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Timbuktu mayor: Mali rebels torched library of ancient manuscripts
Guardian ^ | , Monday 28 January 2013 08.37 EST | Luke Harding in Sévaré

Posted on 01/28/2013 6:22:27 AM PST by Pan_Yan

Islamist insurgents retreating from the ancient Saharan city of Timbuktu have set fire to a library containing thousands of priceless ancient manuscripts, some dating back to the 13th century, in what the town's mayor described as a "devastating blow" to world heritage.

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The manuscripts survived for centuries in Timbuktu on the edge of the Sahara hidden in wooden trunks, boxes beneath the sand and caves. The majority are written in Arabic, with some in African languages, and one in Hebrew, and cover a diverse range of topics including astronomy, poetry, music, medicine and women's rights. The oldest dated from 1204.

Seydo Traoré, a researcher at the Ahmed Baba Institute, who fled Timbuktu last year shortly before the rebels arrived, said only a fraction of the manuscripts had been digitised.

"They cover geography, history and religion. We had one in Turkish. We don't know what it said."

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ancientmanuscripts; epigraphyandlanguage; france; godsgravesglyphs; libraries; mali; malilibrary; maliwar; religionofpieces; timbuktu

1 posted on 01/28/2013 6:22:33 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Muslim is pond scum.


2 posted on 01/28/2013 6:24:56 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


3 posted on 01/28/2013 6:27:13 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Pan_Yan

Its the Muslim’s MO.


4 posted on 01/28/2013 6:27:14 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Pan_Yan

That is a reprehensible loss. Cretins destroying history. Very sad.


5 posted on 01/28/2013 6:32:23 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Alexandria all over again.

/johnny

6 posted on 01/28/2013 6:33:14 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Pan_Yan

So these were all known about, but never studied/copied/read/recorded/photographed/etc. ??

(confused head-scratching)


7 posted on 01/28/2013 6:33:30 AM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Hell...nobody cares...manuscripts??...we don' need no steeeekin manuscripts....

..at least they knew enough not to piss everybody off by drowning a bunch of puppies...

8 posted on 01/28/2013 6:36:00 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: alancarp

That’s Timbuktu for ya.


9 posted on 01/28/2013 6:36:35 AM PST by babble-on
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yep, took the words right out of my mouth. Wonder how long before the vast majority of our so-called “scholars” deny it ever happened, as they now do in regards to Alexandria?


10 posted on 01/28/2013 6:39:01 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Pan_Yan

Amazingly (well, maybe not anymore), within 24 hours, Iran will announce that it was the Jews that torched the library at Timbuktu, the Muslim 5th column in the West will blame it on the French and seek revenge, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry will blame the act on some as yet unidentified Western incitement for the jihadi actions, and President Zero will withhold comment seeking “a deeper understanding.”

What a terrible loss of knowledge...after surviving all those centuries.


11 posted on 01/28/2013 6:39:01 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Of course they would burn libraries. The goal is to send the whole world back to the 8th century to match their intellectual, cultural,societal, philosophical, and moral level.


12 posted on 01/28/2013 6:39:22 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: skeeter

It’s everybody’s MO. In the 18th century, when English colonists from Georgia and South Carolina attacked Spanish Florida, they burned the Franciscan convent in St Augustine. Fearing that they hadn’t done enough damage, they actually went back and burned what was considered one of the most valuable libraries of its time in the territory that is now the US. The Franciscan library consisted of books on the sciences, languages, music, theology and philosophy, as well as maps and of course the documents relating to the records of the Franciscan missions. It was a disastrous loss to later scholars, and certainly to the people of the time.

It’s a very spiteful, gratuitously ugly act but not restricted to Muslims, alas.


13 posted on 01/28/2013 6:40:46 AM PST by livius
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To: alancarp
but never studied/copied/read/recorded/photographed/etc. ??

They were in the process of being studied, etc, but there were a lot of them, and there weren't many researchers involved, it is, after all, at Timbuktu. Not the easiest place to get to, and certainly not a center of high tech.

/johnny

14 posted on 01/28/2013 6:42:26 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Captain Rhino
Hillary Clinton and John Kerry will blame the act on some as yet unidentified Western incitement for the jihadi actions...”

Nope. Halliburton wanted to drill there for oil.

15 posted on 01/28/2013 6:52:54 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Pan_Yan

This is like when the Taliban blew up those Buddhist statues in Afghanistan.

These animals know only death and destruction and it is about time the world gave it to THEM wholesale. They are a cancer on humanity and need to be wiped from the face of the earth before they engulf us.


16 posted on 01/28/2013 6:53:41 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Pan_Yan

No surprise here...remember the statues in Afghanistan?

For the “Religion” of Pieces history begins with the birth of MoHAMhead, pizz be upon him.


17 posted on 01/28/2013 7:00:46 AM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Captain Rhino
Hillary Clinton and John Kerry will blame the act on some as yet unidentified Western incitement for the jihadi actions, and President Zero will withhold comment seeking “a deeper understanding.”

And MSNBC will blame it on the Tea Party.

18 posted on 01/28/2013 7:11:29 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Pan_Yan

And these Muslim terrorists were likely armed and trained by the US in the Libyan war and its aftermath.


19 posted on 01/28/2013 7:12:30 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Perdogg

20 posted on 01/28/2013 7:20:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Pan_Yan

This is why Western nation SHOULD loot third world cesspits like Mali of their “treasures.” At least if it is our museums, it would be protected. We should have cleaned out Iraq...


21 posted on 01/28/2013 7:20:09 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: livius
t’s everybody’s MO. In the 18th century . . . It’s a very spiteful, gratuitously ugly act but not restricted to Muslims, alas.

Well, then, so are murder, kidnapping, slavery, and rape "everybody's MO." To deny these are a Moslem specialty is to descend into meaningless generalization. For Moslems, these crimes are part of their pirate religion, and they commit them more than anyone.

For a contrast, when the Aztecs were overthrown in Mexico, the Catholic Church didn't torch old documents—it had them translated. That's in keeping with the Church's tradition of learning native languages and keeping and developing what is good in native cultures, to anchor everything in Christ.

In Israel, the Israelis preserve and document antiquities and holy sites—including the Moslem ones. The Moslem-Palis destroy them, including their own, because they often give the lie to whatever is the current Islamist party line about the sordid history of Islam.

The Christian ethic has been so strong in the West (despite human temptation to the contrary) that it has shown up in some surprising places. When the German Army occupied Paris, Hitler ordered it burned. His generals ignored the message, ordered another Cognac, and went to the museums.

Yes, the West is different. Islam delenda est.

22 posted on 01/28/2013 7:27:20 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: livius

Key words, “In the 18th century”. We’ve evolved, Islam hasn’t.


23 posted on 01/28/2013 7:29:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: JRandomFreeper
Not the easiest place to get to, and certainly not a center of high tech.

There was a time, not all that long ago, when it was THE center of knowledge.

24 posted on 01/28/2013 7:36:07 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: SamuraiScot
For a contrast, when the Aztecs were overthrown in Mexico, the Catholic Church didn't torch old documents—it had them translated.

Sadly, this simply isn't true.

25 posted on 01/28/2013 7:39:19 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: Pan_Yan

What is their saying, something like: “If it isn’t contained in the Koran, ...”


26 posted on 01/28/2013 7:41:35 AM PST by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Is 13th century now considered ancient? I thought it was medieval, like Islam.


27 posted on 01/28/2013 7:45:20 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: SamuraiScot
Context: it wasn't so much the Catholic Church that burned the Mayan and Aztec codices, it was SPANISH priests who did.

Spain had just escaped centuries of brutal islamist rule, the taint of which lead directly to The Inquisition and the burning of the codices.

It takes any culture time to recover from that big of a trauma.

28 posted on 01/28/2013 7:46:46 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: exnavy; Pan_Yan; skeeter; SueRae; JRandomFreeper; Captain Rhino
well, in fairness, this was Moslems destroying Moslem culture.

it's just like the same bunch of radical Moslems (Wahabbis/Salafis -- sponsored by Saudia) who destroyed the 1400 year old tombs of the first Caliphs and Mohammed's wives in Mecca. The Saudis were about to destroy Mohammed's tomb as well but were stopped by Moslem outcry from around the world.

to Captain Rhino -- note that the ones doing the destroying are/were radical Sunnis. The Shia's (12'ers like the Shias in Iran and Iraq but also 5ers like the Ismailis and Bohris) and Ibadis will oppose this as will the mystical Sunnis -- the Sufis

29 posted on 01/28/2013 7:55:22 AM PST by Cronos
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To: SueRae
That is a reprehensible loss. Cretins destroying history. Very sad.

Isn't it obvious the purpose of Muslims and leftists? They want to destroy traces of history so that they can re-write it in their own words and to favor their own goals.

Don't be surprised if there's an unexplained fire in the Library of Congress, the Smithsonian, or the National Archives at some point during Bambi's tenure. They want this history of this nation to be re-written.

30 posted on 01/28/2013 7:56:23 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

In Obama World the 80s were medieval.

The mid-40s, about the time of the surrender to the Allied Powers, was when the serpent showed up in the Garden of Eden.


31 posted on 01/28/2013 8:18:03 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: SueRae
That is a reprehensible loss. Cretins destroying history. Very sad.

In order to rewrite history, you must destroy the current version of it. You must absorb what is there and change it to your liking, inserting and deleting wherever needed to accommodate your view.

This happens over and over. The Muslims are just the latest and most brazen example.

32 posted on 01/28/2013 8:32:06 AM PST by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: rarestia

Sadly, it wouldn’t. But at least we have a lot of digitized records as well. Timbuktu did not. We’ll never know what has been lost. Like losing the Library of Alexandria for them. And us. :-(


33 posted on 01/28/2013 9:18:06 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Cronos
Check.

The opposition of the Muslim world will have no more effect on the radical Sunnis, Wahabbis, and Salafis, than did the outcry over the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan. They simply view anyone and anything not falling within their very constrained circle of faith to be unworthy of consideration. The fact that others, regardless of faith, regarded the tombs, the ancient manuscripts, or the ancient statues as part of the cultural and artistic heritage of mankind only excites them to commit these acts because they know the pain it will cause. This is unconstrained nihilism being carried out by self-empowered adult men who have no more maturity than teenage boys.

We are already seeing desecrations of religious buildings, graves, and public monuments in Europe by young Muslim men who have fallen under the sway of this thinking. (Not to mention the murders, rapes, etc. arising from the same community.) Can there be any doubt of what would remain if such an ideology were to gain ascendancy in the West?

Only force deters them; only the grave will stop them.

34 posted on 01/28/2013 9:47:22 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: null and void
For a contrast, when the Aztecs were overthrown in Mexico, the Catholic Church didn't torch old documents—it had them translated.

Sadly, this simply isn't true.

Sadly, how soon we forget. Here's a well-known example indeed of a Spanish priest burning Mayan and Aztec codices—and being condemned for it by the Spanish (Catholic) government itself.

It gets even more complicated. This very priest, Fr. Diego de Landa, had created a phonetic alphabet for recording and translating the Mayan hieroglyphic code. It is because of his work that we can read Mayan symbols at all. (His system was finally understood as phonetic, rather than ideographic, in 1952.) And Mayan culture and society are understood today because of his journal and other writings. What he said was that most of what he burned involved devil-worship. The Spanish decided he'd gone overboard, and condemned him for it.

Here we are, living in a culture that respects the past—comparatively speaking, since we did not do as Mao did, torching every speck of ancient Chinese knowledge and architecture he could get his hands on. (Which the ancestor-worshipping ancient Chinese sages had preserved.) Torching your enemies' stuff (oops, as the pagan Vikings and Huns also did) is typical human behavior. It's only a confident culture that seeks objective truth that fights this urge and seeks instead to understand what went before—knowing that its own search for truth in Christ is stronger than faction or tribe.

The Soviets extirpated all the inconvenient knowledge they could, and it crippled them and resulted in their downfall. The liberals here rewrite history continuously, and their lies never agree with each other—so they must continually change the subject and "Move On." (There has never been a more aptly named organization.)

Get this straight: Yes, the victors among men usually try to destroy their enemies' history. But we live in a culture (the Christian tradition) where this is largely not the case. The lamentable exceptions to our historical sensitivity are just that—exceptions. Don't accuse the West of being in the same category as the Moslems or most other pagans.

And what went on before the Mayans and the Aztecs? Certainly the practical-minded Aztecs did not invent the writing or Indian culture they used. Did they torch it all?

35 posted on 01/28/2013 10:31:30 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Perdogg

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Perdogg.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


36 posted on 02/02/2013 8:55:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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