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AP, NBC Ask: Time to Publicly Shame the Obese, Let Smokers Die?
Big Journalism ^ | January 26, 2013 | John Nolte

Posted on 01/26/2013 6:18:04 PM PST by Bratch

Biases upfront: I'm a 46 year-old health nut obsessed with exercise and eating right. I don’t smoke or drink, and there are supermodels who worry less about their weight. However, I do admire those who don't live like that; who might not live as long as I do, but will probably enjoy their overall quality of life more than my somewhat Spartan one.

Oh, and I also realize that this is America. And if people want to pursue happiness through a double cheeseburger and a pack of Newports, any joyless, left-wing bossy-pants who has a problem with that can go mind their own g***amned business.

But they're not going to.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fascists; liberalfascism; nannystate; nietzsche; obamacare; obesity; pufflist
Under no circumstance would these insufferable elites ever look to "pretty up" society through the "shaming" of drug addicts, alcoholics, sexual degenerates, lazy welfare leeches, or any others who loot the treasury and spread much more human misery than nicotine and ice cream. And anyone who suggested such a thing would immediately be branded a bully by the very same elites now testing the waters to bully-by-shame the overweight.
1 posted on 01/26/2013 6:18:17 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

But there are no “death panels,” and don’t you DARE say that there are.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 6:19:27 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Bratch

Just wonder if they would do the same to men who have sex with each other? Gay men, even non-AIDS gay men, have a much lower life expectancy...with more health issues. Will liberals pushing Socialized Medicine be willing to Death Panel gays?


3 posted on 01/26/2013 6:21:20 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Bratch

I thought there were legal prohibitions against offensive words to the overweight.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 6:21:38 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Bratch

Keep in mind that these are the people who scream the loudest about bullying in schools but happily point out new targets.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 6:27:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SandRat

Choose life or choose death. You can live to preserve life or you can die trying.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 6:28:30 PM PST by shineon
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To: SandRat

When Michael Moore publicly pledges to become a Jenny Craig (or Weight Watchers etc.) success story, then I will believe a liberal jihad on fatties.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 6:28:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bratch

Just because you eat healthy, don’t smoke and exercise doesn’t mean you will live longer. You can have an accident, heart attack, stroke. cancer!!! When god decides it is your time you will go!!!


8 posted on 01/26/2013 6:29:16 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: cripplecreek

They have no grace and so can’t do anything that overcomes sin. They only scramble vices around.


9 posted on 01/26/2013 6:29:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bratch

We need to shame active homosexuals, too. They have way way higher STD rates, not to mention cancers and AIDS.

Also, the promiscuous.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 6:30:22 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: tallyhoe

Well... the body IS a temple of the Holy Spirit. The bible explains that is one reason not to fornicate. But liberals have long ago forgotten about God at all, let alone a Holy Spirit.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 6:31:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: tallyhoe

The moderately overweight have the statistically longest life span, interestingly.


12 posted on 01/26/2013 6:31:22 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Most commercial dieting programs (and they generally work pretty well today, to their credit) use old ideal weight tables that are about 40 lbs. too pessimistic in terms of ideal longevity. Now some of the bias away from the slender has been said to come from tobacco smoking (smoking cuts the appetite but easily causes lung injury and disease too). But fewer and fewer people smoke today and it seems to be still true.


13 posted on 01/26/2013 6:34:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bratch

At bottom, the left seeks a king who will decide who lives and who dies.

While normal people just need a referee to resolve conflicts among people of good will, and a cop to keep the bandits at bay. And they are perfectly capable of drawing straws among themselves to fulfill both roles.


14 posted on 01/26/2013 6:35:08 PM PST by marron
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To: Bratch

It’s time for Rubenesque people to stand up against us skinny twiggy people. While they’re at it, how about forcing food companies to stop putting so many chemicals and preservatives into our foods and cigarettes. Yeah,I’m not too thrilled about smoking carpet glue.

Another thing. People used to be “normal” sized back in the early nineties. Then they got fat. I’m wondering if this didn’t start when people got to carrying their bottled water e v e r y w h e r e.


15 posted on 01/26/2013 6:37:32 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Bratch

if they made these people criminals, then they’d love them, be on their side, and run stories how we had to understand them, and that they were victimsof society, bla bla blah.

libtards are evil, people hating idiots. they love criminals and hate regular people having choices in their everyday lives.


16 posted on 01/26/2013 6:40:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

This was likely a confluence of many factors from the rise of computer-centered pursuits to a more immediate-gratification ethos. Looking for a single factor to blame is misguided.


17 posted on 01/26/2013 6:53:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bratch

How about letting a**holes die? Publicly name them and refuse them all medical treatment. After all, they’re just going to die miserable and alone anyway. And they degrade the quality of life for everyone around them besides.

I say those people do MUCH more harm to society, both financially and emotionally, than smokers or fat people. So let’s get rid of them!

(On a related note, we can use Piers Morgan as the poster child for a**holes who damage society and don’t deserve medical treatment).


18 posted on 01/26/2013 6:56:23 PM PST by irv (Live Tea or die!)
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To: Bratch

There are other ways, of course, that Socialists/ Commies deal with ‘those who do not comply’ - gulags, working farms in the interior, death camps. You CAN make folks do things (in your most deranged dreams).

And why on earth is the man able to call himself ‘bioETHICIST?” What of his proposal is ‘ethical’ in any stretch of the imagination? How about something more fitting, like ‘death-monger’ or ‘other-eliminator’? Because you can darned well know that the folks who wrote Obamacare for US but not for them, will not apply the obesity measures to their own fat selves.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 6:56:26 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Bratch

Oh, another question. How do they quantify it? Would 5 pounds be overweight? What if it’s on a person who is only 4’8”? What if it is muscle, like a sumo wrestler or a line-backer, but the guy looks fat? Or is off the weight charts?

I am not sure liberals are smart enough to figure ALL these things out. What if it’s a fat guy like Michael Moore, whom they like? Ah, it’s probably for the Other Animals.


20 posted on 01/26/2013 6:58:48 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Bratch
not to mention, the slow but inexorable push to legalize and glamorize drug use.
Paul McCartney comes to mind. A strict vegan who smokes more marijuana than Cheech and Chong, Bob Marley, and Rick James could ever handle. Let's see, eating meat, fish or dairy, baaaad, but inhaling fumes that's at least as dangerous as tobacco smoke, gooood. Am I missing something here?
21 posted on 01/26/2013 6:59:42 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: tallyhoe

But shouldn’t you treat your body, a gift from God, as though it were a sacred gift? You can’t control the uncontrollable, but you can control what goes in your body.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 7:01:08 PM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Bratch

...........”But because they don’t smoke between shots of Tequila at club “Thin, Rich, Shallow, Mean, and Stupid,” run out for Cheddar Melts between one-night stands, and want to believe chic equals humanity and who needs God when you look great in a little black dress — they’re coming for the rest of us. “..................

Spot on.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 7:02:05 PM PST by Girlene
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To: SandRat

Where in the Hell did you get that idea? I’m beyond overweight, but my demeanor and size keeps people from opining about my weight where I can hear them, but I know that they’re doing it behind my back and some of it gets back to me. Big women, on the other hand, except for the most masculine or tough, get comments all the time about their size, much of it very unflattering if not vile.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 7:03:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

True, but it’s a start.


25 posted on 01/26/2013 7:06:56 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Bratch

26 posted on 01/26/2013 7:12:14 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: Impala64ssa

To be totally fair to the pot heads of America, marijuana smoke is typically partaken of far more sparingly than tobacco smoke.


27 posted on 01/26/2013 7:13:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

A start so far out in left field it is beyond the stadium parking lot.


28 posted on 01/26/2013 7:14:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bratch

Oh goodie. More people for the American lefties to harm and murder. They never get enough innocent blood. Obamacare is like hitting the lottery for these people of evil. I can not imagine living while hating human life like these people. How could anyone live with such a cold, dead heart...soulless?

How far will they travel into genocide? Is there any way to stop them? After all these years of struggle, we have not been able to stop them from the mass murder of unborn babies.

I fear we will not be able to put a dent in the murder dreamed up by this federal death committee and their globalist pals through the political process. They are so active and committed to the goal of mass murder and now they have total power and authority to do it. They have some many new avenues of murder to follow with the power of Federal healthcare.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 7:30:36 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Hey! As long as it’s not a golf course parking lot! rofl!
Have a great evening!


30 posted on 01/26/2013 7:35:49 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Bratch
Let Smokers Die? barry too?
31 posted on 01/26/2013 8:33:19 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Bratch

Hey, these guys would say the same about AIDS victims, right?


32 posted on 01/26/2013 8:33:39 PM PST by GOPJ ( Do murder laws control murders?..freeper Red Badger Let's try Criminal control - Fr:MadMax)
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To: Bratch

The left wants to shame the obese? Have they looked at their voting base?


33 posted on 01/26/2013 8:40:20 PM PST by Figment
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To: Persevero
We need to shame active homosexuals, too. They have way way higher STD rates, not to mention cancers and AIDS. Also, the promiscuous.

Also, the paedophilia. While the drive by media tries to cover it up; e.g., Jesse Dirkhising. The frequency of this pederasty is so great that one can wonder if it is a form of homosexual reproduction.

34 posted on 01/26/2013 8:42:56 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Most commercial dieting programs (and they generally work pretty well today, to their credit)”

A good business to get into. No one ever went broke selling food to fat people


35 posted on 01/26/2013 9:11:47 PM PST by Figment
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To: Bratch
AP, NBC Ask: Time to Publicly Shame the Obese, Let Smokers Die?...on the other hand, a physician in the audience at one of the National Review Instutute sessions on C-Span today told of a 450 pound patient of his who told him to go "F - myself" because the doctor had tried to get the patient to follow some measures to improve his health - the patient said if he did that he'd lose his Social Security Disability coverage - in some cases it might be quite proper to require recipients to follow health guidelines - or lose their benefits......
36 posted on 01/26/2013 9:14:18 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Figment

Some concentrate on selling foods, like Jenny Craig and Seattle Sutton. Others concentrate more on planning, like Weight Watchers. (There are officially rated Weight Watchers foods sold through supermarkets, but those have become less important now that WW has opened up their formulas, to the point one can mash in the label nutrition data to an app and get the points towards daily quota.)


37 posted on 01/26/2013 9:17:29 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I figured this out about the carpet glue: we aren’t dying fast enough for them (some of us are in our 70s and healthy as horses; much healthier than our non-smoking relatives, for example) and it’s threatening their “statistics” - you know, the ones that call every smoker’s death a “smoking-related death”, whether they were run over by a bus, fell off a building, got melanoma, drowned in the ocean, or whatever. So they’re trying to kill us with carpet glue. I’m not kidding, either.


38 posted on 01/26/2013 9:42:42 PM PST by CatDancer (Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty. 2 Cor.3:17)
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To: Bratch

I’d like to see what happens to these pencil d!ck liberals when they get all jacked up in a fat black woman’s face. LOL

They will only bully fat white people. They are not going to harass anyone who would take their lights out and call them a raaaaacis.


39 posted on 01/26/2013 9:46:28 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Bratch

Hmmm..... Public shaming campaigns against fat people?

Uhhhhh, aren’t you the same prisses so invested in so called antibullying.

Real good there slick. Publicly humiliate people who May already suffer from esteem issues as they measure themselves in the mirror everyday .

No, no. You go about doing your lords work, acting all holier than thou or sow, as you seeit.

See with a strong personality and someone whoops comfortable in their own skin you become the object of derision and ridicule for your petty inhumanity.

To the weaker spirit and emotional basket case you become the fuse, self lighting and agrandizing, that sparks the explosion inside, causing that person to take their life, as they don’t feel in control of their and now are powerless to stop you from hurting them.

Yer a real saint there jackass and I’m pretty good at finding fault with boils like you and using the right tool to excise you as so much putrid pass.


40 posted on 01/26/2013 9:49:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Persevero

Our species evolved to survive regular cycles of famine. If you didn’t pack on a few extra pounds, whenever there was plenty of food; you wouldn’t survive the next famine. Body fat is now considered an organ, as it produces the hormone leptin. When we lose too much fat, the remaining fat screams at our body to eat more. For many thousands of years, this was essential to survival. Now, when few in the western world ever know hunger, let alone famine, these survival mechanisms make it hard to keep our weight within an “acceptable” range.

The “ideal” weight tables seem to have more to do with aesthetics than they do with real health requirements. Interestingly, the aesthetic standards have changed dramatically over time. When food shortages, and periodic famine was the norm, plump people were considered most attractive. In men, the extra pounds was a display of wealth. In women, the extra pounds made it more likely the woman could bear and nurse healthy children. Only the poor were skinny. How times have changed!


41 posted on 01/26/2013 10:47:14 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Impala64ssa

His former wife Linda was a strict vegan but she died. So eating healthy will not guarantee you a long life. It doesn’t mean we should not try to eat a more healthy meals but that should be our choice not the government.


42 posted on 01/26/2013 10:59:21 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: coop71

Yeah but it happens don’t it!


43 posted on 01/26/2013 11:13:38 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: irv

Many of them are Public Servants I will start the list with Charlie Rangle


44 posted on 01/26/2013 11:50:37 PM PST by funfan
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To: tallyhoe
Just because you eat healthy, don’t smoke and exercise doesn’t mean you will live longer. You can have an accident, heart attack, stroke. cancer!!! When god decides it is your time you will go!!!

Too true. I had a civilian working for me when I was still enlisted. he had never smoked, probably had less than a case of beer in his life, rode his bicycle to work to stay healthy and save money (product of the depression) yet at 57 years of age came down with the same type lymphoma that killed Jackie O. I've also known folks who smoked and drank and lived into their late 80s mid-90s.

45 posted on 01/27/2013 4:53:40 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: irv

> How about letting a**holes die? Publicly name them and refuse them all medical treatment. After all, they’re just going to die miserable and alone anyway. And they degrade the quality of life for everyone around them besides.

I say those people do MUCH more harm to society, both financially and emotionally, than smokers or fat people. So let’s get rid of them!

If you do that no one else we get to receive medical treatment because the lines will extend for miles for years, especially around college campuses...: )


46 posted on 01/27/2013 5:10:42 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: trebb

Too true. I had a civilian working for me when I was still enlisted. he had never smoked, probably had less than a case of beer in his life, rode his bicycle to work to stay healthy and save money (product of the depression) yet at 57 years of age came down with the same type lymphoma that killed Jackie O. I’ve also known folks who smoked and drank and lived into their late 80s mid-90s.

Yep!!


47 posted on 01/27/2013 11:17:46 AM PST by tallyhoe
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