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OBAMA SECRETLY PLEDGES TO DIVIDE JERUSALEM. Will press Israel into new so-called land-for-peace
Klein on Line ^ | 1/28/13 | Aaron Klein

Posted on 01/28/2013 7:30:29 AM PST by Nachum

TEL AVIV – Now that he has secured his second term, President Barack Obama has already secretly pledged to the Palestinians he will press Israel into a new round of so-called land-for-peace negotiations, a top Palestinian Authority negotiator told KleinOnline.

The negotiator said top members of the Obama administration told the Palestinians the U.S. president will renew talks aimed at creating a Palestinian state in the so-called 1967 borders – meaning in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and, notably, eastern Jerusalem.

The negotiator further revealed when it comes to dividing Jerusalem, Obama wants to rehash what is known as the Clinton parameters.

That formula, pushed by Bill Clinton during the Camp David talks in 2000, called for Jewish areas of Jerusalem to remain Israeli while the Palestinians will get sovereignty over neighborhoods that are largely Arab.

KleinOnline previously reported how Palestinians are building illegally in Jewish-owned areas of Jerusalem, changing facts on the ground and resulting in Arab majorities on certain neighborhoods.

This is not the first time the Palestinians are claiming Obama will push for new talks during a second term.

(Excerpt) Read more at kleinonline.wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2statesolution; bible; divide; dividejerusalem; jerusalem; lastdays; obama; obamapolicy; palestinestatehood; prophecy; secretly; zechariah12
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Oh c'mon Aaron, it's not really a secret.

Full title: OBAMA SECRETLY PLEDGES TO DIVIDE JERUSALEM. Will press Israel into new so-called land-for-peace talks

1 posted on 01/28/2013 7:30:43 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

bttt

Also Israel about to nuke Syria...

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2982561/posts


2 posted on 01/28/2013 7:33:31 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: Nachum

No problems. The Israelis will tell Obama what he can do with his pledge...


3 posted on 01/28/2013 7:33:31 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Little Ray

The Israelis will tell Obama what he can do with his pledge...

I think Jehovah trumps Obama and God is not pleased.


4 posted on 01/28/2013 7:39:18 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Little Ray

Exactly.


5 posted on 01/28/2013 7:40:04 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Little Ray
No problems. The Israelis will tell Obama what he can do with his pledge...

FOBO?

6 posted on 01/28/2013 7:41:14 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Nachum

when you win a war and take land back, you get to keep the land.

afaik the israelis didn’t start the 67 war either.


7 posted on 01/28/2013 7:46:09 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The 1967 war was started by the Israelis but they claimed that it was a pre-emptive strike against an anticipated Egyptian attack.


8 posted on 01/28/2013 7:49:57 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

The Israelis “started” the 1967 war in the same sense that you could say that they will have started a war with Iran if they attack its nuclear facilities. Egypt’s president Nassar maintained a steady drumbeat of threats to drive Israel into the sea, and then he followed up with illegally closing the Suez Canal, taking away one of Israel’s main shipping channels, in an effort to weaken the Jewish state.


9 posted on 01/28/2013 7:53:42 AM PST by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: Little Ray
The Israelis will tell Obama what he can do with his pledge...

Perhaps. But then would happen if Obama started withdrawing US aid to Israel as "punishment"? No more money, no more spare parts for military equipment, no more sharing of intelligence. It would be an embargo, without actually using the word.

And what would happen if Obama encouraged other nations to do the same, all in the interest of "peace"?

Israel is a small nation. It needs big friends.

To all those conservatives who just couldn't vote for Romney because of ________ (fill in the blank), here's another example of the old saying "elections have consequences."

10 posted on 01/28/2013 7:54:40 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Piranha

I am not disputing you. There was clearly an ongoing conflict and threat from the Egyptians before the 1967 war. Indeed, as I pointed out, this was the rationale given by the Israelis for their attack. But the credibility for one’s argument is lost if the fact that in 1967 it was the Israelis who attacked the Egyptians is denied and the 1967 war is presented as an attack by the Egyptians. Rather, acknowledge that this time it was the Israelis who attacked but argue that their attack was a justifiable pre-emptive strike as they claimed.


11 posted on 01/28/2013 8:10:26 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Nachum

Allow me to anticipate Bibi’s response:

“Israel is less concerned with what America may not provide, than we are with the demands they seek to impose.”

Bibi does this after muttering his brief, initial response, under his breath.....


12 posted on 01/28/2013 8:15:36 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Petrosius
That “claim” is backed by a lot of burnt out Egyptian tank hulls sitting on their border.

You may want to invest in a little research, before coming here and posting ludicrous “Israel was the aggressor” memes.

No, I won't do it for you.

13 posted on 01/28/2013 8:20:09 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Petrosius; Piranha

Egypt blockaded the Israeli port of Eilat, its only port in the south and through which flowed all of its trade south and east. Further, Nasser kicked the UN peacekeeping troops out of the Sinai, which had been the only thing that made the Israelis agree to give back Sinai after the 1956 war. Finally, Egypt moved several divisions of troops into Sinai. Any ONE of these things taken separately would have been an act of war. All three, especially when combined with Nasser’s threats to “push the Jews into the sea” and its sudden alliance with Syria presented a mortal threat to Israel’s very existence. The first act of war was on the part of Egypt. Israel committed the second - defensive - act by pre-empting an attack that every thinking person on the planet knew was coming.

Bottom line: Egypt started that war.


14 posted on 01/28/2013 8:23:42 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Petrosius

You’re an idiot. You think Israel should have waiting until Egypt and the rest actually fired the shots before doing what was necessary to defend and win that war. Face it, you’re just pissed Israel won.


15 posted on 01/28/2013 8:25:29 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Saoirise; F15Eagle
Pretty obvious who he's working for at this point.


16 posted on 01/28/2013 8:26:14 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: Nachum

Israel already gave back the damn sinai penensula....

Wasn’t that enough?


17 posted on 01/28/2013 8:32:20 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Petrosius

The 1967 war was started by the Israelis

It looks like a review of history is in order here.


18 posted on 01/28/2013 8:34:49 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: G Larry

And where did I state that “Israel was the aggressor”? I twice acknowledged that there was a conflict and threat from Egypt before the war. The 1967 war was a part of a wider conflict but the war itself was a specific set of actions that started with the pre-emptive strike by the Israelis against the Egyptians and ended with the armistice. Even the Israelis acknowledge that they struck first. This has nothing to do with the question of wether or not they were justified in so acting. It is just historically inaccurate to state that in 1967 it was the Egyptians who actually attacked first.


19 posted on 01/28/2013 8:37:08 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Nachum

Potential timeline bump....

US Returns to Pressuring Israel on 2-State ‘Solution’
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164595#.UQUml_Ja5fx

Door Closing on Peace, Warns Jordan’s King
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164575#.UQUsb_Ja5fw

Kerry: Door for ‘Two-State Solution’ May be Closing
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164557#.UQUsnvJa5fw

.


20 posted on 01/28/2013 8:40:11 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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21 posted on 01/28/2013 8:48:51 AM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: Leaning Right

Israel has cards it hasn’t played. The obama administration is playing with fire if it thinks it can force a division of Jerusalem...because if that EVER happens, hell hath no fury like HaShem scorned.


22 posted on 01/28/2013 9:26:24 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Nachum; KC_Lion; MestaMachine

Could it be more obvious he’s Moselm?

Divide Israel’s capital, Jerusalem?

Not in this earthly lifetime on Bibi’s watch.


23 posted on 01/28/2013 9:42:01 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: MestaMachine

Right!


24 posted on 01/28/2013 9:43:25 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Petrosius

There’s ‘attacking’ and then there’s ‘ATTACKING’.

‘Attacking’ is what the Egyptians did, before the Israelis retaliated by “ATTACKING”.

Egypt started it.

And they got the s-— kicked out of them. Deservedly, I might add.


25 posted on 01/28/2013 9:59:25 AM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: onyx; MestaMachine
I hate him, I honestly do.

I have always been of the opinion that he is More Communist than Muslim.

But this puts serious doubts in my Theory.

Does Ubama think he is the First Tyrant try and Divide our People?

I know that time of the year has passed but maybe if Ubama looked into the History of Chanukah (instead of simply paying lip service too it).

He Would know that with HaShem by our side we threw out the Seleucid's trying to introduce the worship of alien gods.

And if Ubama's people keep calling Jerusalem Al Quds I am going to SCREAM!


26 posted on 01/28/2013 10:16:22 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: G Larry

The Israelis weakened BiBi with leftist power last election.


27 posted on 01/28/2013 10:35:07 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: KC_Lion
Your post is BEAUTIFUL!


Jewish prayers will be answered.
28 posted on 01/28/2013 11:08:35 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx; All


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29 posted on 01/28/2013 11:11:35 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: onyx; All

This is from last Friday’s FR “The Official Friday Silliness
Thread”:

TO WHOM DOES THE LAND OF ISRAEL BELONG??

An Israeli Sense of Humor at United Nations set the record straight.

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly and made the world community smile.

A representative from Israel began: ‘Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses: When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, “What a good opportunity to have a bath!”

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them!”

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted, “What are you talking about? The Palestinians were not there then.”

The Israeli representative smiled and said, “And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech.”


30 posted on 01/28/2013 11:15:39 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Nachum

Not a surprise at all. the interesting thing will be when Obama doesn’t defend Israel in the UN Security Council. He will abandon and isolate them there.


31 posted on 01/28/2013 11:19:05 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Nachum

Tyrant Hussein Obama Second Reich File.


32 posted on 01/28/2013 11:19:21 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: onyx; MestaMachine
Your post is BEAUTIFUL!

Not as beautiful as Israel or the Hearts of those who support it (like you two)

This we must protect.


33 posted on 01/28/2013 11:22:55 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Ancesthntr

Yes, you are correct. I mis-remembered. It wasn’t simply closure of the Suez Canal (which had been closed to Israeli shipping since 1949 except for a 2-year period in the early 1950s, according to Wikipedia); it was a blockade of the Straits of Tiran, which was the only point of access to the Port of Eilat, Israel’s only port that provided access to Eastern Africa and Asia.

Thank you for pointing this out.


34 posted on 01/28/2013 11:37:00 AM PST by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: Petrosius

Quite simply:

” but they claimed that it was a pre-emptive strike “

That phrasing CHALLENGES the claim, as though it were invalid, or lacked any objective proof.

That is BULL!

Subsequent concessions aside.


35 posted on 01/28/2013 12:00:12 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Petrosius

CORRECTED:

If you start to draw your gun BEFORE THE OTHER GUY, and he draws after you but faster than you, and shoots you first, did he “attack” you first?


38 posted on 01/28/2013 12:10:13 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: haffast; 444Flyer

I imagine Bammy is arrogant enough to think he can divide Jerusalem.

He won three political contests straight. Should not have won the fourth, but he did.

Somebody is helping him. The prince of this world I do believe.


39 posted on 01/28/2013 12:31:23 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: G Larry
I was trying to neutral in the statement and address solely who actually started the 1967 "Six Day War". The plain fact is, any justifications aside, Israel started the war. But since you raise the issue, no nation is above criticism, not even Israel.

For a different analysis of what happened I direct you to "Israel’s attack on Egypt in June ’67 was not ‘preemptive’", Foreign Policy Journal.

40 posted on 01/28/2013 1:51:36 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: F15Eagle

‘Won’t someone relieve us of....’


41 posted on 01/28/2013 2:06:45 PM PST by txhurl
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To: F15Eagle
Somebody is helping him. The prince of this world I do believe.

I agree. It'll be for "Peace and Safety Security, Peace and Safety Security"

September 23, 2009
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
TO THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY
United Nations Headquarters
New York, New York

snip

"Upon taking office, I appointed a Special Envoy for Middle East Peace, and America has worked steadily and aggressively to advance the cause of two states -- Israel and Palestine -- in which peace and security take root, and the rights of both Israelis and Palestinians are respected. "

snip

I will also continue to seek a just and lasting peace between Israel, Palestine, and the Arab world. (Applause.) We will continue to work on that issue. Yesterday, I had a constructive meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Abbas. We have made some progress. Palestinians have strengthened their efforts on security. Israelis have facilitated greater freedom of movement for the Palestinians. As a result of these efforts on both sides, the economy in the West Bank has begun to grow. But more progress is needed. We continue to call on Palestinians to end incitement against Israel, and we continue to emphasize that America does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. (Applause.)

The time has come -- the time has come to re-launch negotiations without preconditions that address the permanent status issues: security for Israelis and Palestinians, borders, refugees, and Jerusalem. And the goal is clear: Two states living side by side in peace and security -- a Jewish state of Israel, with true security for all Israelis; and a viable, independent Palestinian state with contiguous territory that ends the occupation that began in 1967, and realizes the potential of the Palestinian people. (Applause.)

snip

"Together, we must build new coalitions that bridge old divides -- coalitions of different faiths and creeds; of north and south, east, west, black, white, and brown."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-the-United-Nations-General-Assembly

About min 2:40 and 7:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQoyFcaZOC8#!

Peace and Safety Security
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnacb_ao3hc

42 posted on 01/28/2013 2:30:40 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Petrosius

After reading up on it a bit, I believe the Israeli account that Jordan, Egypt and Syria all were escalating to go to war with Israel, and Israel got the first punch in.


43 posted on 01/28/2013 2:48:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

Jerusalem will be divided on September 23, 2015.

http://unsealedprophecy.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/prophecy_v4-3-4h.xls

Read the comments in cells C2, J11 and particularly O5 (oh-5).


44 posted on 01/28/2013 4:05:23 PM PST by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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48 posted on 01/28/2013 4:47:52 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Yehuda; Petrosius; G Larry; SJackson; MestaMachine; KC_Lion
Thanks for the ping, Yehuda. FPR is an anti-Israel, PRO-ARAB publication!

History of the People: Articulating ‘Palestine’ Despite Israeli Hasbara, by Ramzy Baroud, January 12, 2013

Truth is quite another matter!

49 posted on 01/28/2013 5:19:23 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Nachum
Obama pledges to divide Jerusalem.

Obama pledges to divide conservatives.

Obama pledges to divide Republicans.

Obama pledges to divide gunowners.

Obama pledges to divide Boy Scouts.

Obama pledges to divide Americans.

Obama pledges to divide races.

Obama pledges to divide ... [fill in the blank].

Anybody else see a pattern here???

50 posted on 01/28/2013 5:27:02 PM PST by meadsjn
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