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Watching TV on web is disrupting cable, broadcast worlds
Miami Herald ^ | January 26, 2013 | Glenn Garvin

Posted on 01/26/2013 3:52:18 PM PST by PJ-Comix

Veteran programmer Rob Barnett recently attended a breakfast meeting of television executives where the talk turned, as it almost always does these days, to “disruption,” the industry buzzword for the way new technology is upsetting the TV applecart. From somewhere down the table, he heard a question: “Has anybody here cut the cord?” — that is, dropped cable service in favor of just watching TV through the Internet? Barnett shrugged and raised his hand. “Mine was the only one,” he recalls. “But when it went up, I saw beads of sweat break out on the foreheads of some of the guys across the table.”

When Barnett and 5,000 or so others gather Monday for the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention at the Fontainebleau Hotel on Miami Beach, there will be plenty of sweaty foreheads, some acquisitive smiles and — perhaps most numerous — blank looks of confusion. Not since cable turned the old three-channel TV universe on its head in the late 1970s has the industry been in such a state of disoriented befuddlement.

New technologies that give viewers more say in what they watch, where they watch and how much they pay for it are great for consumers. But they’re inducing a collective nervous breakdown among industry executives, who have to figure out new ways to make money in a business facing serious threats to its traditional sources of revenue — advertising and cable-TV subscriptions.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: boycotttimewarner; boycottviacom; cable; cabletv; defundtheleft; enemedia; illusionofchoice; monopoly; pravdamedia; satellitetv; television; veetle; webtv
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But the technological advances in Internet television come at a time when customer grumbling over escalating cable prices has grown to a roar and a younger generation of viewers more comfortable with computers than TVs is starting to set up its own households. The new alignment of attitudes is already taking a toll.

You hear that COMCAST? Lower your rates or you will lose even more people including me!

1 posted on 01/26/2013 3:52:27 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

Creative destruction, and less central control. What’s not to like?

My teens consider network TV like great-grandpa’s old Victrola.

A screen=internet to them.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 3:54:14 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PJ-Comix

That is a good thing


3 posted on 01/26/2013 3:56:01 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The big problem is that only a few ways to get internet so I am stuck with Comcast at least for that.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 3:57:00 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: Travis McGee

99% of TV content is pure crap, and no channel is family friendly these days either


5 posted on 01/26/2013 3:57:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PJ-Comix

When the day comes that I can get my favorite channels through the internet or airwaves or however, I dump the cable company. They have enjoyed a government-assisted monopoly for years, and I will gloat when they go out of business.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 4:02:58 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: GeronL

Find a channel that shows classic films, commercial free.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 4:02:58 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: PJ-Comix

I could see a day where NBC goes the way of Time Magazine. Sold for a dollar.


8 posted on 01/26/2013 4:03:51 PM PST by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: PJ-Comix
Have this puppy hooked up

to this puppy...



The PC is a AMD Dual-Core E300 1.30GHz, 4GB DDR3, 1TB HDD, DVDRW, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, for $288 at Walmart with aNvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti vid card and a Philips 1080P 47 inch LCD.


9 posted on 01/26/2013 4:04:39 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: Jyotishi

I do watch a lot of subtitled Korean shows online, I find them better (broadcast TV in Korea has stricter content standards, so they actually have to have a story- imagine that) than anything on American TV.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 4:06:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PJ-Comix

I don’t get how this will ever be bad for cable companies. If they don’t sell enough cable tv subscriptions they’ll simply raise the cost of internet...it still has to come through their cable. Same with FIOS or other technologies. Or am I missing something?


11 posted on 01/26/2013 4:09:01 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: I want the USA back

Both COMCAST and Satellite TV have good deals at first but then after about 6 months they jack their prices way up. Anything that gives folks an option to get cheap TV is a plus and maybe COMCAST will be forced to lower their prices.


12 posted on 01/26/2013 4:10:45 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: PJ-Comix

I want a day when I only have to pay for the channels I want.


13 posted on 01/26/2013 4:11:08 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: DouglasKC

I want it to be bad for TV production companies too. All they do is make crap these days.


14 posted on 01/26/2013 4:11:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PJ-Comix; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; ...

Any cable drop outs here? I did, tried Apple TV, a waste of time. Any other alternatives out there?


15 posted on 01/26/2013 4:13:26 PM PST by narses
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To: PJ-Comix; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; ...

Any cable drop outs here? I did, tried Apple TV, a waste of time. Any other alternatives out there?


16 posted on 01/26/2013 4:14:05 PM PST by narses
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To: GeronL
99% of TV content is pure crap, and no channel is family friendly these days either

Agreed. And the commercials go on, and on, and on . . . You would think with the lousy economy the commercials would decrease, but obviously not.

17 posted on 01/26/2013 4:14:33 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: narses

So when you dropped your cable, how did you connect to the Internet?


18 posted on 01/26/2013 4:15:12 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: bmwcyle; KevinDavis; abb

How about only paying for the shows you want? If a conservative outfit started producing a sitcom, a cop show and a science fiction show, how many conservatives would subscribe to watch online?


19 posted on 01/26/2013 4:15:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Dallas59

$99. Plug it in, 2 cables. Goodbye cable tv.

20 posted on 01/26/2013 4:15:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: PJ-Comix
I consider "free" internet to be a cosmic birth right.

.

What's your view???

21 posted on 01/26/2013 4:17:11 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Hardastarboard

and the premium channels are worse than ever when it comes to showing adult-type shows at all times of day.

You would at least think one of them (HBO, SHO, MAX, STARZ) would have added a channel specifically for foreign films, they seem to have channels for everything else.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 4:17:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PJ-Comix

Maybe TV people should stop covering half the screen with logos and flashing/moving ads that pop up right at the moment of suspense in every show.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 4:17:58 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: ctdonath2

I do like my DirecTV. But I end up watching more net on the thing than my dish!


24 posted on 01/26/2013 4:17:59 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: PJ-Comix

DSL


25 posted on 01/26/2013 4:18:27 PM PST by narses
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To: ctdonath2

BTDT - what did you find worthwhile on AppleTV?


26 posted on 01/26/2013 4:19:04 PM PST by narses
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To: GeronL

I can do that already. I want a system that I can buy into whole networks or drop them.


27 posted on 01/26/2013 4:20:38 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: PJ-Comix

I canceled my cable when I retired, to cut expenses. Without cable, I am doing just fine. Put an antenna in the window to pull in the signal, antenna looks like a closed laptop, in other words it looks elegant not ugly. Pulls in 19 channels incl. all the local stations and the three sub-stations that play oldies TV, local college sports, and the country music station. Bought the antenna for under a hundred bucks at Best Buy, it’s attached to a flatscreen and all you need is two plugs in the wall. BTW I pay for WiFi as part of my phone bill and I’m using the WiFi and my laptop to access FR and You Tube and watch movies and many TV shows thru Amazon Prime, costs $79. a year.


28 posted on 01/26/2013 4:21:33 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: bmwcyle

They cable companies better watch it because as wi-fi gets more powerful, cheaper and reliable (4G and beyond) they’ll find themselves as the next dodo bird.

I cut the cable TV cord and land-lines a long time ago. I get my TV via the internet and my calls via Ooma and I’ve haven’t looked back.

Why? Right now, I’m watching the Saskatchewan women’s curling championships for free on my 50” internet TV....and the curling content is getting more diverse and better. The only way to watch curling in the States was to wait every four years for the Olympica or get a Canadian “grey” dish. Netflix, Hulu Plus, and Vudu provide a lot of content for reasonable prices. YouTube has a lot of interesting stuff (love Bill Whittle’s content) and to top it off, there are websites on the internet that provide nothing but free video links to events all over the world.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 4:23:05 PM PST by Kolath
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To: PJ-Comix

As soon as a TV show is over it’s available at a “link site” for streaming or download. (”letmewatch” is the big one at this time.)

Episodes on the link sites have no commercials. It’s great not to have to sit through the ads but since the networks can’t seem to shut these sites down why don’t they try for legislation to get the ads included so they can charge a few more bucks for the ads?

Half a loaf is better than none.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 4:24:09 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: narses

And how much does DSL cost you per month?


31 posted on 01/26/2013 4:24:19 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: bmwcyle

If I lived alone, I doubt I would even have a TV at this point. What am I going to watch, Military channel, History Channel?


32 posted on 01/26/2013 4:24:37 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kolath

don’t forget ROKU


33 posted on 01/26/2013 4:26:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PJ-Comix

I gradually lost interest in watching tv a while ago. It just required too much of an investment in time. The last show I watched was about the mid 90’s. I still had a tv but didn’t do anything with it, until I gave it away in 2004. Since then, all of my information comes from the internet. I don’t miss it.


34 posted on 01/26/2013 4:26:58 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: PJ-Comix

Not sure, I think voice and internet are 44.00 monthly on a 2 year contract, but I don’t pay much attention, so ymmv.


35 posted on 01/26/2013 4:27:28 PM PST by narses
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To: Dallas59

You’re like hubby, we had a set up like that, it worked pretty OK, but I did find it confusing.

But we were still running it off comcast, then he got mad at them and now we are back to Directv. Sunday ticket is the best, that I must say.

So he got rid of all the computer hook up (I think, maybe it’s still there, we’re all still screwed up from Sandy anyway so who knows?) and hard drive, we are just using the DTV DVR, still not as good as teevo and not as good as what we had with the media center thing-y either.

But I clicked on this link because today I was able at my weekend job to log onto Hulu and did very well with it.

I watched a glee re-run and then it went automatically into Nashville. I’d never seen that show, but I was instantly hooked, I’m probably going to go watch more episodes RIGHT NOW.

I liked it so much I almost considered hulu plus, and maybe I would do the free week and catch up with the story. Although I sort of disapprove of doing stuff like that and I’m too broke to fork over the dough to really sign up.

It is all pretty complicated, I’m almost missing those old 5 channel days, but not really.


36 posted on 01/26/2013 4:27:33 PM PST by jocon307
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To: mrsmith

I have noticed that Korean shows are online immediately (licensed sites like Viki and DramaFever pay for them with a few ads) upon airing and volunteers add subtitles to them.

This would work for US shows too, I would think


37 posted on 01/26/2013 4:28:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PJ-Comix

Got cable, don’t watch it, keep paying Comcast. Why?


38 posted on 01/26/2013 4:28:46 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: narses

I found DSL was a little too slow for streaming and went to downloading shows and movies with “Orbit” and then watching them with “VlC”.


39 posted on 01/26/2013 4:29:05 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Fine by me. My disgust with cable is the way that a large portion of the high “cost of the bill” was actually due to the network carrying fee for a lot of vile, left-wing trash channels that in many cases I didn’t even subscribe to, much less watch.

In other words, even though I was only watching a tiny few limited networks, I was basically “subsidizing” a whole host of deviant, liberal garbage. I cut the cord then and there. To blazes with them. I’ve been vastly better off ever since, amassing collections of dvd sets to watch. Preferably older shows and movies, reflective of when America’s culture wasn’t such an abject sewer. Haven’t gotten around to streaming yet.


40 posted on 01/26/2013 4:30:38 PM PST by greene66
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To: narses

Netflix: $8/mo, more to watch than I possibly could.
iTunes: $1-6/rental, pretty much any new must-see content.
Hulu: $9/mo, minimal ads, most TV slightly delayed.

There is plenty to see.
If you insist on certain content the moment it’s released, you’ll pay thru the nose. There’s far more out there for a lot less.


41 posted on 01/26/2013 4:31:29 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: GeronL

Love my ROKU. Cut the cable two years ago and haven’t looked back.


42 posted on 01/26/2013 4:31:29 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: PJ-Comix
You hear that COMCAST? Lower your rates or you will lose even more people including me!

I have Comcast and they just socked me with a $12 general increase, bringing my tab for basic cable and internet to $130 per month.

I went in person to pay my bill and I told the rep this would be the last month I'm paying and will be switching to Dish plus DSL for internet. Immediately he said, "Wait a minute, let me see if I can help you".

He offered me the same channels plus about 20 more, internet included for $69 per month for 6 months, at which time it would increase to $89 per month. He said also, "come back in in 6 months and I'll see what else I can do for you to keep that bill down".

I felt like some what of a dumb ass for not complaining sooner. It seems that with the hint that you might go elsewhere, their rates become negotiable.

I really did not want to switch to Dish and DSL but was prepared to do so.

43 posted on 01/26/2013 4:32:53 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: ctdonath2

Got bored and disgusted with Netflix, didn’t find any rentals worth watching and Hulu+ was boring too. Probably just me as I get old and cranky but the garbage that passes for films today bores me.


44 posted on 01/26/2013 4:34:04 PM PST by narses
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To: P8riot

I have seen a lot of positive comments on ROKU lately and no negative ones.


45 posted on 01/26/2013 4:34:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: P8riot

I have seen a lot of positive comments on ROKU lately and no negative ones.


46 posted on 01/26/2013 4:34:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Travis McGee
My teens consider network TV like great-grandpa’s old Victrola.

They are not conditioned to only receiving and absorbing the input. Where have you seen a teen that is going to sit still to listen to or watch someone for hours if he can show and tell how it ought to be done? (They all know better, of course.) Lack of interaction kills the TV, not anything else. Internet offers an infinite number of "channels," and those channels have appeal to exactly the people who participate. If someone doesn't like anything that is out there, he can always make a new "channel," be it a blog, a YouTube video, or FB, or Twitter.

Modern teens don't want to dine on strict schedule in government-maintained mess halls where the menu hasn't changed for decades and where cooks don't care what the diners want and where they must stop eating whenever propaganda blares out of loudspeakers every few minutes. Modern teens prefer to eat whatever they want, whenever they want - and they can. Internet is freedom, and the network TV is history (IMO,) just a notch above the dead tree media that, in turn, replaced town criers. If TV journalists think that their stories are wanted, let them put them on YouTube and charge $0.01 per view. That will quickly tell them how much they are really needed in this world.

47 posted on 01/26/2013 4:35:21 PM PST by Greysard
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To: jocon307

AppleTV is about as simple as “the old 5 channel days”. Includes Hulu dirt cheap.


48 posted on 01/26/2013 4:35:52 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: P8riot
By odd coincidence I just checked my e-mail and they had this GroupOn DEAL for Netgear. Apparently it must have been very popular because it already sold out. Only $35 when list price is $100.

Does anybody know if Netgear is a good system for watching TV?

49 posted on 01/26/2013 4:36:03 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: Vince Ferrer
I would not even own a TV if it weren't for the family, or if I did it would be the 19” manual (I gave away) one with a converter to use for severe weather when internet is not available.

I have a hard time remembering what was going on when they went to commercials 10 minutes ago.

So I just quit watching it. So visceral is my hatred, I do not even want to be in the room with a TV. No sports, no nothing. It is not that hard.

50 posted on 01/26/2013 4:38:38 PM PST by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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