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Only Rebellion Can Save America
New York Daily Sun ^ | Jan 25, 2013 | Lawrence Sellin

Posted on 01/27/2013 4:18:28 PM PST by Codetrader

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1 posted on 01/27/2013 4:18:40 PM PST by Codetrader
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To: Codetrader

I very truly fear that it is coming to just that.
God help us find another way.


2 posted on 01/27/2013 4:22:32 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Ouchthatonehurt
God help us find another way.

I say we get it over with now. The sooner the better.

3 posted on 01/27/2013 4:24:41 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: unixfox

God helps those who help themselves, I have heard it said.

What do you propose we do?


4 posted on 01/27/2013 4:27:20 PM PST by basil (basil)
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To: unixfox

All goes into flux at that point and the law of in intended consequences takes over. A clearly articulated and led political alternative is needed first.


5 posted on 01/27/2013 4:27:53 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Codetrader

This from NY Sun ? Last time I saw something from it here it was fronting for the regime. Any New Yorker FR know anything about this publication ?


6 posted on 01/27/2013 4:30:50 PM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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To: Codetrader

The Colonel has hit the nail on the head.

BUMP!

This thread should have at least 300 replies.


7 posted on 01/27/2013 4:30:54 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: unixfox

Now, rather than leave it to the kids.


8 posted on 01/27/2013 4:32:51 PM PST by bicyclerepair (toodamtall1@yahoo.com)
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To: Codetrader

The day will come and when it does I will be ready

and for all those that say “Nay, we will die in vain!”

at least we went down fighting, less can be said for others


9 posted on 01/27/2013 4:33:34 PM PST by Tyrannis (Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

If you read the essay, you’ll note that the Colonel has already dismissed elections as a means to an end. The election process in this country is corrupted to the point of failure, and I believe we’ll see how truly bad it has become in 2014, if we make it that far.


10 posted on 01/27/2013 4:35:12 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Codetrader

“When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty.” Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson said a lot of things that were pertinent back in the day, and those same words — and the above is just one quote — are more pertinent today, because the assault on freedom is so much more intolerable today than it was in the 1770s. George III was a benign benefactor compared to Obama and his minions.


11 posted on 01/27/2013 4:35:46 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Codetrader

The messiness of revolutions isn’t limited to physical violence. Societies convulse as well.

We revolted, in part, against Great Britain because colonial administration did not provide for civil means to redress our grievances.

Our wise Framers provided those means, of peaceful redress. First among them is the fact that the people are represented.

Let’s say we fight and win. Then what? The same corrupted populace will remain. Will they demand a return to the Constitution?

Don’t bet on it.


12 posted on 01/27/2013 4:38:53 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Codetrader

It really is surreal, how much the country seems to be rapidly re-configuring itself into a one-party rule. You have the media transforming from age-old liberal biases to becoming an all-out “partner” to Obama and his agenda, while the GOP has all but given up being a genuine “opposition” party, capitulating and even colluding on every issue from budgets to amnesty to just about everything.

This one-party rule is a paradigm that leads to tyranny. Always. And very, very quickly. We’re at an incredibly dangerous stage.


13 posted on 01/27/2013 4:40:01 PM PST by greene66
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Btt


14 posted on 01/27/2013 4:40:23 PM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: Tyrannis

And if so, the good news is that there would be no one left alive to work for and therefore sustain the 47% who will not work to feed and house and clothe themselves.

Then the Statists will have the unpleasant duty of trying to force them to work. And the entirety will collapse completely.

America will be a political ghost town and the first one in gets to stake their flag.


15 posted on 01/27/2013 4:40:52 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: rarestia

I do agree with the Colonel’s diagnosis, it’s the severity of the cure I have reservations with. Unless a case be clearly made, with violations of the constitution clearly articulated and damages to the republic be undeniably placed in evidence, the cart is way, way in front of the horse.
And remember...Big Sis is always listening.


16 posted on 01/27/2013 4:47:55 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Codetrader

Semper Col Sellin!

Gunny G
aka: Dick G
*****


17 posted on 01/27/2013 4:48:16 PM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

the situation we’re in is dire. There are any number possible outcomes; these outcomes will be determined by known and unknown factors. We can still hope for the best while preparing for the worst.


18 posted on 01/27/2013 4:50:16 PM PST by Tyrannis (Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted)
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To: Codetrader

Think out of the box - what are small ways that everyone, young and old, can protest against the FEDS every day? A kind of protracted civil-disobedience campaign....

Any ideas?


19 posted on 01/27/2013 4:50:22 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Codetrader; a fool in paradise

Remembering Waco, Ruby Ridge and before that Kent State, I don’t see a scenario where Americans would sacrifice to interrupt their sports TV watching, shopping, talking and texting on cellphones (women), and Twitter tweeting in order to engage in a rebellion. Recall that they (”we”) wouldn’t do that to seriously consider our choices during the past election, despite hard times, gasoline prices twice what they were 4 years earlier, food prices going up, effective unemployment at 15%, and so on. Don’t bug me now, I’m watching Okrah!


20 posted on 01/27/2013 4:52:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Codetrader

It seems that there is a race to implode the US. The Leftists want a gradual implosion that results in a relatively smooth transition to a police state. The Left is implementing an incremental loss of 2A, 1A, and 4A, that way, there will be a weaker consensus for resistance. Publicly financed PR campaigns against guns, against hate speech bully comfortable moderates conservatives in to PC submission. TSA groin checks at airports and new check points are getting the plebs used to tyranny.
However, a rapid implosion will result in an over-reach and backlash. The, we at least might have a chance.


21 posted on 01/27/2013 4:58:25 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: ought-six
George III was a benign benefactor compared to Obama and his minions.You are correct sir, and injustice has been the law of the land for quite some time. That rebellion could happen, is almost a given, but which side will the armed forces come down on? That is the question.
22 posted on 01/27/2013 5:02:50 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: grumpygresh

Instead of acceding to all their demands and worrying about their feelings why dont we just become their worst nightmares and start acting like the bullies they claim us to be. Next liberal pocket protector nerd I see gets a wedgie and hung in the locker...: )


23 posted on 01/27/2013 5:06:29 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Unfortunately those of us who care about our country might not have any other choice!


24 posted on 01/27/2013 5:06:40 PM PST by jayrunner
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To: Codetrader

I very much disagree. Only GOD can save this country.

We are in this mess because, in many ways, we have ignored Him and His Wisdom.


25 posted on 01/27/2013 5:09:35 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Codetrader

John Brown

Radical Abolitionist
1800-1859

JB II

John Brown (Courtesy Library of Congress)

"I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land
can never be purged away but with blood. I had as I now think, vainly
flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done."

26 posted on 01/27/2013 5:10:05 PM PST by Bratch
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To: rarestia

The ‘RATS will be getting 99% of the vote after this.


27 posted on 01/27/2013 5:10:32 PM PST by MtnClimber (I did not vote for 0bama, someone else did that!)
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28 posted on 01/27/2013 5:13:45 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: jayrunner

It is precisely love of country which motivates the desire to avoid the Colonel’s conclusion.
Our Country was founded on ideas- bold ideas. Those ideas/ideals are being stolen (BHO 2nd Inagural Address) and turned into something quite different. This battle needs to be waged on an intellectual front. I refuse to believe the citizens of this country are that far gone that they cannot be convinced through passionate argumentation. I’ll admit it’s an uphill struggle, but I’m not ready to give up on it, or them.


29 posted on 01/27/2013 5:16:37 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: SumProVita

I heartily agree with that FRiend.


30 posted on 01/27/2013 5:18:05 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Mark17

“That rebellion could happen, is almost a given, but which side will the armed forces come down on? That is the question.”

I think the military will break 50/50, same with LEO.


31 posted on 01/27/2013 5:19:36 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
“When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty.”...Thomas Jefferson.

As over wrought as Sellin appears today, what he said here is no less applicable than were the pre-revolution writings of our key founding fathers.

Sad.

32 posted on 01/27/2013 5:21:19 PM PST by norton
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To: Codetrader

As I’ve posted before, I am surprised that an “incremental” revolution hasn’t already begun; one in which certain corrupt politicians and some of their evil enablers in the media, have simply disappeared, never to be heard from again. One by one: poof!


33 posted on 01/27/2013 5:21:55 PM PST by Salvey
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To: PGR88

Business owners not hiring Obama supporters
Accepting cash and paying less in taxes

For starters.... Compile a huge list of ways to starve the beast


34 posted on 01/27/2013 5:26:11 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Codetrader

If the way is cleared for a third 0bumble term (already proposed) it should be on.


35 posted on 01/27/2013 5:32:43 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Yes indeed.

Perhaps a quote from Common Sense ll

The future of this great nation is imperiled as it has not been since the revolutionary war. Slowly, ever so slowly, our freedoms have evaporated into the air of a slow motion tyranny. As Americans this was the only way to conquer us—so slowly that most of us accepted a “small” encroachment here and a “small” encroachment there, as necessary to satisfy the ever increasing hunger of the statist.


36 posted on 01/27/2013 5:33:50 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Codetrader; Ouchthatonehurt
I agree that the First Republic is coming to an end.

I blame Congress as much, if not more, than Obama. Obama is a symptom of the crisis, Congress' failure to protect their exclusive legislative powers and their inability to manage the value of money IS the crisis.

In any event, because something has to change, it will. A cursory acquaintance with history suggests a Sulla, or a Cromwell. We were very lucky with GEN Washington.

Gestures of rebellion with the US Armed Forces on the other side, while gallant, are futile. As pointed out by ouchthatonehurt, there is a lot of political work to be done before the inflection point.

There must be a disloyal political movement. By disloyal, I mean a political movement that renounces the legitimacy of Congress' acts of pretended legislation and that denies their right to rule. This movement must not be armed - that's ANOTHER movement's job. Members of our movement elected to Congress will refuse to take their seats, but they will not face arrest.

As the rightness of the movement becomes better known, the righteousness of armed resistance will be understood by more than could understand it today.

The goal is to expel the corrupt occupation regime and to replace it with a legal, constitutional government. People who think that can be accomplished by patriot rifle squads fighting the US Army and Marine Corps are not engaged with reality.

37 posted on 01/27/2013 5:36:59 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: PGR88

Think out of the box - what are small ways that everyone, young and old, can protest against the FEDS every day? A kind of protracted civil-disobedience campaign....

Any ideas?

Stop flying.

Everbody, stop flying


38 posted on 01/27/2013 5:41:37 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Jacquerie

“First among them is the fact that the people are represented.”

Yes, and how is that taxation WITH representation working out for you?


39 posted on 01/27/2013 5:42:15 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: ought-six
'Uniforms' will be ones 'birthday suit'...
It will de-volve to that probably very quickly.
Just look at the demographics of voters...
40 posted on 01/27/2013 5:45:20 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: ought-six
I think the military will break 50/50, same with LEO.

I have done both, and I know which side I am on. Down with the demon rats.

41 posted on 01/27/2013 5:46:30 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: unixfox

Yeah. I’d like to get on with my life and plan for the future. I can’t do that with that bastard in the White House, the spineless, ball-less lawmakers in DC and that il duce, fascist governor that is intent on enslaving me in Albany.

Molon labe.


42 posted on 01/27/2013 5:50:34 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: jsanders2001

Agreed.

Just as the left wants to “nudge” Americans to the progressive side, we can “nudge”, as well.

I enjoyed hearing that a gun show locally had huge lines, today—lines no one had ever experienced before at a show.

Don’t think that congresscritters don’t fear this. Don’t think that politicians don’t fear this. Instead of us becoming mind-numbed robots to their propaganda, people are worrying and mistrusting the MSM-—and ARMING themselves, not only with means of self defense, but food, water and most importantly—intelligence. The “progressive’s” biggest mistake is in believing the conservative American people are as stupid as their followers.

No one in their right mind believes the media’s lies, or the pResident’s, for that matter. People are gearing up. (the smart people...the others, well...Bath-House can take care of them; but, don’t expect those a-holes to get off the couch and fight.)


43 posted on 01/27/2013 5:51:27 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: upchuck

“This thread should have at least 300 replies.”

Here’s mine...


44 posted on 01/27/2013 5:52:36 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

What do you propose to replace representative government with?


45 posted on 01/27/2013 5:53:42 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie

I would suggest that we RESTORE representative government.


46 posted on 01/27/2013 5:57:57 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Jacquerie

“Let’s say we fight and win. Then what? The same corrupted populace will remain. Will they demand a return to the Constitution?”

No, the populace will not remain the same.

For many, the portion of the populace that openly has supported this regime will be primary targets. It’s a matter of eliminating liabilities and preserving assets.

We do not want an armed rebellion, as many millions will die. This has to happen without violence if at all possible.


47 posted on 01/27/2013 6:01:01 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Jacquerie
The same corrupted populace will remain.

Not many. And the dead will lose their franchise to vote.

48 posted on 01/27/2013 6:01:01 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Jacquerie

“What do you propose to replace representative government with?”

I’m sorry that I can’t give to you a candid reply. I do not want Big Brother’s Thugs crashing into my home at 3 in the morning nor do I want to be banned from FR. :-)

Besides, I’m too old to worry about any of it. I just like to stir the pot. :-)


49 posted on 01/27/2013 6:07:00 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Codetrader

bttt


50 posted on 01/27/2013 6:08:24 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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