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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been on welfare twice in my life. Once, during the 1990-1994 recession, when I was on it for five months, and more recently, during this current economic Charlie Foxtrot, I was forced to go back on it for several months. I assure you that I don’t find being on the dole even REMOTELY pleasant, in fact it made me feel like some sort of criminal.

The only thing that bothers me more about the whole system is that in many ways it’s like a pitcher plant. It’s hard to get out of it, especially when all you can find is minimum wage jobs. There really has to be some sort of more effective methodology than “work or starve” on one extreme and the “nanny state” on the other, but the system really is broken.


20 posted on 01/28/2013 2:37:10 AM PST by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: Kriggerel
You seem to "get it" vis-a-vis the two extremes.

Education is often touted as a solution, but most people think of traditional colleges and universities. That kind of education has devolved into a racket often handing out degrees worth their weight in toilet paper.

In fact, the potential for self-education abounds. Unfortunately, few are of this persuasion as we've a glut a sheep and a deficit of foxes.

The goal is not to have things handed to one. The goal is to become objectively good at something one is passionate about.

As an employer I want people who are inclined to learn and innovate, not sheep accustomed to being led nor the entitlement-minded who expect a job handed to them because they happen to bear some establishment-oriented imprimatur. I'll take experience and demonstrated self-discipline any day. Energy, enthusiasm, competence...

23 posted on 01/28/2013 2:59:56 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: Kriggerel
"I assure you that I don’t find being on the dole even REMOTELY pleasant, in fact it made me feel like some sort of criminal."

You must not be one of holder's people then. I used to work for subsidized housing in a small city. The dirty little secret is that certain "ethnicities" are rubber stamped through on these various programs due the fact that bureaucrats don't want any "trouble" from community organizers. Obama's sons and daughters usually have a MUCH more streamlined process.

I actually experienced this with my own two children; one happens to be bi-racial. His application was NEVER EVER audited for reduced price school lunch. At the time I had two jobs, no child support and was the divorced mom of two. (I was married to both of my children's fathers and both children came at least nine months after marriage).

My daughter, who is white, had her application CONSISTENTLY audited each semester. Same financial information on both apps. I asked the school why this was and they acted as though they had been caught red handed. I was even told that my son could get happily bussed to any one of the better city magnet schools, but my daughter had to walk 2 miles through the worst neighborhoods to the worst schools due to the "racial balance" (inbalance).

They even had a little map with symbols for the various races of children and where they could go. Needless to say I threatened to show this to the media and they backed down, allowing both of my children to ride the same bus to the magnet school.

24 posted on 01/28/2013 3:04:02 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Kriggerel

I can’t do much myself now, due to health, but I was a career counselor and recruiter for 25 years. Anyone here who wants me to find them (or a family member/friend/neighbor/co-religionist) a job or a better position, FReepmail me.


26 posted on 01/28/2013 3:12:56 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Kriggerel

“There really has to be some sort of more effective methodology than ‘work or starve’ on one extreme and the ‘nanny state’ on the other”

Gee, if only humanity had invented social institutions between the individual and the state. We could call them “families,” “churches,” or “fraternal organizations.” Naw, that’s crazy talk./s

By the way, Lenin’s replacement for “he who does not work shall not eat” was “he who does not obey shall not eat.” Which I bring up because your “work or starve” reminded me of it. That’s the gubmint’s (and Tim Allen’s) perennial solution: more power. Only it didn’t work with Lenin, even, who had almost total power, as lots of people who obeyed starved to death, too.


34 posted on 01/28/2013 3:54:32 AM PST by Tublecane
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