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Public Schools and the Decline of Christianity in America Indoctrination/ ( Conservatives WAKE UP!)
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Posted on 01/26/2013 12:46:21 PM PST by wintertime

Public Schools and the Decline of Christianity in America Indoctrination

Public Schools and the Decline of Christianity in America Indoctrination

This video is 2 minutes 43 seconds. The title is self-explanatory. Our nation's children are not attending religiously neutral schools. They are forced to attend (and taxpayers are under police threat to fund) government owned and run ATHEIST schools.

Government owned and run, socialist-entitlement, single-payer K-12 schools have never been, and are not now, religiously, politically, or culturally neutral.

Please remember that it is ***impossible** to live in a philosophic state of religious neutrality. All humans must choose between either a godless or God-centered worldview. All schools must choose one of these religiously non-neutral worldviews in which to develop their curriculum and school policies. Government schools, must as well.

Conservatives! PLEASE WAKE UP!

Government school indoctrination threatens our nation's freedom. Organize with others. Work to shut down the government owned and run socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and godless schools. Let's begin the process of privatizing K-12 education in this nation. Work toward complete separation of school and state.

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Children who attend socialist-entitlement, compulsory, and single-payer government schools risk learning to be comfortable with socialism and government compulsion. All it took to elect Franklin D. Roosevelt ,with his alphabet agencies and compulsory socialist programs, was 1 to 3 generations of voters being taught to be comfortable with socialist compulsion in their compulsory attendance and socialist-entitlement government schools.

In today's godless government schools the children **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must at least while they are cooperating in their godless classroom. How could it be otherwise?

Finally, today's modern government K-12 socialist-entitlement and single-payer schools resemble prisons and in many ways children are being treated like prisoners. Children who attend government prison-like schools risk learning to be comfortable government prisoners! What will **that** look like in a few decades as these citizens go to their voting booths?

1 posted on 01/26/2013 12:46:28 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Another Reason to Homeschool.

I used to use the acronym for this ping list occasionally. Not any more! Its seems some posters find pornography in the most innocent places and I don't dare risk being banned.

2 posted on 01/26/2013 12:48:53 PM PST by wintertime
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Every child should understand that K12 educators were not themselves the most accomplished students.


3 posted on 01/26/2013 1:00:35 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: wintertime

Any conservatives who have not yet had children should not bring children into this world until they are sure they can either home school or send their child to a conservative private school.

This is just one of the conservative campaigns that needs to be launched in the next two to three years. Pull children out of the system of left wing indoctrination en masse. The best part is, the less students in the public system, the less teachers (mostly communist) will be able to get jobs spewing their garbage. Good riddance. Conservatives also need to start pressuring state government to stop taxing those who do not use the public education system to pay for it. I don’t want the crappy service. I don’t want to pay for it.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 1:23:33 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon
Conservatives also need to start pressuring state government to stop taxing those who do not use the public education system to pay for it. I don’t want the crappy service. I don’t want to pay for it.

Bump that!

5 posted on 01/26/2013 1:26:43 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Viennacon
Conservatives also need to start pressuring state government to stop taxing those who do not use the public education system to pay for it. I don’t want the crappy service. I don’t want to pay for it.
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Why should we be FORCED by threat of police and court action to fund a government godless indoctrination system that is **FUNDAMENTALLY** a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination?

Where are the class action lawyers?

Here's a possible legal strategy:

All government owned and run schools violate the First Amendment and freedom of conscience: Why?

1) Government schools are not religiously neutral. They never have been, are not now, and never can be. Why? Because religious neutrality is an impossible state of mind. All sentient humans ( and **all** schools) must choose between either a godless or God-centered worldview. Neither of these worldview is neutral in content or consequences. No child should be FORCED by means of police and court threat to attend these religiously NON-neutral government schools. No taxpayer should be FORCED by threat of police and court action to fund these schools.

2) All schools must control speech, press, assembly, and expression of religion to maintain order and safety. ( Prisons do, too.) When government runs and owns compulsory-use socialist schools, the government violates the speech, press, assembly, and religious expression of the child. In many ways the government treats children ( whose only crime was to be born) as a prisoner. No child should be FORCED by threat of police and court action to be treated this way by the government. No citizen should be under the threat of police and court action to fund it.

3) Isn't is a Constitutional violation to imprison people who have committed no crime and march them about like prisoners. Our nation's government K-12 schools are increasingly prison-like. Students ( who are people) are being **arrested** for child-like behavior that at one time was treated as an incidental learning moment. With increased police presence in the schools, especially after the recent shooting, this prison-like treatment and criminalization of childhood will only grow worse.

No child should be forced to attend these non-neutral government indoctrination centers. No citizen should be forced under threat of police action to fund this abomination!

Fundamentally.....Government owned and run socialist-entitlement, single-payer, godless, and compulsory schooling is a a freedom of conscience and First Amendment ABOMINATION!

6 posted on 01/26/2013 1:40:27 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

>>Please remember that it is ***impossible** to live in a philosophic state of religious neutrality. All humans must choose between either a godless or God-centered worldview. All schools must choose one of these religiously non-neutral worldviews in which to develop their curriculum and school policies. Government schools, must as well.<<

ABSOLUTELY true! The Founding Fathers knew that and built the USA on a BIBLICAL world view! We need to once again be an unashamedly CHRISTIAN nation. God’s law need to be OUR CIVIL LAW.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 1:46:37 PM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: Gene Eric
There are, at minimum, at least a half-dozen of my neighbors who could run a better school from their **homes** than any institutional school run in our county by the government. All these neighbors have educations, business, and life experience ( as well as SAT, ACT, and GRE scores) far **superior** to that of any of our teachers now in our county's system of socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and GODLESS schools. And...None of my neighbors would even think to teach the gay agenda.

Seriously? Why should any home-based school have more health and safety regulations than the ordinary home-centered **day care**? ( ?????!!!!!)

Imagine the savings to the parents and taxpayers if we didn't have to support all that brick and mortar, and PRISON-like, infrastructure? Imagine the choice? Think of the innovations that would emerge?

8 posted on 01/26/2013 1:50:39 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Here's more good info....

About John Dewey - Communist Hero of the Public Schools!

9 posted on 01/26/2013 1:54:37 PM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Gene Eric

“Every child should understand that K12 educators were not themselves the most accomplished students.”


That may not be a problem.

The best students do not necessarily make the best teachers. They don’t understand why some people are having trouble with what they have always found so easy.

My sister was a great middle school teacher, but only an average student. She grew into her greatness as an adult, with life experience. I have a law degree from U.C. Berkeley and am very proficient at reading and writing, yet I did a lousy job when I tried to be an adult literacy tutor. Now, when I help my kids with English homework, it is still tough to be effective at it, because the building blocks of learning are smaller and more numerous than I think they should be.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 1:57:51 PM PST by married21
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To: wintertime

What’s worse is that the Christian schools are over run with liberal/socialists teachers.

For the life of me, I don’t know how anyone who calls themselves a Christian can vote democrat.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 2:02:08 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Gene Eric

Gene Eric,

One more thing:

If any of our neighbors were to run a home-based school, none of these schools would be a “gun free zone”!

By the way, home based schools were once common in the U.S. They were called dame schools. Our literacy rate was far higher then, too.


12 posted on 01/26/2013 2:11:46 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Marcella

ping


13 posted on 01/26/2013 2:20:16 PM PST by STYRO (Hope you takers don't expect us producers to defend you. War sucks most for the losers.)
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To: dragonblustar
My daughter taught math in a Catholic elementary school. ALL of the teachers and the principal, except my daughter, voted for Obama. My daughter's math class was the **only** class that held a regular lesson and did NOT watch Obama’s 2008 inauguration.

This is a **Catholic** school and Obama voted THREE times to deny care to infants who survived an abortion.

14 posted on 01/26/2013 2:26:51 PM PST by wintertime
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To: married21
My sister was a great middle school teacher,
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Was this a government school?

Do great teachers **willingly** take a job with a government school where the government FORCES a child to think and reason godlessly? Children in the godless government classrooms must do this just to cooperate in the godless classroom. How could it be otherwise? Would a “great” teacher do that to a child against the child's will, the parent's will, and that of the taxpayers FORCED to pay for this religious abomination.

Do great teachers **willingly** seek a job in a compulsory, socialist-entitlement, and single-payer government schools where the child is at risk of learning to be comfortable with socialism? Gee! If the voting mob can give a child tuition-free schooling, do you think the child might figure out that the voting mob can give him **lots** of free stuff ? Do great teachers do this to children?

Government schools violate every First Amendment Right ( as do prisons). In many ways children are treated like prisoners in their modern prison-like schools. They risk learning to be comfortable with government compulsion and being prisoners of the state. Do “great” teachers willing support and seek work in such abominable government institutions?

Just wondering.

15 posted on 01/26/2013 2:37:21 PM PST by wintertime
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
I can hardly think of any human activity that is culturally, politically, or religiously neutral in content or consequences.

Therefore......That is why our Founding Fathers wanted government to be as minimal as possible and as locally controlled as possible. Anything that the government does can not be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral in content or consequences.

Government schooling is a MAJOR abomination when it comes to the First Amendment and freedom of conscience. When there **are** alternatives to government run and owned schooling that have been proven to be superior, there can be no valid argument for allowing them to continue.

By the way....I have noticed that there is a strong similarity between the arguments used to defend government schooling and those used to defend slavery in the 19th century.

Do an experiment.

Each time the word “public school” is used in a defense of government schooling, substitute the word, “slavery” or “slave”. It is AMAZING how suddenly they become the same debating points used by supporters of slavery before the Civil War.

16 posted on 01/26/2013 2:52:15 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Here’s a revolutionary idea: Turn off the TV, stop chasing Mammon, quit remodeling your kitchen and take an hour off to attend a local school board meeting. Commies are in classrooms brainwashing children because conservatives are too damn lazy to get involved in local government. The Founders warned you that liberty requires vigilance. You failed. What are you gonna do about it?


17 posted on 01/26/2013 3:12:56 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: sergeantdave

Regarding: School board meetings

What a waste of time. It is impossible to reform socialist-entitlement, godless, compulsory, and single payer programs. And...Government schooling is the very definition of a socialist-entitlement, single-payer, compulsory, godless, price-fixed, and cartel monopoly program.

Solution: Abolish the school boards and work to shut down socialist-entitlement, single-payer schooling. Begin the process of privatizing K-12 schooling.

While our Founders wanted and educated citizenry they would be appalled at out system of government owned and run socialist-entitlement, godless, and single-payer schools. They are producing godless and socialist voters but certainly NOT educated citizens.


18 posted on 01/26/2013 3:23:50 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Parents are responsible for the education of their children. The government should STAY OUT of what is entirely a family matter. The type and amount of education children need should be determined entirely by the head of the household. Period.

In the absence of SOCIALIST schools parents would, in most cases, band together (probably with the help of churches) to facilitate the education of their kids. But whether or not they do that - and the extent to which it is done or not done - is, again, entirely up to each family.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 3:39:11 PM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: wintertime

Satanists Plan Rally in Support of Florida Gov. Rick Scott

The Satanic Temple is planning its first major rally, which will be held in support of Florida Gov. Rick Scott later this month for — which might sound ironic — signing a bill that allows for the possibility of prayer in public schools.

The religion’s founder Neil Bricke, who is based in New York, is expected to speak at the rally. Bricke uses an assumed name for Satanic-related business and would not reveal his real name to ABC News. The group also hopes to open a temple in New York in the next few months.

It may be telling that the Satanic temple will be located in New York and the group’s first rally, scheduled for Jan. 25, will be held in Florida.

“New York is a pretty good place for Satanism. Florida is too,” said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves.

The Florida bill that has delighted the Satanists is Senate Bill 98 and gives students “sole discretion in determining whether an inspirational message is to be delivered” at a student assembly. The bill prohibits school officials from participating in or influencing whether an inspirational message will be delivered.

Satanists feel that the policy “does a lot to support religious diversity,” according to Greaves.

“The Satanic Temple embraces the free expression of religion, and Satanists are happy to show their support of Rick Scott who — particularly with SB 98 — has reaffirmed our American freedom to practice our faith openly, allowing our Satanic children the freedom to pray in school,” the Temple said in a release announcing the rally.

“This is a great country. Everyone has a voice,” Gov. Scott’s press secretary wrote in an email to ABCNews.com when asked about the rally.

Greaves said that Satanism is an “unjustly maligned” religion.

“I think that Satanism is the very definition of a marginalized or misunderstood religion,” Greaves told ABCNews.com. “People don’t think of Satanism as being a compassion-based religion in the least, and they usually associate it with anti-human behavior.”

Members of the religion believe that Satan “has the compassion and wisdom of an angel,” according to the religion’s website. They believe that God is perfect and outside the sphere of the physical, so Satan presides over the universe as his “proxy.”

This is the religion’s first major rally and Greaves said that while many followers have expressed online interest in attending, he does not know how many will be at the rally. He also does not know the exact number of followers the religion has, but says it is in the “thousands” based on online activity from around the world.

The Satanic Temple formed in 2012. When their building opens in New York, Greaves said, “We would be the only real, active Satanic church that actually holds public services.”


How long until this is promoted in public schools?


20 posted on 01/26/2013 3:39:51 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

It’s already being promoted. It’s called Islam. ( Tongue firmly in cheek here.)

Anyway...You can bet that Satanism will be given loving support in out socialist-entitlemen and single payer schools. It’s a diversity thing, you see! /s


21 posted on 01/26/2013 3:45:39 PM PST by wintertime
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22 posted on 01/26/2013 3:48:33 PM PST by narses
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23 posted on 01/26/2013 3:48:53 PM PST by narses
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Only a few generations ago the idea that education was a family responsibility was commonly known and accepted.

A few generations of socialist-entitlement and secular godless indoctrination has now produced a citizenry that can scarcely wrap their minds around that fundamental truth.

24 posted on 01/26/2013 3:49:18 PM PST by wintertime
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25 posted on 01/26/2013 3:49:52 PM PST by narses
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To: STYRO

I can’t speak to schools the way they are today. I was an associate school psychologist//psychological examiner for many years before I went into private practice, and schools during my time were conservative. Remember, it was in Texas so that made a difference. The last school system I was in was in the NASA area south of Houston and every school was serious about math and the sciences.

Today, I don’t know, except this county where I am now is very conservative.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 3:51:10 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: wintertime

The commieTARDS try to say there is a “societal interest” in making sure kids are educated to a certain (state-determined) standard. But I have news for them. I have ZERO stake in whether or not their kids learn to read and they have no stake in whether mine learn to read. It’s a family matter and the government should have no role.

I also have no interest in having any kids in my care exposed to secular humanist ideas on the way to learning the to read, write and do math.

The socialist commie schools teach evolution AS FACT. They teach the old-Earth theory AS FACT. They teach nonsense about biology that reserves NO ROLE for the supernatural nature of human life. They teach about antibiotics, but not the power or prayer for healing. They teach the “mechanics” of the body without teaching about the immortal soul that powers life itself!


27 posted on 01/26/2013 3:59:26 PM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: Marcella
schools during my time were conservative.
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Given your training and education surely you can see that people in a culture often can not see the culture they are swimming in. They are like fish in water who are unaware of the water that gives them oxygen.

Sadly, most of the time when I say to people that their child's local government school is a socialist and single payer entitlement ( and **godless**) they look at me as if I have grown cucumber out of my ear. Really they do. They simply, mentally or culturally, can NOT process my statement. ( Not Freepers, thankfully.)

Well...Government owned and run socialist-entitlement schooling is like that. It is amazing that many who attended them swear that they were “conservative”. The truth is that by merely supporting, upholding, and enabling a **fundamentally** socialist-entitlement and single payer system of education delivery that the people staffing these institutions were NOT teaching conservative principles. Instead, they were teaching children to be comfortable with using a socialist-entitlment and they were forcing children to think and reason in a godlessly secular manner for 99.9999% of the time.

The danger of socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and compulsory schooling is that the children risk learning to be comfortable with socialism and government compulsion. Gee! If the voting mob can give them tuition-free school, why not use that power to get **lots** of free stuff? It only took 1 to 3 generations of socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling to give the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt with his **compulsory** socialist programs. And...By today's standards those early socialist-entitlement schools would be declared “conservative”. They weren't. They were socialism is full bore action and they were almost entirely godless. Is it any wonder that the nation saw FDR and the government as a redeemer and savior?

28 posted on 01/26/2013 4:05:54 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Marcella
during my time were conservative.
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I am reminded of Orwell's newspeak and Yuri Besmenov’s “demoralization.

Only in a totally scrambled, upside down, demoralized and Newspeak culture can socialist-entitlement, single-payer, godlessly secular, compulsory and government owned and run K-12 indoctrination be called “conservative” .

29 posted on 01/26/2013 4:11:48 PM PST by wintertime
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
The irony is that is a totally private system our nearly everyone, even those from the most dysfunctional families, would be better educated. The letters written by the common Civil War soldier is proof enough of that. Prior to compulsory, socialist-entitlment, and single-payer schooling our nation enjoyed nearly 100% literacy and a nearly nonexistent out wedlock birth rate.
30 posted on 01/26/2013 4:17:09 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

You can’t abolish schoolboards without getting involved locally. And if you try to establish private K-12 schooling, you will be harassed out of existence by the public schoolboards.

You need to give more thought to what you’re proposing, wintertime.


31 posted on 01/26/2013 4:36:08 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: STYRO; All; Jim Robinson; onyx; JRandomFreeper; greeneyes
Jim and onyx, I alerted you because maybe you don't know the route to Texas, textbooks from K-12 must go before the final version is printed and offered for sale to other states.

Texas buys more school textbooks than any other state and therefore publishing companies take the suggestions of our state board of education before they print textbooks to offer to the rest of the states. You see, if Texas won't buy their textbooks, they are in financial trouble - they must sell to Texas. The textbooks in your state (the reader of this post) are likely ones our state board approved and may have changed from the original they were presented.

Our state board of education is elected and it is a hot race every time between conservatives and a few Democrats who run. ALWAYS, the vast majority elected are conservatives and I mean REAL God fearing conservatives who don't want socialism crap in our texbooks and don't want history rewritten.

Blue states hate our Texas State Board of Education due to the influence they have on the final version of textbooks. The few Democrats who get on that board, hate the majority conservatives on there. I don't use the word, “hate”, very often because I think it is overused, but in this instance, it fits.

Every meeting is a public meeting and also on the web, and the fur does fly but conservatives don't budge.

Not all subjects’ textbooks are done every year. There is a system to it and some subjects will be one year and other subjects another year.

California truly despises our board of education and I don't know if California refuses those textbooks but they would have to write their own - but maybe they do. Or, maybe they just have the most far left person in the state write history and science and math, etc., and that's it. I just remember how mad California would get with these textbooks being approved/changed by Texas conservatives.

You can be sure our Bible belt conservatives will continue to edit textbooks. When I was more active in the party in another county, I remember the board of education conservative candidates would come and talk to us. It was one conservative against another conservative and give your vote to the one you thought would be the strongest in those meetings. Really, most are strong women and one lives in this county which isn't surprising. Everyone you see in this county is a conservative.

I'll check out our state board of education and see what is on the agenda for this year.

32 posted on 01/26/2013 4:43:04 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: wintertime
In Texas, schools in a county are run by the elected county school board. This county is close to 100% conservative and there are churches all over this county. To be elected to the school board, one would have to be a conservative or he/she would not be elected.

So, I think the population electing a school board is key to the philosophy the board uses to run a school. A liberal county will end up with a liberal school board.

33 posted on 01/26/2013 4:53:52 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: sergeantdave; wintertime
Gummint skewels are a total lost cause and waste of time. The first obligation of parents regarding education is the education of their own children. Wasting your life worshiping the bureaucracy gods of the skewel bored does NOTHING to advance the education of your children. If other parents want to abandon their children to the gummint skewel indoctrination centers, that will be THEIR responsibility. If that is what you decide to do to your kids, that will be YOUR responsibility.

I fail to see why I have any obligation whatsoever to fund your children's education (or that of any other than my own) or waste time and effort down at the local edjumakashun collective wrangling with committed Marxists, National Edumakashun Association or American Federation of "Teachers" commissars to guide policy down at P.S. 666 where God is a four-letter word, where patriotism is regarded as "jingoism" and where common sense is regarded as reaction.

Turning off the TV is always a good idea as is a lessening of the endless chase for mammon (bearing in mind the Scriptural injunction that those who will not work will not eat). Remodeling your kitchen is infinitely more likely to be a successful and effective use of your time than wrestling with the Marxists and birdbrains running the local edjamakashun collective as though it were actually possible to influence those tax wasting pigs.

My wife and I saw that our elder children were largely homeschooled and then my wife went to work for a strictly private Catholic K-12 established by the parents to avoid even the parochial schools (also infested even in this conservative diocese by the usual gang of leftist suspects.

Really Catholic priests from many parishes compete to spend time with this private school where Latin begins in about 5th grade, history is taught with strong Catholic and American values, algebra is mastered BEFORE high school, theology is taught in every grade, and everyone attends Mass on First Fridays at the local Tridentine (old Latin Mass) parish. Class sizes are small and tuition is affordable and the parents actively volunteer in many capacities to keep the school viable. That's what we have done. How about you?

We are far too vigilant to expose our kids to P.S. 666 or its bureaucratic bosses and union masters. How is that wrassling with the gummint skewels' godless commies going for you?

The conservative goal ought to be nothing less than abolition of the gummint skewels.

34 posted on 01/26/2013 4:59:04 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: sergeantdave
“And if you try to establish private K-12 schooling, you will be harassed out of existence by the public schoolboards.”

That doesn't happen in Texas. We have numerous private schools that are Catholic and Christian schools and home schooling is accepted here as a right parents have. School boards do not harass these schools.

35 posted on 01/26/2013 5:02:09 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: sergeantdave
And if you try to establish private K-12 schooling, you will be harassed out of existence by the public schoolboards.

Not here, anyway. When we yanked the stepdaughter out of public schools, several families joined together, hired a teacher, and set up a private school pretty darn fast. Schools don't cost a lot to run, if real education is your goal.

/johnny

36 posted on 01/26/2013 5:07:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: sergeantdave; wintertime
sergeantdave:

In the 12 years that our private K-12 has existed, no gummint edjamakashun poobahs have ever even TRIED to harass it, and you can bet they never will. If they try, it will be a very splashy, very public war which will do nothing but benefit our K-12 and expose the gummint skewels to the ridicule they deserve. Oh, and I don't really think they want to even imagine comparing performance and competence in public and, no, we do NOT cherry pick. We also have autistic kids and other "special needs" kids with NO gummint subsidies received or wanted. The doors are open to non-Catholic kids but the education is still Catholic and monthly First Fridays are mandatory as is respectful behavior, manners, morality, politeness and a lot heavier academic workload than gummint skewels are EVER likely to undertake.

37 posted on 01/26/2013 5:13:43 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: BlackElk

I just love your posts! :-)

Your posts and others like it are the reason I am addicted to Free Republic.


38 posted on 01/26/2013 5:14:44 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Marcella; Jim Robinson; All
Thanks very much, but public school went to Hell decades back. It was part of the Communist plan and it's worked out perfectly.
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Jimmy Carter's Dept. of Education would first have to be abolished. Federal money has no business in LOCAL schools, and neither do national teacher unions.

Local property taxes were raised out of proportion so the Feds could move in with money, to seize control from locals. I can't find the link I really want right now, but it all started late in the Eisenhower Administration when the Demonic-rats gained control of the House and Senate.
39 posted on 01/26/2013 5:33:01 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: BlackElk; Marcella; wintertime

As a former Catholic altar boy, I learned a bunch from you people tonight. You have moxie.

That’s why I like FR.

Semper fi, you people.


40 posted on 01/26/2013 5:40:01 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: onyx
“Thanks very much, but public school went to Hell decades back.”

All have their own opinion about schools and I've worked in several and have seen how decisions are made so I stick to it is the population the school serves, that determines the philosophy of the school and it's decisions on policy.

I would not have a problem with my child going to the school system here. I would not send a child to Houston Schools.

However, my post was the path school textbooks take before the final copy is printed for sale to other states. That path is a good one to try to have our textbooks correct. I would rather have them changed by Texas conservatives than California/New York/Mass., etc., liberals.

41 posted on 01/26/2013 5:46:55 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella



I LOVE THIS!!!

42 posted on 01/26/2013 6:16:17 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: sergeantdave
Re: School boards ( The People's Education Collective)

Ideas are the most powerful things in the world. That we exist at all began as an idea in the mind of God.

Ideas matter when it comes to socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and godless schooling. Very entrenched, long standing, and seemingly intractable institutions can lose their legitimacy in a very short amount of time. Ideas do this. Some examples are the decline of paganism and the rise of Christianity, slavery, and Jim Crow. ( And the tide has turned regarding the nation's opinion regarding abortion.)

Well....Compulsory government owned and run socialist-entitlment schools are not immune to the loss of legitimacy. I am very hopeful that government schooling will simply whither away. Why?

1) The government reports that 4% of school aged children are homeschooled. The real number is likely twice that.

2) Charters, vouchers, and tax credit programs expand yearly.

3) Long pitiful lines form for the lotteries that determine who does or does not win a voucher to a private school, or admission to a charter school. This makes for great local TV news reporting and these parents are forming **powerful** lobbying groups pushing for privatization.

4) The statistics for charter and voucher school achievement are excellent. In all studies where the achievement of those who were won the lottery as compared to those who lost and remained in their government indoctrination camp show those attending the private schools do far better. And...The longer the children remain in private school the larger the gap is between those who won the lottery and those who were condemned to remain in their government prison-like school.

5) Homeschoolers ( real ones, not the government school “push outs”) are doing fabulously well and the highest ranking colleges are actively seeking them. This is not going unnoticed by parents who care about their kid's education.

Conclusion: There is no reason to waste time fighting The People's Education Collective ( misnamed “school board”).

43 posted on 01/26/2013 6:21:56 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
There's a reason why "Free education for all children in government schools" is the 10th plank of the Communist Manifesto.

I would respecfully submit that there is no way a Barak Obama could have ever been elected President once, much less twice, without decades of government school indoctrination.

44 posted on 01/26/2013 6:29:36 PM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: sergeantdave
You need to give more thought to what you’re proposing, wintertime.

You are under the impression that wintertime is capable of thinking. Stick around long enough and you will see that he/she just has about 10-12 phrases that are repeated endlessly.

BTW now that you have pointed this out you will be subject to the wrath of witnertime. you will be labeled a "public schoole defender", "Useful idiot", or worse. Any question you ask will be ignored and any comment will be met with a "Please don't ping me" reply.

45 posted on 01/26/2013 6:30:16 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Marathoner
It only took 1 to 3 generations of socialist-entitlement, single-payer, compulsory , and secular schooling to give the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt and his socialism.

Now that government socialist-entitlement schooling is becoming more prison-like every year and students are treated more like prisoners and criminals, and controlled by admitted communists....well... I truly do fear for the future of freedom.

I consider government schooling to be so evil for the child and such a threat to the nation that I will not have a government school worker for a friend. I don't have abortion workers for friends either.

46 posted on 01/26/2013 8:08:02 PM PST by wintertime
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To: sergeantdave

May God bless you and yours!


47 posted on 01/26/2013 11:30:03 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: wintertime

I always enjoy your posts as well. We have been known to disagree on a detail or two but you have long been fighting this good fight and fighting it well. May God bless you and yours!


48 posted on 01/26/2013 11:35:22 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: verga; sergeantdave
verga:

Maybe YOU are subjected to wrath by wintertime and other sensible folks here but I did not notice her doing to sergeantdave any of those things that you wrongly predicted. Of course, it is not easy to defend old P. S. 666 on a conservative website and so we should be kind to and patient with you until you see the light. May God have mercy on your soul!

49 posted on 01/26/2013 11:40:57 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: Marcella
You have the credentials in life and on Free Republic to argue for the public schools within your geographical area and/or in which you have worked and to get a respectful hearing on anything you post.

The work of the Texas School Book Committee (whatever its formal name may be) has been terrific and one of the few really positive influences on public education in this country. The publishers can either accept revisions by Texas conservatives or forego selling their wares ANYWHERE in Texas public schools. Since the publishers are not going to publish 50 versions of a text for 50 states, Texas has thereby earned the thanks of the nation.

It is only obvious that because of folks like you, THEY will never take Texas!

God bless you and yours!

50 posted on 01/26/2013 11:50:01 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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