewar.
Thanks.


20 posted on 01/26/2013 2:00:34 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Drew68
I look at it this way. As a husband and father, could I raise the child of the man who raped my wife?

No, I couldn't.

Would you find int in your heart to put the child up for adoption? Or would you rather just kill it before it's born?

21 posted on 01/26/2013 2:10:01 PM PST by Jean S
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To: DesertRhino

But shouldn’t they pass this bill before finding out what’s in it?


22 posted on 01/26/2013 2:12:42 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: redreno

I wish people would learn to read. The bill does not forbid abortion in cases of rape. It forbids aborting the fetus and destroying it when doing so means destroying evidence of the rape. As in not whether in happened but as in securing DNA to prove who the rapist is.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 3:10:39 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Jean S

If he were my husband, it would not be his choice to make. I would take the morning-after pill. Why in the world would I even wait around for a couple of weeks to find out if I was pregnant after such a violation? Of course I wouldn’t. Good grief.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 3:39:37 PM PST by MollyGoose
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To: Jean S
Would you find it in your heart to put the child up for adoption? Or would you rather just kill it before it's born?

It wouldn't be up to me. I wasn't the one who got raped.

25 posted on 01/26/2013 3:43:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: MollyGoose
Good grief.

Good grief to you too. Life begins at conception.

26 posted on 01/26/2013 3:58:18 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Drew68
The Choice.
28 posted on 01/26/2013 4:03:08 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: lastchance
I wish people would learn to read. The bill does not forbid abortion in cases of rape. It forbids aborting the fetus and destroying it when doing so means destroying evidence of the rape.

Sounds like splitting hairs to me. Anyways, who cares? Republicans really need to drop this abortion/rape crap. For Chrissakes, just stop talking about it! It's nothing but a loser. This idiocy cost us two sure-thing Senate seats last year and at least one more in 2010. Let it go. Nobody's buying it.

29 posted on 01/26/2013 6:47:46 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68; EternalVigilance

Here’s the thing. Why am I pro-life? Why are you pro-life in most cases? I’m pro-life for one reason, probably the same reason you are. I’m pro-life because the child is a person. As a person, I believe that person has a right to life under the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution. That doesn’t change in the hard cases. That baby never asked to be here, is innocent of all crimes, and the baby belongs as much to the mother, more to the mother, than to the piece of excrement that donated his sperm. He/she doesn’t deserve to die by being chopped to bits inside his/her mother’s womb in some dirty Planned Parenthood clinic.

On another forum I used to post on, there was a guy who was liberal on every issue out there except abortion. He at first supported abortion in the case of rape, but he looked at the logical inconsistency of his position, and he realized he was pro-life because of his belief that the unborn child is a person, and as the unborn child is a person, he/she has a right to life...even in the hard cases.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 10:54:13 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: redreno

If abortion takes a human life, then it is murder and should be treated as such. The tragedy of rape doesn’t make it okay. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Why can’t people be nice?


31 posted on 01/27/2013 12:26:28 AM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Blackirish
Young woman now view the Republicans as the pro rape party. This is what Jindal was talking about when he called the Republicans the stupid party. As Karen Hughes said the next Republican that screws up a rape question should have their tounge torn out.

If true, then young women are idiots who have been fatally brainwashed by the Left. If speaking plain truth is 'stupid", then count me as one who appreciates "stupid". A few have made some stupid slips, but they are only leveraged because society has fallen into an immoral morass of a cesspool - all the righteousness in the world can't fight that.

32 posted on 01/27/2013 3:08:55 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Drew68
Anyways, who cares?

If a politician doesn't care about the equal rights of the child, he most certainly isn't going to care much, if at all, about your rights.

33 posted on 01/27/2013 4:51:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: trebb

These weren’t stupid slips. These were factually incorrect,misogynistic and incredibly destructive not just to their own campaigns but to the whole pro life movement. Akin was the worst. He had time to be a patriot drop out and give the seat over to someone who could have won but he and his gtasping family couldn’t let go.


34 posted on 01/27/2013 8:37:55 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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