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Manchin says he's working with NRA on universal background check bill (Slippery Joe)
The Hill ^ | 01/24/13 01:23 PM ET | Justin Sink

Posted on 01/26/2013 4:16:02 PM PST by Red Steel

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday that he was working on a bill with Senate colleagues and the National Rifle Association (NRA) that would implement universal background checks, a major component of President Obama's proposed gun-control reforms.

Manchin, a member of the NRA, had not previously endorsed any specific measures to address gun violence.

"I’m working on a bill right now with other senators — Democrats and Republicans — we’re trying to get it, and looking at a background check that basically says that if you’re going to be a gun owner, you should be able to pass a background check, to be able to get [universal background checks]," Manchin told Metro News radio's "Talkline," in an interview reported by The Washington Post.

The West Virginia lawmaker went on to say his bill would carve out exceptions for certain transactions.

"With exceptions. The exceptions are: Families, immediate family members, some sporting events that you’re going to — that if you’re just going to be using them at the sporting events. So we’re looking and talking to people with expertise. I’m working with the NRA, to be honest with you, and talking to them," he said.

The NRA has been vocal in opposing the president's call for new gun controls, arguing that Obama has attempted to exploit the mass shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school to limit Second Amendment rights. In remarks earlier this week, NRA Executive Director Wayne LaPierre accused the president of wanting to put "every private personal firearms transaction right under the thumb of the federal government."

Later Thursday, a spokesman for the NRA said that while the group was working with members of Congress to "address the problems with the background check system," the group would not support expanding background checks to include private transfers.

"If Sen. Manchin supports putting private transfers between law-abiding citizens under the thumb of the Obama-Holder justice department, we will vigorously oppose those efforts," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam.

Arulanandam said the gun rights group believed "what Congress needs to do is improve and not expand the system" to better prevent those suffering from mental illness from obtaining weapons.

In the radio interview, Manchin called background checks for private dealers — who are exempted by the so-called gun-show loophole — "common sense."

"Why would a legitimate gun retail shop have to go through that, but then the unfair advantage for someone at a gun show doesn’t?" Manchin asked.

Earlier Thursday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduced an updated assault-weapons ban in the Senate that would ban the sale and manufacture of more than 150 types of semi-automatic weapons with military-style features. The bill would also ban magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

Manchin has previously said that he does not think hunters need assault rifles, but has not explicitly said whether he would support Feinstein's bill.

--This report was updated at 1:55 p.m.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 113th; banglist; guncontrol; manchin; nra; secondamendment
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Later Thursday, a spokesman for the NRA said that while the group was working with members of Congress to "address the problems with the background check system," the group would not support expanding background checks to include private transfers.

Manchin talks out every side of his mouth.

1 posted on 01/26/2013 4:16:12 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
How about a background check for our “leaders” form the pResident down?
2 posted on 01/26/2013 4:19:24 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Red Steel

After he got told off by his constituents earlier in the week, he’s now trying to have is cake and eat it too.


3 posted on 01/26/2013 4:20:11 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Red Steel

Manchin is a phoney and I hope the voters of West Virginia remember this when he comes up for election again.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 4:20:43 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Red Steel

The NRA should be working on eliminating background checks altogether.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 4:22:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Steel

The NRA better not be doing that.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 4:22:46 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Red Steel

No more gun laws, period.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 4:23:51 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 3Fingas

... joe is a local boy.... no one is going to check is heritage.....


8 posted on 01/26/2013 4:24:02 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: bmwcyle
The NRA are NOT working with Joe Manchin. From a "Statement from Chris Cox" email I received from the NRA this afternoon :

"An article appearing on TheHill.com yesterday asserted that Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) is working on a bill with the NRA that would implement universal background checks.

NRA does NOT support universal background checks and is not working with Manchin to implement this type of legislation. NRA opposes, and will continue to oppose, universal background checks and registration schemes.

We do believe that records of those who are prohibited by law from purchasing firearms (including those whose mental health history puts them in this category) ought to be included in the federal instant check system."

9 posted on 01/26/2013 4:27:19 PM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Red Steel

must be the harry reid wing of the NRA. what rinos? what are their names?


10 posted on 01/26/2013 4:28:46 PM PST by dadfly
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To: 3Fingas

I’ve never voted for Manchin. Still lots of West Virginians will.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 4:28:55 PM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: 3Fingas
I hope the voters of West Virginia remember this when he comes up for election again

He's in office until 2017.

By then, this will be resolved, one way or another.

12 posted on 01/26/2013 4:29:12 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Red Steel

We have enough background checks now. Criminals don’t buy weapons at gun stores or gunshows. They buy them out of the trunk of a car. Mostly stolen. Universal background checks are just for law abiding citizens.


13 posted on 01/26/2013 4:29:44 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: driftdiver

“No more gun laws, period”

Amen!


14 posted on 01/26/2013 4:31:41 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cweese
We do believe that records of those who are prohibited by law from purchasing firearms (including those whose mental health history puts them in this category) ought to be included in the federal instant check system."

That's kinda like saying, we don't support abortion but we do support the morning after pill and a woman's right to choose.
15 posted on 01/26/2013 4:32:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: driftdiver

Exactly, they should be fighting back not working with the enemy.

If that’s an irrational stance, so be it but it won’t change.


16 posted on 01/26/2013 4:39:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Steel

Wouldn’t have done a thing to stop the Sand Creek massacre, but you must never allow a crisis to go to waste.


17 posted on 01/26/2013 4:41:25 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Red Steel

How long before they tell us “With universal background checks, Adam Lanza would not have been able to steal his mother’s weapons after murdering her”?


18 posted on 01/26/2013 4:41:53 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Red Steel

You can always count on representatives of the Democratic [sic] party to strive relentlessly against our civil rights.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 4:43:20 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Red Steel

Hey Joe! How about you do one of those “background checks” on the person squatting in the White House?


20 posted on 01/26/2013 4:44:22 PM PST by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco)
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To: Red Steel

Exemption for sporting events? Does this mean we would need to call in for a background check when the bad guys are crawling through the kitchen window?


21 posted on 01/26/2013 4:46:08 PM PST by NautiNurse (BOHICA)
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To: Red Steel

Anyone running for president should be able to pass a background check.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 4:53:08 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Red Steel
I know this is not popular here and I know the comments I will receive so don't bother...:)..(as if that will make a difference)

After the shooting in Shady Brook the game has changed. Most folks love their kids and grand kids more that their guns...

The vast majority of Americans don't want the crazies to have guns but they wont give up their constitutional right to own theirs.

IMHO the NRA or any other group advocating for the 2nd Amendment can not be seen as advocating letting the crazies have guns. One way to reduce the number of crazies from acquiring guns may be through the background check procedure...

23 posted on 01/26/2013 4:53:19 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: cripplecreek

I really think we need to reiterate the ‘no more laws’ concept far and wide. The politicians will pass something just to get past this and we’ll be one step closer to serfdom.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 4:54:51 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: montanajoe

You sound like the perfect dEMOcrat.

Any pathetic piece of trash who trades down on the constitution is unworthy of being called an American.


25 posted on 01/26/2013 4:57:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Steel

Manchin talks out every side of his mouth.
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That’s his mouth that noise is coming from?? I would have bet it was coming from the other end.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 4:59:17 PM PST by Venturer
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To: montanajoe
"IMHO the NRA or any other group advocating for the 2nd Amendment can not be seen as advocating letting the crazies have guns. One way to reduce the number of crazies from acquiring guns may be through the background check procedure.."

Yes you will get flamed because you have failed in a spectacular way.

NOBODY wants the crazies to get guns. Lanza apparently tried to buy a gun and failed the back ground check. Regardless he got the firearms from his mother. So a background check for him would have been useless because he didn't buy them, he stole them.

The marxists are pushing for universal background checks for one reason, to provide a paper trail for all gun ownership. The only firearms bought or sold without a background check are those transferred between private individuals such as family members. Thats a very small percentage of legal firearms.

Criminals don't get background checks and they never will. Forcing law abiding people into yet another hurdle will not save any lives.

27 posted on 01/26/2013 5:01:24 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Captain7seas

Amen Brother, but that would take balls, and Manchin is lacking those.


28 posted on 01/26/2013 5:01:47 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Red Steel

One more worthless law at a time is how they are playing it.

Then they claim they just need one more.

NO MORE. Put the crazy people in hospitals and leave the guns alone.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 5:03:08 PM PST by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Red Steel

Wow. This guy is a real P.O.S.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 5:04:35 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Red Steel

Why does Manchin remind me of that brother-in-law who borrows money and can’t keep a job?


31 posted on 01/26/2013 5:04:35 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: montanajoe

Okay, so how would that have stopped Lanza from getting the guns? THey were his mom’s.

How crazy do you have to be? Who decides who’s crazy? What if a person is determined “crazy” but lives with a non-crazy? Can the non-crazies have guns? Do they have to be locked up? Who checks on that?

How do you get on a crazy list?


32 posted on 01/26/2013 5:07:10 PM PST by Girlene
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To: driftdiver

As far as I’m concerned any man too dangerous to own a gun is too dangerous to walk free.

We used to lock dangerous criminals up and keep them locked up. If an inmate was released he got his weapons back without question because the constitution demands it.

Today we’ve got an ever expanding range of reasons we can’t let people have guns and those who aren’t supposed to have them are getting them anyway. Lets not forget the guy who ambushed firemen on Christmas did time for beating his own grandmother to death with a hammer. If he had spent the rest of his life in prison he wouldn’t have been able ignore the law that said he couldn’t have a weapon.


33 posted on 01/26/2013 5:08:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Steel
the group would not support expanding background checks to include private transfers.

Wow, somebody must have figured out that Joe Bob is NOT going to go get a background check done every time he trades a gun to one of his buddies. (Not that the law would have been enforcable anyway, all Joe Bob would need to do is backdate a receipt before the law was changed in case any questions were ever asked.)

34 posted on 01/26/2013 5:14:21 PM PST by apillar
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To: apillar

What they’ll do is set up stings to do private sales in order to catch people who don’t do a background check.

It will expand those convicted of a crime and who cannot legally own a firearm.


35 posted on 01/26/2013 5:18:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red Steel

Fodase everyone one of these traitors

Lightpost time beckons

All that wacky militia agitprop from the 80s and 90s aint so farfetched now is it


36 posted on 01/26/2013 5:21:35 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Red Steel

NRA is getting ready to sell us down the river again.


37 posted on 01/26/2013 5:21:54 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Red Steel

Constitution does not prohibit the congress from passing laws which would promote safety of law abiding citizens.

I am totally against any restrictions on any US Citizen from buying or inheriting any firearms of their choice with no prohibitions, provided they have not been convicted of any violent crime, and are not mentally sick. Reported Spousal physical abuse should also forfeit your firearms 2nd Amendment rights.

There should be no annual fees to own firearms, because in practical terms it restricts law abiding people with insufficient resources to own firearms.


38 posted on 01/26/2013 5:28:03 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: driftdiver

I’ve seen “Not one more inch” being used extensively by 2A supporters.


39 posted on 01/26/2013 5:30:28 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: montanajoe
One way to reduce the number of crazies from acquiring guns may be through the background check procedure...

Looks like I'm the only friend you got here tonight.....LOL@!

The background check works and I have no problem with it, but that's the extent of gun control that I support and I'm sure it's yours too.

40 posted on 01/26/2013 5:31:13 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: driftdiver

“No more gun laws, period.”

We do need some legislation that would repeal some now in effect such as gun free zones. Some states are in dire need of repeal legislation such as New York and Illinois


41 posted on 01/26/2013 5:36:06 PM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Correct..I understand what everybody else is saying and I agree. But if we are going to keep the real loons out there from trampling the second amendment we cant be seen as those who would be advocating for for the right to yell fire in a crowded theater in support of the first amendment...
42 posted on 01/26/2013 5:41:57 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: cweese

Every time Chris Cox says “background checks”, he puts “universal” in front of it. Perhaps the NRA would find less-than-universal background checks acceptable?


43 posted on 01/26/2013 5:43:00 PM PST by Corey Ohlis (Visualize Swirled Peas)
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To: Red Steel

It’s time for those states that still respect the U.S. Constitution to seriously consider secession.


44 posted on 01/26/2013 5:51:05 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I’ve heard background checks in Colorado are taking 8 days.

How reasonable is that?


45 posted on 01/26/2013 5:56:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: montanajoe

When they arrested the Hutaree militia here in Michigan, they all had to undergo psychological evaluations before they were released from jail. They were all eventually acquitted but I have a feeling that those evaluations could easily haunt them all if you got your way.


46 posted on 01/26/2013 5:58:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

BTW the vast majority of gun sales already require a background check and you know it.

How will restricting the private transfer be enforceable and how will it help reduce crime?

Will criminals who are already restricted get a background check?

Cmon you are endorsing more regulation and control, how will it help?


47 posted on 01/26/2013 5:59:02 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: montanajoe

You won’t even support your own argument. Why is that?


48 posted on 01/26/2013 6:01:11 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red Steel; cweese

(Cweese, courtesy ping)

RedSteel, see this post:

To: bmwcyle

The NRA are NOT working with Joe Manchin. From a “Statement from Chris Cox” email I received from the NRA this afternoon :

“An article appearing on TheHill.com yesterday asserted that Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) is working on a bill with the NRA that would implement universal background checks.

NRA does NOT support universal background checks and is not working with Manchin to implement this type of legislation. NRA opposes,and will continue to oppose,universal background checks and registration schemes.

We do believe that records of those who are prohibited by law from purchasing firearms (including those whose mental health history puts them in this category) ought to be included in the federal instant check system.”

9 posted on Sat Jan 26 2013 18:27:19 GMT-0600 (CST) by cweese (Hook ‘em Horns!!!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies | Report Abuse]


49 posted on 01/26/2013 6:01:42 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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50 posted on 01/26/2013 6:05:26 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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